AIBU to think that 'patriarchy chicken' isn't the whole story?

The thing that necessitates patriarchy chicken is that men tend not to 'see' women - that is, they can see us, visually, but don't register our presence as embodied persons they might have to move over for. We don't matter enough to notice, basically (obligatory NAMALT for the sensitive male ego).

I can easily believe that a certain proportion of white people exhibit a similar blindness to brown people. What I don't believe is that all these rude white people were female.

Anyhow, there's no good reason why you, as a dark-skinned woman, shouldn't play patriarchy + racism chicken. Just don't knock any old, disabled, pregnant or juvenile pedestrians out of your way.

This observation is no different to older women saying they notice they are invisible, as in logically its entirely possible that people have an unconscious bias.

I do think men as a whole are less likely to bump into women. In terms of women bumping into women, were there just more white people ? As that could have skewed perception slightly.

Unconscious bias definitely exists though - I've been fat and slim and definitely get more attention if I'm slim.

It's interesting- I'll definitely be aware of whether I'm doing it.

I live in London. I'm a white woman. I just think people in London are always late and are hyper-focused on getting to where they are going to. Add to the mix the people using devices when they are out and about, plus the skaters, the scooter people, the people who ride bikes on the pavement, plus all the other things that indicate a general lack of spatial awareness or respect, and...you get the pedestrian viewpoint of London. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I really don't think patriarchy or any intersectionality comes into it. I think people of all backgrounds are stressed out about making their appointments and work shifts on time. That's it.

Obviously you’re asking @skippy67, not me, but your answer struck me as really ill-informed: Britain was built on slavery and the triangular trade (tools from us to W Africa, kidnapped/trafficked people from Africa to the Caribbean, sugar etc from there to Europe). I don’t massively subscribe the idea that white Brits should be stressing about becoming anti-racist and I don’t feel guilty about what my ancestors’ overlords did in the past, but the idea that we should be proud of abolition is such a narrow perspective, it’s risible.

Why do people keep count of these sort of things, is it just to feel aggrieved.l? People in general, don’t think of others when they’re out and about.

Just let it wash over you, it really doesn’t matter.

Could you elaborate? It's not even clear if you agree or disagree based on what you've posted.

Literally in london yesterday an older white man shunted my DD (adult white and female) out of the way impressively missing my sons he literally stepped to my right side knocking me moved diagonally infront to knock the left side of DD before moving diagonally infront of her to run down some steps and the stupidest part? He was going the wrong way and had to come back up the steps we eye rolled and moved on he was the only person to do that in such a deliberate manner all day

So I dont know where OP is walking where "everyone" is hitting them

I thought this more than once in various cities (Edinburgh and Aberdeen both spring to mind) when my dc were pram/pushchair sized. Men would get off the pavement, open doors and help navigate stairs etc. Women would walk into me or expect me to move off the pavement. Obviously it wasn't all women/men but enough that it stuck out as being "a thing".

Now I spend a lot of time getting annoyed at my children's inability to look where they are going given that they're both excellent at assault courses/demonstrating spatial awareness when it benefits them.

And this is why some people shouldn't be allowed on the Internet.

Still waiting to hear which bit of London OP is referring to.

Young people in general are more oblivious,

yep

Do people not know what skillsets dance uses? It has been actually very very useful in my general life, I can read body language incredibly well (I've been dancing since I was three)

Yep, I can generally tell who is likely to bump into me and tend to dodge it.

OP would obviously prefer to ignore you.
Yes we should be proud, I agree.

assuming as an ex dancing you have superior spatial awareness

I definitely do!

I'm white but find men are generally more polite. Although young men are less polite than middle aged or older men.

@AliceMaforethought As a Londoner who also has done a lot of dancing, an awful lot of people have dreadful spatial awareness here!

OP if you are a dancer, you will have better spatial awareness than most. I have none, I am dyspraxic. Most people will be somewhere on the continuim between me and you but few will be as good as you

Why would anyone think that people couldn't be racist towards white people? Think we've been listeningbto nonsense again. We need to get out of this silly mindset that black people are an oppressed group. For a very small part of modern history some suffered as slaves and it was terrible. We should be proud however that we are from the nation responsible for abolishing that trade.

I’ve never experienced any of the chicken stuff which makes me fairly confident I’m a barger into not a bargee

sorry everyone

You're right. Id assume interpretative dance. That way she can interperet her bullshit views

Frothing🤣 I at no point said white women were victimised. Maybe you should just stay away from all us mean white women when walking down the road. Possibly get one of those men who you say are checking you out to help you. And definitely do some research about racism because your whole "racism against whites doesn't exist" is pure barmy🤣

I think you are just out to get a reaction to be honest. Trying to goad and stir people up.
Saying you don't think racism to white people doesn't exist! Such rubbish, there have been two accounts within schools given now.
What sort of dancing do you do by the way?