To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

And I thought I was cynical 😁 (Poor grammar, I know.

I don't think any government will be able to stop irregular or illegal immigration, decreasing the boat crossings by humanitarian means would be a step in the right direction.

I am not sure I understand what kind of system you would like. One that only admits women and children?

This.

I wasn't the one arguing that they do, i said "let's say we agree..." and then took that idea to its logical conclusion

I’m sure they would tell you

Do they? The men in my life don’t.

Ok, let's say we all agree that all men are essentially the same but they become more predatory and more dangerous when they leave their home country.

If we agree on that, it must also be true that allowing foreign men to come to the UK endangers women and children in the UK.

Absolutely.

I don’t think you’d ever increase it enough to lower the crossings because however many you set up more would use international law to do so.

Going back to pp I’d say there’s easily 30k women and girls who are experiencing severe harm or potentially worse from violent men.

It shouldn’t be beyond us to change the system so each time refuge is given it’s for this, not for someone who has committed the crimes we have seen.

I said this in my post but they'd do the to any girl, no matter what ethnicity or culture. It's male othering.

However, when the situation is reversed, and white European males travel to Asian or African countries, well we all know what tends to happen all too often. They too leer and oggle or worse, so there is racist element to it too when males are outside of their cultural surroundings they seem to act in a more predatory way less inhibited by cultural norms and expectations.

@Lordnelsonsumbrella Cars of white men also do exactly that. Ask any female uni student.

White European men can be sexist nasty pricks, obviously. But male immigrants from muslim countries were raised in strict cultures where women cover up and unrelated males and females are largely segregated. When they visit Europe, some young men from these traditional patriarchal cultures treat white European women as sex objects, leering ogling etc. Of course white European men do this too but they'd do it to any girl regardless, whereas the men OP is talking about tend to only to this with white girls or girls wearing western clothes.

Yesterday I say a young woman at the bus stop who wore tight shorts and a low cut top and a car with four men of Middle Eastern appearance drove past, they all stuck their heads out overtly leering at the girl, pretty disgusting and intimidating.

Basically, there is a racist element to it in that those men from Middle Eastern and North African cultures who do leer or worse do it mostly with western looking women, either white or wearing western clothes.

White men who leer don't tend to differentiate in the same way as they are sexist pigs towards women from any culture or ethnicity. Unfortunately white European girls and women are seen by some from traditional middle eastern and North African backgrounds as 'easy' and asking for it so they approach them in a sexually predatory way.

Yes, sadly human trafficking is very lucrative business model.

International co-operation is needed and the UK needs to offer/increase schemes that stops the small boat crossing.

No.

I’d start with the problem I want to address. I was struck by an awful story from Sudan where a mother told her daughters to run so she could suffer what the violent men were wanting to do instead.

If there are say 30k people given refuge then I’d design a system that identifies that woman and her DDs and give them refuge here.

What we have now isn’t working, not for anyone really bar the huge profit makers, and industry that surrounds it all.

I said ‘anything less than’.

Why would people want to flee completely democratic countries?

It was negotiated by Trump, not Biden.

Of course men of any ethnicity and culture are a danger to girls and women

Groups of young men with nothing do do are always a problem

when you also have in the mix trauma, disregard for authorities, sexist opinions of western women you have issued that can’t be ignored

not everyone risking the crossings have the same need for support in this country

this isn’t just an issue here what is happening across Europe and the kick back from locals and now also governments is showing that this is an issue that governments just can’t seem to manage to control unless they come down extremely hard

im not sue what the solution is but it’s not working now

So you are in favour of stopping all immigration? From all countries?

The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.

Yes and the actual implementation happened under Biden - it had become his decision:

"The Biden administration's final decision in April 2021 was to begin the withdrawal on 1 May 2021, but the final pull-out of all US troops was delayed until September 2021, triggering the start of the collapse of the ANSF.[9] This collapse led to the Taliban takeover of Kabul on 15 August 2021."

Yes. I don't care whether they're legal or illegal migrants when they're doing the things I described in my earlier post. The distinction doesn’t matter to a father who is fighting off a migrant who is trying to abduct his 10 year old daughter or to a woman who is being sexually assaulted in the street on her way to work in the morning.

Would that be because most men here are white?