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To think women who say “I’m just one of the lads” secretly crave male approval?

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TheFluentCrow · 08/08/2025 09:31

I always hear women saying this as though it’s a badge of honour. But isn’t it really just about wanting validation from men and distancing themselves from other women?

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5128gap · 08/08/2025 13:44

stayathomer · 08/08/2025 13:14

some women are more ‘one of the lads’ though, they’re into similar things, have the same sense of humour as the group they’ve found etc. The fact that this thread is mostly giving digs at them isn’t exactly showing some women as being the approachable group is it?

Why do you think women should go out of their way to be 'the approachable group' to women who prejudge them as 'bitchy' 'clicky' (sic) 'two faced', only interested in gossip, spa days and grooming, simply on the basis of their sex? Why is the onus on women to prove the prejudice wrong and win the women who don't like other women over? Personally, if a woman has decided that I'm not good enough for her by comparison with a man on the basis of a bunch of traits she's projected on to me, then the last thing I'm going to do is try to befriend her. There's plenty of women (men too) who wont dislike me because of my sex, so they'll get my time, and the 'I don't like other women' women won't. (And then they complain some more that 'women are mean and don't like me'.)

Notsosure1 · 08/08/2025 13:39

I had a distinct ‘advantage’ in being able to interact comfortably with boys and men in the fact I grew up with a domineering older brother who forced me to watch male-oriented tv shows and films from a young age as well as video games, things my female peers weren’t forced into introduced to so were weirded out or just not interested in them. I didn’t like them all but it certainly shaped that side of my interests and being able to see certain things from a male perspective and be used to (not accept) certain grim traits.

bumbaloo · 08/08/2025 13:38

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 08/08/2025 09:43

Men are much easier to get on with, they are much more easygoing and simple. I have many male and female friends. You're overthinking it.

I don’t think it’s so much about women who have male friends. It’s more woken who make it a massive part of their personality.

‘I’m just one if the lads’
’I get on better with men’

and that kind of thing. These things don’t need announcing

Whiningatwine · 08/08/2025 13:37

Muffsies · 08/08/2025 13:25

What do you mean by cross the boundaries? Surely its fine to have male friends?

If you're talking about women who like flirting with attached men, that's a whole different thing.

I'm talking about the couple who sit on laps, grab bums, talk about their sexploites to titillate. And then when told it's not appropriate retreat back to it's fine because they don't mean anything by it. I was, very clear in the post that it isn't all the women, but a couple who behave in a way that they know crosses a line and then when challenged retreat to "I'm just one of the guys, they can possibly see ME like that"

Thingyfanding · 08/08/2025 13:32

I think saying ‘I’m one of the lads’ is a bit odd - reminds me of Sara Cox necking pints. But I do understand women who are more comfortable around men. I’ve always had male friends, gay and straight.
I have many female friends too but find I often get along better with their husbands (some but not all) my hobbies and interests are more typically enjoyed by men, too. I really can’t help that - definitely not intentional and it’s been that way since I was child.
All the weddings I’ve been to in the last few years have been for my male friends and their wives didn’t seem to have an issue with me - I’ve thorough enjoyed seeing my dearest friends happily married - it’s beautiful! but I know my place and definitely conscious that I need to be respectful.
I even have a bit of a male gait and although I’m feminine in looks and dress, there is a masculine side that comes through that I can’t suppress.

cosietea · 08/08/2025 13:30

I am someone who has historically said ‘ women don’t like me” and it’s not through lack of trying over the years. I have just never been successful in maintaining or developing new friendships with woman and I honestly don’t know the reason. I have done much soul searching and consider myself self- reflecting and not ignorant to any flaws, but still I have no close female friends and sit on the periphery of any females I do know.

When I was late teens/20’s I socialised with a large group of mixed sex. I found myself having more in common, in terms of hobbies, music, opinion etc with the men in the group so naturally had more conversations ( all single so no misunderstanding from any girlfriends) but the woman in the group didn’t like that and would have probably called me a ‘ pick me’ if that term existed

I made effort with the girls in the group and organised many girl only evenings round mine or weekends away but it never amounted to long term friendship

there have been other occasions over a the years that I have tried to mix in with women, especially when I had children and all the baby groups were female dominant

I work in a male industry and mix with 90% men all day and holistically speaking I do find them more direct, less nuance and very clear communication. I have, by contrast found some women to be dishonest, indirect and judgmental. This is my lives experience for the last 30 years and I have no idea why.

I long for the relationships with females that so many people have. I am an only child and don’t have sisters, or aunts or cousins so my world can feel small sometimes

Mustbethat · 08/08/2025 13:25

boils down to stereotypes again doesn’t it.

Women are bitches
men are simple creatures

”one of the lads” is a female who enjoys “male” hobbies like football and beer.

many women don’t fit the shopping, wine, and gossip stereotype. I don’t enjoy it at all. I don’t wear make up, like science and sport.

i tend not to enjoy “girl’ nights” because that’s not what I like. I don’t overly engage with women at work because topics of conversation are almost exclusively their diet, kids, and where to get lip filler and Botox. I don’t need to be that person who calls them out for their “boys are simple, girls are bitchy” gender crap. I can do that here 😂

i prefer to chat to my male colleagues, just general chit chat, but no concern about calories is the main thing.

it’s not about my friends sex, except it is when they choose to adhere to stereotypes and restrict their interests accordingly.

Muffsies · 08/08/2025 13:25

Whiningatwine · 08/08/2025 09:45

Yes, I know quite a few. My partner plays a sports where the club is 50:50 male/female. There's a couple of the women who cross all reasonable boundaries with the men and get quite huffy when the wives or girlfriends call them out. Apparently we're uptight and don't understand they're just one of the guys.

What do you mean by cross the boundaries? Surely its fine to have male friends?

If you're talking about women who like flirting with attached men, that's a whole different thing.

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 08/08/2025 13:22

Thepeopleversuswork · 08/08/2025 12:14

I would draw a hard distinction between two types of women in this category.

Some women authentically gravitate towards typically male hobbies and interests (football/biking/golf) and prefer to talk about these things and build their social life around things where they will be on common ground. I know a woman who is a life-long, die-hard football supporter and spends every other weekend travelling to Manchester to support her favourite club. She is passionate about it and doesn't get that level of passion from 99.9% of the women she knows so a lot of her social life revolves around being with men. She's also happily married (to a man) with two kids and has good female friendships.

But there is definitely a category of "one of the blokes" girls who are basically "cool girls". I've known dozens of women like this over the years (and I've been guilty of this a bit myself in low periods) and it invariably is associated with low self-esteem and the belief that you won't be accepted and loved if you say what you actually want, so you go along with things which you think will make your male company "happy" in a superficial way: drinking lots of pints at the pub, cheering along with the football, dissing "girly" pursuits and making a clown of yourself in order to be accepted (and ultimately in the false belief that you're more likely to find a boyfriend by acting like this).

I cringe when any woman describes herself as "one of the lads". It tends to make me think they are in the latter category and I feel slightly embarrassed for them. If you genuinely are "one of the lads" you wouldn't need to advertise it.

This sums it up perfectly.

Be friends with whoever, have whatever interests, talk about whatever, do whatever you like - if you are just getting on with your life the way that suits you, this thread is not about you.

If you feel the need to announce that you're "one of the boys" or don't get along with any women, with some reductionist sexist stereotypes to boot, this thread is about you and you're being a pick-me.

5128gap · 08/08/2025 13:20

Isxmasoveryet · 08/08/2025 13:08

Or just really fed up with bitchy clicky women lol men are way more laid back and easier to get on with and won't slag u off behind your back while being nice to your face like women do

Edited

That's exceptionally naive of you.

Catsandcannedbeans · 08/08/2025 13:17

To be honest, men will never ever see a woman as one of the boys, but women will bend over backwards and throw other women under the bus to delude themselves they are. To me any woman who says that is a red flag and is probably extremely male centred - which at best case is annoying and in worst case means she’s an enabler. Theres women who have a lot of male friends, and I don’t think that’s a bad thing, the issue comes from them actually believing they are one of the boys and declaring it.

There’s no straight man who’s one of the girls either. I have a lot of gay friends and they’re not “one of the girls”, but they’re about as close as a man can get. They also don’t want to be one of the girls and they don’t claim to be.

HeadNorth · 08/08/2025 13:15

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 08/08/2025 12:10

Have you been in a school playground, because I can assure you it is very much like this. Give me school dads any day!

Yes, I've been in a school playground. That isn't where I found my female friends, but I always found the other school mums perfectly pleasant to chat to and arrange play dates with when my children were at primary school.

Maybe you brought the gossiping and drama to the playground? If you find every single woman you have ever met gossipy and dramatic, then it stands to reason that you are the common denominator.

stayathomer · 08/08/2025 13:14

some women are more ‘one of the lads’ though, they’re into similar things, have the same sense of humour as the group they’ve found etc. The fact that this thread is mostly giving digs at them isn’t exactly showing some women as being the approachable group is it?

Juststop2025 · 08/08/2025 13:12

notatinydancer · 08/08/2025 13:10

I certainly don’t think I’m very special and I’ve got lots of women friends.

That's nice for you? Not sure why you're telling me this when I was very clearly responding to the OPs question.

PinedApple · 08/08/2025 13:10

TheFluentCrow · 08/08/2025 09:50

Exactly, that’s often the vibe. The ‘one of the lads’ label can sometimes act like a humblebrag that positions you as different (read: better) than other women. It’s not always conscious but it can reek of pick me energy when it’s about male approval rather than genuine connection.

In the same vein as ‘not like other girls’. Classic cool girl rhetoric

notatinydancer · 08/08/2025 13:10

Juststop2025 · 08/08/2025 13:08

They're vErY sPeCiAl unlike all the other women. Oh and they aren't friends with other women, for some reason they just never click with women only, men 😂😅They're as transparent as a pane of glass.

I certainly don’t think I’m very special and I’ve got lots of women friends.

xSideshowAuntSallyXx · 08/08/2025 13:10

HeadNorth · 08/08/2025 11:19

I feel a bit sorry for women that don't like other women so don't have any close female friends. My female friends are wonderful and at times have been literal life-savers. Women can be so fabulous, so it is sad not to be able to see that and benefit from the life-enhancing richness of long-term female friendship. Their loss, I suppose.

When my marriage fell apart, it was my male friends who picked me up and helped me get through it by keeping me occupied and distracting me. Calling me up to get me out of the house, making sure I was okay when I was suffering with depression.

A lot of my female friends disappeared, or took my ex's side (even ones I had known longer than him). I can count on one hand the female friends who have stuck around.

My female friendships have never recovered. My male friendships are still going strong and still message/see me regularly.

notatinydancer · 08/08/2025 13:09

Don’t agree. One of my best friends is male.
I certainly don’t think I’m better than other women because I’ve got male friends.
I used to work in a very male environment, never had a problem with wives or girlfriends ( that anyone told me).

Juststop2025 · 08/08/2025 13:08

They're vErY sPeCiAl unlike all the other women. Oh and they aren't friends with other women, for some reason they just never click with women only, men 😂😅They're as transparent as a pane of glass.

PurpleChrayn · 08/08/2025 13:08

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 08/08/2025 09:43

Men are much easier to get on with, they are much more easygoing and simple. I have many male and female friends. You're overthinking it.

I found the “pick me”!!

Isxmasoveryet · 08/08/2025 13:08

Or just really fed up with bitchy clicky women lol men are way more laid back and easier to get on with and won't slag u off behind your back while being nice to your face like women do

NeverDropYourMooncup · 08/08/2025 13:06

After an entire childhood spent being bullied by girls because they didn't like me for various reasons including;

I didn't have a fringe
My hair wasn't long enough
I didn't have sparkly hair bands
I didn't have the right colour shoes
I didn't have little slip on shoes
I liked riding my bike
I liked climbing trees
I liked motorbikes
I liked helping my brother fix his motorbike
I didn't want spiders or moths killed
I would rescue spiders and moths before a bunch of screaming girls got some boy to kill them
I wore jeans and trainers that didn't sparkle
I didn't have any pink clothes
I was good at maths and science
I watched 'weird things' on TV and knew far too much about Marvel and DC characters when everybody knew that those things were for boys.
I liked 'boy music' (rock, metal, etc) and didn't have a favourite out of manufactured boy band A or manufactured boy band B because I thought they were both pretty shit
I played bass in a band without at least one other female there at all times to ensure I wasn't fucking the lead guitarist or singer at any given moment
I liked computers
I liked films like The Terminator and Robocop, war films and cartoons
I wasn't interested in having a boyfriend but liked spending time with people who liked the same things I did

and hundreds of other ways I failed to perform femininity properly, I didn't and still don't really give a shit whether they think I'm still trying to impress the boys or not.

Notsosure1 · 08/08/2025 12:56

ChangeLooRoll · 08/08/2025 12:19

I’m torn on this because what you’re describing used to be me and I do cringe a bit looking back but I think it’s more complex than that.

I was diagnosed autistic as an adult and my whole life I’ve struggled with maintaining friendships. I have always had a sense that I’m not understanding social rules and even though I can feel people’s reactions to me shift, I cannot tell why.

Genuinely, this does seem to happen more with women. For a long time I would have said that in a judgemental way (women are more bitchy etc.) but I was being unfair.

I read a theory that when it comes to emotional complexity / intelligence / sophistication of social rules, autistic men tend to be at the bottom. Then above that you have neurotypical men tied with autistic women and then above them all neurotypical women.

I would agree with this. I don’t think it was ever that the women I met were bitchy or nasty. I think it’s that the social rules were more complex and it was easier to accidentally offend or do something I wasn’t “supposed” to do.

I sometimes had mixed friendship groups but for some reason they’d involve men’s and women doing things separately. The women would go and get their nails done and the men would play board games. I’d join the men because my interests aligned more with theirs. Then over time the women would dislike me and I felt it was unfair.

Looking back, had I sometimes gone to get my nails done and made an effort to show I wanted to be friends then they likely wouldn’t have cared that I sometimes wanted to do the male activity. It genuinely didn’t occur to me that the reason they disliked me was because I didn’t make an effort. I thought they disliked me and judged me because I didn’t share their interests. I resented that the group was even split in this way.

I had a bit of an epiphany when I realised that the men I thought were friends would get drunk and make flirty comments. They invited me to stuff like I was one of them but they didn’t care about me as a person in the way they did their male friends. I also found that when I put on weight a lot of them became less interested in being my friend which didn’t really align with my idea that we just liked each other as people.

I have done a bit of a 180 in that I no longer feel interested in pursuing friendships with men. I do think the very few times I have had female friendships they were more meaningful. I want to find friends who are women but even now - slightly more enlightened - I do find it harder.

With men, if I chatted for a bit and shared their interest I’d very quickly become part of the group that got invited next time.

With women it feels like even when we’ve spent a lot of time together and know a lot about each other, they see still me as an acquaintance and I struggle to get to a point where I’m in a friendship group or even someone who they see as a friend. When I do meet a woman and we click, often they’ll become distant and I don’t know why. Or I’ll think we’re closer than we are.

I actually think men can be just as bitchy and gossipy but with women the etiquette and friendship rules are more subtle and intricate.

So yes I have been a “pick me” in the sense that out of insecurity I have neglected to make an effort with women and have unfairly made assumptions about them. I can see why it came across like I thought I was better than them. But it genuinely wasn’t about getting male validation and trying to shag everyone’s husbands.

This resonates with me, particularly feeling like you’re missing invisible, unspoken social cues and men and women dividing in group settings. One that stands out is my ex bf taking me to a house warming and the men were in the kitchen/lounge, drinking and chatting and the women were holed up in the small front room with wedding magazines, discussing the woman who was engaged to exbf’s friend’s, forthcoming marriage. I didn’t know any of the other women whereas I’d met quite a few of the men and hung out socially with them and I just felt a mixture of awkwardness pretending to give two shits about a wedding I had no interest in (tbf, none interested me) making conversation with strangers who mainly knew each other and were friends - and resentment that we had been segregated in such an obvious way for the whole evening.

-And we had only had 2 bottles of wine to share between us all bloody night!
(which admittedly I was probably more pissed off about)

Ohhilois · 08/08/2025 12:55

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 08/08/2025 09:43

Men are much easier to get on with, they are much more easygoing and simple. I have many male and female friends. You're overthinking it.

I used to have a lot of male friends.

Then, I found out, through conversations as we got older that they were only mates with me in the beginning as they wanted to shag me. As we got older and people divorced or got bored, some were still just in it in the hope of a shag.

I just tolerate men now.

Thepeopleversuswork · 08/08/2025 12:54

@Whynotjustengageyourbrain

So I'm a full on girly girl, but have lots of male friends, what does that make me? I would never watch football.

I also have loads of male friends but would not watch football in a million years.
Most of us are somewhere along this "gender stereotype" spectrum and the categorisations are largely artificial and aren't helpful. People should do what they want.

This is a slightly separate point: there is definitely a syndrome of women calling themselves "one of the lads" in a self-conscious way. I've observed this many times in women and it almost always turns out to be driven by a desire to get close to a particular "lad" within a group by ingratiating herself with the friendship group.