AIBU to think that 'patriarchy chicken' isn't the whole story?

I notice it WAY more when I'm running (in skimpy running gear) and/or in the summer when I've worn crop tops, shorts etc. I hadn't really made the link before now.

Ah right, maybe you missed my question @AliceMaforethought?

I was in town the other day and there was this really odd mixed race middle-aged woman who kept barging into white women. She clearly thought she was quite something as she kept making eyes at all the men - they'd leap out of her way looking startled, poor things.

I then came onto MN and there was a peculiar thread where some bloke conjured up a mad scenario which apparently occurred in some undefined part of 'London', where he proceeded to babble on about 'misandry'. Very bizarre.

What actually did happen the other day is that two muslim women came out of a shop without looking and barged straight into me. I assumed they were just too busy talking to observe their surroundings, but maybe I was actually the victim of a racist attack. I'd probably best report it.

I realise I'm being ignored (is it because of my assumed race/sex?!) but in case anybody's interested, I do think that sexism against men also exists 💁. Does that take us any further?

Are you very attractive OP? This sounds completely ridiculous but I think women subconsciously (or maybe not) do this if they see a woman as competition. It used to happen to me all the time when I was young. Best thing to do is stand still when you see someone heading towards you and they will walk around you.

Racism to white people definitely does exist! I made the mistake of letting my daughter go to a grammar school that was quite multicultural. The blacks and Asians were so badly racist to the white girls. It was rather horrifying.

OK took me a while to catch up with the term and I do live rurally so it doesn't really come up that often but I'm assuming it's about when you are walking in opposite directions and one person needs to move out of the path of the other and generally both people move a little but some just don't move.
Yes I'd say I do observe this behaviour more often in men not moving for women, older people expecting younger people to move. I'm often quite scruffy and I think more dressed up people seem to expect scruffy people to move. But as I mentioned the most I've noticed is that adults always expect children to move including youngish toddlers who aren't that steady or my disabled son who also isn't steady. I'm sure it does happen racially as well. I always feel people should move out of the way of infirm people and otherwise everyone else should just generally move round each other. Lots of people are rude though.

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Would genuinely love to know the answer to this seeing as racism against white people doesn't exist 🙄

My mum announced that she was 'no longer going to step out of the way for men'.

I guess a lifetime of public faffing, spatial blindness and walking at a snails pace regardless of location gets a free pass 🤣

I was pissing myself. Women of my mother's demographic are truly the most blocking, barging, blindly ignoring, finding their pursuing and taking their timing of all humanity.

I actually think that "selfish dickishness chicken" has become the norm across all sectors of society. Black, white, young, middle class, working class. People seem to have been induced into a zombiefied state. Any semblance of good manners or awareness of surroundings or other people has completely evaporated. Being glued to their mobile obviously has accentuated this and digitally lobotomised them.

I have never heard of patriarchy chicken and not entirely sure I am clear on what it means here.
You say people's or women's spatial awareness is bad but also seem to be saying its being done on purpose so I'm not sure what your saying about white chicken either.

Either way as a white woman I don't really think I've experienced many people bumping into me. I do think lots of people are incredibly impatient and rude I see it all the time where my visibly disabled son gets tutted at for being in people's walking line as he's a child and seemingly should despite his disability move out of the path of any busy, important grown up.

I think most people only notice stuff that affects them to be honest. But I do wonder if it is connected to race or sex or more just that some people are very selfish.

This is an awful thread to read. So much ignorance!
I'm a white woman with a mixed race teenage daughter. I know exactly what you're talking about.

I don’t think racism against white people is really comparable unless South Africa.

And that’s not because white people are inherently awful, it’s because there doesn’t tend to be white populations in many of the countries from which people that come to the UK experience racism. You don’t have large white groups living in Pakistan, or Iran, or Northern/Sub Saharan Africa, or the Caribbean, to experience racism.

I know that there is xenophobia on an epic scale within these countries between tribal/religious groups etc so I suspect it’s not just the remit of white people.

Out of interest, what would you call black people deliberately walking into white people because of their skin colour? Or an Asian business deliberately declining to employ white people because of their skin colour? Or a white person in a majority Arabic country receiving race-themed abuse as they walk down the street because of their skin colour?

There’s often threads on MN about people who are overweight and asking can I wear X question.
Most posters say they never ever judge anyone on what they look like and wouldn’t even notice an 18 stone woman in a tiny crop top. 😏
I assume therefore that most people walk around not looking at other people, which appears to be confirmed by your post.

To people who refer to mothers letting their children take up space on the path, can you clarify what you mean by that? If a group of four people are coming past me, do they have less right if two of those people are children they've given birth to? Should they be ushering their small children out of my way? Because I've always felt it was significantly easier and safer for me to move and I can't see why this children have less right to a pavement than a group of four adults. I move for dogs too, because I'm not an asshole and I don't want someone shifting their dog into the road because I'm a lazy git

White women, if you are reading this, sit with it.

Happy to.

And if people think they aren't racist, without any work, I wonder why they think that. I'm white, raised in London. I had racist (benignly but still) parents, racist teachers (not so benign in one case), racist books, maps, resources, history. Racist people around me. If I soaked in that soup, and did no work at all, how on earth would I come out of it without a little sticking to me?

I was talking to my colleague about it yesterday. We're both in a weird stage.

You realise there's work, you do some work, you realise there's a lot more work, you do that. Then the interesting stage. You get (sometimes grudging) praise for having done some work. You enjoy the praise and feel great and like you deserve to be included in the conversation. And the work's done. Shit, that's properly dickish. More work. And trying to avoid being the kind of white person who is like one of those brocialist men wearing a 'this is what a feminist looks like' t-shirts. We're at that stage

TL:DR OP you've noticed racism chicken. I'll sit with it.

Today is the first time that I have ever heard of this ridiculous term. It’s pathetic.
Living in an inner city area where white people are the minority naturally my experience is very different from yours.
Well done for looking for non-existent problems though.

I tend to find it’s people glued to their phones that are the issue, regardless of sex / race / age

You must not have been on MN very long if you don't think you'd get similar comments on a sexism thread! You'd also be told because women have sons that it's their boys they really worry about... So much sexism out there directed at their little boys. 🤮

I'm white so I can't comment on racist "bumping" my only thoughts on that would be that women tend to fear men and racists tend to fear poc, so this is one of those occasions where it might not be the most obvious swap of sexism for racism. For example I've read black men saying white women will cross the street, leave lifts etc. but maybe that's specific to black men. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, it's not my place and if you feel that you're seeing it more, I'm sure you are. It could also be that white entitlement means we're a more generally "bumpy" group.

ETA and also that many feminist "take up space" forums are heavily white means that it's infiltrated more with white women.

I do think young people are more "bumpy" than older people, beyond the usual side of teens being reasonably self absorbed, most of them are walking on their phones now, and also have variable social skills since COVID.