AIBU to think that 'patriarchy chicken' isn't the whole story?

Do you even realise how annoyingly patronising you come across?

Omg really ? This world is fucked

I answered it on.page 2. Yes sexism against men exists.

"Letting their kids"? I'm guessing all of these kids were products of immaculate conceptions. I wonder why a woman with children trying to navigate around the busiest city in the country might be more distracted than a man.

I don't agree with you that that is what the word means. I would say that racism is a subset of prejudice, like ageism or sexism and that systemic racism is a subset of racism (important and exists, but a more specfic form).

However, even if I did agree with you, racism against white people would - by your definition - exist in countries where white people are a minority and are discriminated against at a system level because of their skin colour.

So the OP's sweeping statement would still be incorrect.

I also think it's interesting that the OP's sweeping statement suggests a very UK or West-centred outlook that they may not even be aware of.

I do also wonder if it betrays a bit of disdain, at the very least, for white people; the idea of even considering that white people as a group may be wronged in the same way as another minority, anywhere ever (and therefore also be deserving of some consideration) seems to be viscerally rejected out of hand.

You would be wrong.
Racism can be a a personal level as well as a systemic level.
Lets not rewrite racism just to make ourselves feel better.

Here is the response that you were expecting.
Having been well travelled nationally and internationally, I have found that all colours, both sexes and all genders that have people that bang/bump and barge into people of all colours, both sexes and all genders.
It can depend on where you are but being a fuckwit is not just something that affects white people.

Though I understand what you're saying, if someone treats someone like shit because of the colour of their skin, be that white, black, Asian etc, that's racism. It's really simple and completely wrong to make out like it's not as bad if it's towards white people

I would describe this as prejudice rather than racism.

Everyone can be on the receiving hand of prejudice because everyone has bias about ethnicity, religion, class, accent, looks….

Racism is much bigger issue, it’s a systemic discrimination only really felt by the minorities.

I don't find patriarchal chicken is a thing.

There is "middle aged couple holding hands and we won't let go in case the world stops turning" chicken though.

And family groups who won't go single file unless you stop and force them to do so to get by you.

Edited - and people staring at their mobile phones instead of where they're going.

Humans are primates, and social signalling of hierarchy is A THING with primates.
Ask anyone who has studied chimps or baboons.

Most of the time is is not even consciously done. Hence the startled look of someone with a "higher status" when they barge into you because you didn't move.

I recall being on Oxford St in London with DH during a very busy shopping period. It was packed.
I naturally had the skill of weaving in and out of the crowd, darting into spaces that opened up. DH was soon many meters behind me and I had to back track to where he was. He was completely incapable of navigating the pavement like I did, because his whole life he had been walking in straight lines with other people automatically moving out of his way, without him even realising.

People are rude in London, particularly since Covid, it’s like everyone forgot their manners and social etiquette.

As a white middle age woman I can’t say I ever experienced what you describe but I do believe you when you say race might play a part.
Despite being diverse, xenophobia in London is real! I’ve experienced it as a white non British person. It’s all very low level and underhanded but real!

I was about to say you should have elbowed them back but then you’d be the aggressive one…. so no wise words only sympathy.

Exactly that.

I want to know where everyone lives where diving out of the way is necessary and people are constantly bumping in to each other. It seems like bumper cars on foot! Is it really that difficult to walk down the street??

Living in London, tourists are annoying, cyclists on pavement worse, and people staring at their phones while walking is irritating. I don't really notice a massive difference in race or sex. As long as I'm walking confidently and keeping my eyes front, I avoid trouble!

My top tips for walking are: look where you're going, look for gaps, if someone is walking towards you then just move out of the way - you'll be in someone's way before long and they'll be grateful, and don't join in with stupid games! I've somehow managed to walk without being mowed down!

It changes, I'm in my 70s and young men are lovely to me. I always think they must love their granny so are nice to old ladies.

Where in London exactly was this? Different area of London have very different dynamics - some are cultural too. If you were in some parts of south London you'd get hippy dippy mummies not bothering to teach young Ptolemy his manners and letting him career all over the place. Other parts it will be white men, other parts ethnic men. Other parts large family groups from a range of white and non white backgrounds who think it is acceptable to walk 5-7 abreast if the path will accomodate it and sod anyone coming in the opposite direction.

If it was Oxford Street then the white women were probably frazzled local workers trying to run around doing errands on their lunch break.

BTW the point of patriarchy chicken is not to barge into men but to not move out of their way as they walk towards you in the middle of the pavement. It has never been possible to play patriarchy chicken on Jermyn Street as the men tend to get out of your way - very easy game to play around the Inns of Court though.

I do this with royals. I call it coronation chicken.

I don't live in London, but I'm doubtful that the average white woman living there is choosing whether or not to go bumping into people on the basis of their race. And it's rather racist to suggest that they are.

But that's her experience. Do you think she should lie about it to spare your feelings?

I'm British mixed race and my parents' marriage was a scandal because of my dad marrying a white woman. (My family has progressed and changed since then, but the sentiment is still common.) Part of the worry was that they said she would never be accepted and their children wouldn't either. The fact you can just make a casual statement like that really speaks to your ignorance - or maybe your inability to see beyond yourself.

I also wear sunglasses when I run, which for some reason makes people think you can't see them, and the amount of pursed lips, side-eyes and general cat's bum mouths I see is... interesting. (I am a thoughtful runner who keeps out of people's way etc!) Almost always from older women. Younger women give me a solidarity nod if they acknowledge me at all, younger men sometimes the same. Older men, unfortunately sunglasses mean they think I can't see them ogling, but whatever.

That is absolutely disgusting!!

I worked in a school where white staff (as there are no longer any white pupils at all, which in itself is telling) are very much in the minority.

There was a time when the pupils took to stepping on their feet when they were on duty, knocking into them on the corridor and pushing past them at their classroom doors.