To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

We’re aware because there trends because there are records, and statistics!

You keep saying what difference would statistics make, and then…. citing statistics!

We have no way of tracking trends on ethnicity without them.

We're already aware of patterns and trends regarding violence against women, including sexual assault. The majority of women are sexually assaulted by people they know. In the UK, they're more likely to be assaulted by their partner, the majority of which are white British.

Talking about police resources, the police are busy this weekend standing outside hotels with patriots letting off flares, wrapped in flags and trying to intimidate the occupants. IMO, their time is better spent dealing with serious issues like domestic abuse.

How would this help if they are coming by from counties that don’t report rape in the same way that we do?

I’m all for this by the way. But can’t see a way that the electorate could reasonably ask for this in a way that doesn’t get them accused of nationalism and racism.

If we had a different system we could check for serious crime prior to entry. Or if the information is not available decide whether we should allow entry.

A recent example is all Ukrainians (who were women and dc) were vetted before entry, that’s a different system to the asylum one we use now.

We're already aware of patterns and trends regarding violence against women, including sexual assault. The majority of women are sexually assaulted by people they know. In the UK, they're more likely to be assaulted by their partner, the majority of which are white British.

Talking about police resources, the police are busy this weekend standing outside hotels with patriots letting off flares, wrapped in flags and trying to intimidate the occupants. IMO, their time is better spent dealing with serious issues like domestic abuse.

A system that checks what?

A system that checks what?

A system that checks what?

The electorate can vote for a system that checks prior to entry.

If it were to be proven that certain demographics offended at a higher rate, then you don’t think that would be important regarding things like police resources?

You’re being disingenuous to think acknowledging patterns and trends makes no difference. You wouldn’t have been able to make any of the points you have without them.

If it were to be proven that certain demographics offended at a higher rate, then you don’t think that would be important regarding things like police resources?

You’re being disingenuous to think acknowledging patterns and trends makes no difference. You wouldn’t have been able to make any of the points you have without them.

I've said three times that we have detailed information on sexual assault. You were saying that we need further research in order to protect women and girls. I'm asking you how information on ethnicity would protect women and girls.

Remember the mass sexual assault in Germany on nye?

So you don’t think it’s important?

So you don’t think it’s important?

We already have statistics on sexual assault and the perpetrators of sexual assault. Half of sexual assaults are carried out by a partner or ex partner and 6 in 7 rapes are carried out by someone the survivor knows. Therefore women and girls are in danger from people they know rather than complete strangers.

Can you explain how ethnicity of the perpetrator is important additional information please?

We already have statistics on sexual assault and the perpetrators of sexual assault. Half of sexual assaults are carried out by a partner or ex partner and 6 in 7 rapes are carried out by someone the survivor knows. Therefore women and girls are in danger from people they know rather than complete strangers.

Can you explain how ethnicity of the perpetrator is important additional information please?

So to be clear, you don’t think we need accurate statistics?
In general, or just for ethnicity of perpetrators?

Like I said, we already have statistics on sexual assault. You were saying that we need more research, specifically data on ethnicity. I'm asking you for the purpose of the research.

‘There's no evidence that asylum seekers are more of a danger to women than British men, quite the opposite given how women are more likely to be abused by someone they know’

This is where we differ.

You believe that there being no evidence is proof enough.

I think research needs to be done, and then once we have statistics we can go from there, then there can be no doubt.

I really don’t understand why my view is controversial.

I’m reminded very much for the protection of women and girls.

In order to protect them, we need to understand the different demographics of which they are under threat by, and how to tackle them accordingly.

As an example, It’s like the abuse taking place in the Catholic Church.

Unless you specifically look into it, and record that abuse is occurring, someone could very easily dismiss it and say ‘there’s no evidence that abuse is occurring in the church at all higher rate than anywhere else, so no need investigate further’

You wouldn’t be able to make the points you were if we didn’t have the stats.

I’m not talking specifically about institutional abuse, I’m using it as as example against your logic.

‘If we can move away from asylum seekers for a moment and talk about VAWAG, we have one of the lowest levels of rape convictions in Europe. Our judicial system is broken and survivors are dropping out because of how long it takes to go to court amongst other concerns.
Therefore many rapists in the UK don't have convictions and rape has in effect become legal.’

‘The men arrested for rape haven't been prosecuted. I believe in innocent until proven guilty which applies to everyone, irrespective of ethnicity or religion.’

I can’t take you in good faith when you understand the issue so well in point 1, but have forgotten it by point 2

We already have statistics on violence against women. Half of sexual assaults are carried out by a partner or ex partner and 6 in 7 rapes are carried out by someone the survivor knows. Therefore women and girls are in danger from people they know rather than complete strangers. Stranger assault is rare.

You've now moved on to institutional abuse which has nothing to do with the thread.

Could you clarify what statistics on ethnicity would do? For example, should all Afghan men be tagged if they're found to commit assaults? Does this apply to all demographics found culpable of sexual assault or just foreigners?