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3kiddosandme · 08/08/2025 09:21

At this point im thinking my landlord is just a spiteful dickhead, I'll go into as much detail as possible here.
Earlier this year I was sent a section 21 notice out of nowhere, I questioned this and the landlord said because of significant damages to the property I have to leave. Now I have evidence that these significant damages are not my fault, I had the environmental health in because I was fed up of living in a shit hole basically, the whole house needs ripping out and fixing including floorboards and external doors according to the local council who did the inspection, the landlord also has to take up an asbestos survey due to damaged ceiling in the hallway.
I have 3 kids I the house, one is additional needs. I was offered a house by a housing association and I accepted, im yet to get the keys but the house was on major repair, I said this to the current landlord who said they were happy to let me wait it out, no repairs have done either by the current landlord as per the council report. They took me to court to evict me even though theyd said I could stay until my house was ready, ive never been behind on rent always paid in full and on time, a week ago the landlord turned up completely unannounced banging on the door I opened the door and I was told I should've moved out by now as the court stated the 25th july, I told them to get a warrant for eviction and come back with bailiffs, as of yet I haven't heard anything from the bailiffs. I emailed expressing that they didnt give any notice and they turned up with keys to let themselves in and since I haven't returned keys or made them aware that ive moved it was completely unacceptable. They stated that they sent a letter, they never did as ive still not recieved this magic letter they apparently sent. Anyway every single day they are emailing me asking for keys to be returned and I keep telling them I will return the keys once I have moved. At this point I just think they are being absolute dickheads. I hopefully should get the keys to the new property today.
Wibu to move and then throw they keys into their office in an envelope and leave without saying a word.

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DrPrunesqualer · 08/08/2025 21:05

spoonbillstretford · 08/08/2025 20:27

But very little power.

They have legal rights and a procedure to follow
The LLs next step is yo go back to the courts ( not in person ) for an eviction order and right to use bailiffs.

OP should be prepared for a two week notice

Some areas have long wait times for this to happen.

DrPrunesqualer · 08/08/2025 21:01

messybutfun · 08/08/2025 20:10

Under the ‘revenge eviction’ rules I believe you cannot serve a valid Section 21 notice if there is an improvement notice from the council in force.

Yet it’s been approved and passed already.

Clearly the judge, in this case, doesn’t agree

DrPrunesqualer · 08/08/2025 20:57

PencilsInSpace · 08/08/2025 20:41

No the landlord does not have recourse to a S21 if environmental health have issued a notice. I'm surprised the court did not flag this as a retaliatory eviction. It should have invalidated the S21.

Wherever possible repairs should be carried out without the tenant having to leave. It's very often possible to seal off a small area and safely remove asbestos while still allowing access to the rest of the property. In any case it wouldn't take longer than a couple of days.

If there is subsidence then some trees may need to be removed or other causes dealt with, followed by a very long period of crack monitoring before anything like underpinning is considered. Usually it's not necessary but if it was then she would need to vacate for a couple of weeks.

It's not reasonable or legal to evict in these circumstances.

Technically you are correct that the LL does not have to provide alternative accommodation although LL insurance will often cover the cost for a hotel or B&B in these circumstances. However, where the LL has failed to meet his obligations for repairs, as in OP's case, the tenant can pursue a claim for damages to recover the cost of alternative accommodation.

S21 is passed if all procedures have been adhered to. Therefore, given the protections already in place for tenants, all procedures must have been agreed as correct

A landlord would be stupid to remove asbestos with tenants in place. No insurance company for landlords would agree to this. No tenants either should want to be in such a dangerous environment. Asbestosis down the line 20/30 years and they’ll be taking the landlord to court.

Subsidence is another potential issue that is dangerous enough to warrant work done without tenants in place. A landlord would be putting tenants in possible danger every day if he is aware of it. With asbestos present anyway it’s irrelevant

S21 is a no fault eviction. Landlords can take their property back without reason. Judges do often ask why though even though the reason is irrelevant. maintenance and repair is a normal reason. ( with most it’s to sell )

If OP wants to claim for damages she can do this. Not, however, now the end of the s21 period has passed.

PencilsInSpace · 08/08/2025 20:41

DrPrunesqualer · 08/08/2025 19:09

I agree that is alternative
However you are assuming that the landlord has an alternative empty property

He is also under no obligation to do this either
His only recourse given the potential for asbestos and it looks like movement ( possibly underpinning needed ) is to issue a s21. He could, of course, have offered that the tenant would get first dibs when the property is completed. He is under no obligation to do this either of course

What he shouldn’t be going is hassling the tenant now
If he wants the property back he needs to action an eviction process

No the landlord does not have recourse to a S21 if environmental health have issued a notice. I'm surprised the court did not flag this as a retaliatory eviction. It should have invalidated the S21.

Wherever possible repairs should be carried out without the tenant having to leave. It's very often possible to seal off a small area and safely remove asbestos while still allowing access to the rest of the property. In any case it wouldn't take longer than a couple of days.

If there is subsidence then some trees may need to be removed or other causes dealt with, followed by a very long period of crack monitoring before anything like underpinning is considered. Usually it's not necessary but if it was then she would need to vacate for a couple of weeks.

It's not reasonable or legal to evict in these circumstances.

Technically you are correct that the LL does not have to provide alternative accommodation although LL insurance will often cover the cost for a hotel or B&B in these circumstances. However, where the LL has failed to meet his obligations for repairs, as in OP's case, the tenant can pursue a claim for damages to recover the cost of alternative accommodation.

spoonbillstretford · 08/08/2025 20:27

DrPrunesqualer · 08/08/2025 12:28

None of your comments solve anything
The landlord has a legal right.

But very little power.

messybutfun · 08/08/2025 20:10

DrPrunesqualer · 08/08/2025 19:01

Courts always grant s21 as long as procedure is followed. That’s legal procedure and has nothing to do with the condition of a property

Under the ‘revenge eviction’ rules I believe you cannot serve a valid Section 21 notice if there is an improvement notice from the council in force.

pokewoman · 08/08/2025 20:04

AlertCat · 08/08/2025 20:00

@pokewoman sounds exactly like my area. The number of people living in vans has increased probably 50-fold in the last 10 years or so.

If it wasn't for my children, id absolutely be doing the van thing! I contacted an agency about a property this morning...they had to give me a second email address to email for the application form to view it (yep, form with all our income details on etc just to view it!) Because their primary email inbox had been filled by people enquiring about it. Its insane.

AlertCat · 08/08/2025 20:00

@pokewoman sounds exactly like my area. The number of people living in vans has increased probably 50-fold in the last 10 years or so.

Housechallenge · 08/08/2025 19:47

Frequency · 08/08/2025 16:46

Do you need a bigger spade @ByMerryDeer ?

I think they are doing it on purpose.

pokewoman · 08/08/2025 19:45

We will be in a smiliar situation. We have received a s21 no fault eviction because I believe the landlord is selling up. We have until February, but I can almost guarantee we will be staying until the bailiffs come whether the landlord likes it or not. We are looking multiple times a day and applying for every single appropriate home that comes on the rental market. But we literally have to APPLY via a form just to be in with a chance of viewing a house. There are 70 or more people looking at each (rare!) House that comes in the market, so while we would ideally ly want to move ASAP (as our house is also very poor, not our fault!), we are likely ended up going down the council route. If we leave the house before bailiffs literally come, we would have made ourselves 'intentionally homeless' and the council would not help. Staying there until the last minute is literally what you HAVE to do if you need help getting a new home...

And no, we dont rely on benefits. My husband works full time, and we are still struggling to find a private rental.

DrPrunesqualer · 08/08/2025 19:09

PencilsInSpace · 08/08/2025 13:15

In that case the correct procedure is for the landlord to provide alternative accommodation for the tenant while the asbestos is being removed, not to start a revenge eviction and then harass the tenant while she still has a legal right to remain in the property.

Congratulations on your new home @3kiddosandme and I hope you get in there very soon.

I agree that is alternative
However you are assuming that the landlord has an alternative empty property

He is also under no obligation to do this either
His only recourse given the potential for asbestos and it looks like movement ( possibly underpinning needed ) is to issue a s21. He could, of course, have offered that the tenant would get first dibs when the property is completed. He is under no obligation to do this either of course

What he shouldn’t be going is hassling the tenant now
If he wants the property back he needs to action an eviction process

3kiddosandme · 08/08/2025 19:07

So ive been in touch with the lettings officer from the housing association this afternoon, he believes that the final inspection has been done for the property that im waiting for this morning or afternoon as contractors have now said theyve finished, however the relevant person he needs to speak to had gone home for the weekend by the time i spoke to him, hes told me that he expects it to be ready to let monday morning and will be chasing it first thing, so fingers crossed that on monday I will have the keys to the new house

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Iwanttoliveonamountain · 08/08/2025 19:07

ARichtGoodDram · 08/08/2025 16:38

It is absolutely bonkers. but who benefits? not the landlord nor the tenants.
It wont change - the legal system have got it all tied up - costing £1,000s

Councils benefit. They get more time before the are required to house to the folks who end up with them.

They also end up not having to house some people that they should because they class anyone who is bullied or intimidated into leaving as being intentionally homeless.

They also benefit (sometimes briefly) when people end up taking a property they can't afford or one from a scum slum landlord just to escape the uncertainty.

It's a ridiculous system.

I still blame the legal set up - its cumbersome, deliberately confusing and intentionally requires a £300 per hour solicitor. And the same people benefit when the new system comes in.

DrPrunesqualer · 08/08/2025 19:01

messybutfun · 08/08/2025 13:47

Courts don’t normally grant an eviction order if a house is in such disrepair that even the council has issued a notice to the landlord.

Courts always grant s21 as long as procedure is followed. That’s legal procedure and has nothing to do with the condition of a property

DrPrunesqualer · 08/08/2025 18:57

They can’t immediately instruct bayliffs without it going back to court

I would imagine you haven’t heard anything further OP because there are long wait times in most areas for these cases
However
When the landlord gets permission for an eviction you will be given two weeks to move by the bayliffs.

Im afraid there’s nothing you can do about that

Suggest you get a solicitor to write to your landlord in the meantime with a cease and desist letter to put a stop to his harassment

AnonymousBleep · 08/08/2025 18:25

ByMerryDeer · 08/08/2025 16:33

Or something less dramatic like renting somewhere else.

Because affordable housing when you're a single mum of three kids is so easily come by. Which is presumably why she put up with the slum property as long as she did.

I know though - she's just being lazy not being on a £200K salary like the right sort of hard-working MNers.

Canonlythinkofthisone · 08/08/2025 17:48

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 08/08/2025 10:51

this is the reason so many landlords are selling up. Staying for bailiffs is absolutely unreasonable,

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Not when its the only way the council will house you it isn't. Shelter advise to remain for bailiff action.

Hoardasauruskaren · 08/08/2025 17:19

DysgraphiaQueen · 08/08/2025 12:04

No the dim person is living in a shitty rental for years, that is due to be condemned and not doing fuck all about it until the landlord takes them to court.

Get some self-respect and be accountable for your own actions, face up to the responsibility for your family and move well before then. Wailing and moaning your being kicked out of a shit hole and leaving everything until you get evicted is dim as you put it.

At least i take responsibility for my actions and have clawed my way out of shitty living and took some personal responsibility blamed no one else for my failures and have done rather well then you.

Too may people expect the government, landlords and others to pick up their crap and look after them.

What a nasty response! Are you always this horrible? Ops LL only evicted her after she reported him to environmental health & he has to carry out repairs to the property. She has managed to get social housing so has not just been sitting moaning & not doing anything! It’s not always just as easy as finding a new rental & moving! Maybe theres been nothing suitable in her area that she can afford? Has kids in school & a job that means she can’t just relocate miles away?

OP hope you got your keys today or get them asap & enjoy your new home with no slum landlord to deal with!

Jom222 · 08/08/2025 16:57

DysgraphiaQueen · 08/08/2025 12:04

No the dim person is living in a shitty rental for years, that is due to be condemned and not doing fuck all about it until the landlord takes them to court.

Get some self-respect and be accountable for your own actions, face up to the responsibility for your family and move well before then. Wailing and moaning your being kicked out of a shit hole and leaving everything until you get evicted is dim as you put it.

At least i take responsibility for my actions and have clawed my way out of shitty living and took some personal responsibility blamed no one else for my failures and have done rather well then you.

Too may people expect the government, landlords and others to pick up their crap and look after them.

what a hateful nasty string of replies you've made. Do you kick puppies as a hobby?

ARichtGoodDram · 08/08/2025 16:52

And the biggest issue is landlords like the OP's

Regardless of the OP's decision to go through the full process of legal eviction he has no right to turn up banging on the door. No right to let themselves in with keys.

And has no right to be renting out a property in such a poor state of repair as the photos the OP posted.

Shitty landlords like that cause problems for everyone, and diversions onto the rights and wrongs of the eviction process end up taking attention away from the issues with slum landlords.

ARichtGoodDram · 08/08/2025 16:50

Yes it came off bad, I meant irresponsible people you can’t trust to fulfill their side of obligations. I wouldn’t class myself as a private landlord really, it was just one flat when working abroad in different places for years at a time.

You were private landlord if you rented a property. People not considering themselves actual landlords is actually a huge part of the issue with rentals.

Irresponsible people come from all walks of lives, and actually people on benefits long term (for reason of being unable to work due to disability or caring responsibilities for example) are often a better bet as tenants because their situation is less likely to change than someone who gets sacked from work or gets made redundant.

Only tenant I've ever had to evict was the highest earning tenant I've ever had.

AlertCat · 08/08/2025 16:49

@ByMerryDeer you suggest OP “just rents somewhere else”
as per my pp that isn’t always a simple or affordable option for anyone.

I didn’t rent to those types of people

I’m almost lost for words here. All sorts of people can end up qualifying for social housing. Everyone I know who’s got HA or council homes has been employed, in professional jobs with degrees. I know more homeowners with criminal convictions to be honest. What a horrible phrase to use.

Frequency · 08/08/2025 16:46

ByMerryDeer · 08/08/2025 16:44

Yes it came off bad, I meant irresponsible people you can’t trust to fulfill their side of obligations. I wouldn’t class myself as a private landlord really, it was just one flat when working abroad in different places for years at a time.

Edited

Do you need a bigger spade @ByMerryDeer ?

thebraveryofbeingoutofrange · 08/08/2025 16:45

ByMerryDeer · 08/08/2025 16:44

Yes it came off bad, I meant irresponsible people you can’t trust to fulfill their side of obligations. I wouldn’t class myself as a private landlord really, it was just one flat when working abroad in different places for years at a time.

Edited

The myriad insults from someone like you.

ByMerryDeer · 08/08/2025 16:44

Nanny0gg · 08/08/2025 16:40

'Those types'?

This is why private landlords have a bad rep

Yes it came off bad, I meant irresponsible people you can’t trust to fulfill their side of obligations. I wouldn’t class myself as a private landlord really, it was just one flat when working abroad in different places for years at a time.

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