AIBU to think that 'patriarchy chicken' isn't the whole story?

I genuinely opened this thread thinking ‘patriarchy chicken’ was some sort of poultry based dish one would whip up to bring to a ‘bring your own dish’ dinner held by feminists.

And I’m really disappointed.

Yes - it was terribly expensive, wasn't it, paying compensation to all those slave owners so they wouldn't be out of pocket.

Ha ha - love this post

Willful ignorance is difficult to overcome. Victimhood is the height of fashion (ultra competitive).
Thank you @Alicealig for such a well informed and intelligent post.

I bet they don’t because these are the same women who will shout NAMALT!

I’m 100% with you op but it’s the hierarchy innit….

men
white-women
non-white women

First of all where did I say Britain was built on slavery?

My point, which you clearly missed, was the belief some on here have that Britain ended slavery is false. It ended it in Britain and British colonies but other countries ended it earlier and some countries carried on with it after Britain. Slavery definitely carried on.

No praise for stopping something you shouldn't have done in the first place. If your husband beats you up every Friday when he's had a skinful do you think he's some sort of hero because he stops?

People most certainly view Jews as victims. Some holocaust survivors are still with us, do you honestly dismiss their suffering? Maybe have a look at transgenerstional trauma which still is an issue for some.

Don't worry about being condescending, you've nothing to be condescending about.
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I really don't mean to sound condescending but I don't think you've schooled up properly with your history. To assume Britain was built on slavery is just patently wrong whichever way you look at it. The fact a few rich landowners abroad owned slaves contributed such a small amount to the overall GDP of the country it barely made a mark and if you look into the history of abolition you'll find that Britain paid far more in money and treasure than they ever earned from the slave trade to enforce the abolition on the high seas too, far more than any other country.

Back in those times slavery was the norm, so fighting to abolish it was fraught with a huge kickback.

Slavery is still rife in many African countries today. Who wouldn't be proud that our country view that as a moral sin.

The slave trade was an awful business that was perpetrated by black and white people. This isn't a white vs black issue. Both committed atrocities. Who do you think kidnapped and sold their own people to the slavers waiting on the beaches? I think you give white people more credit than they're due assuming they were brave enough men to go away from the shore into a country of people who were seen at that time as savages.

We need to stop thinking of black people as as victims because of a trade that ended hundreds of years ago.

No one views the Jews as victims and what happened to them was arguably far worse being slaughtered by a crazed head of a country who wanted to see them wiped out.... And that was all less than 100 years ago!!

Well Google says it was never legal in Australia. Do you have any information on slavery in Australia. Of course the way people of colour were treated was shameful, nothing to be proud of.

Correct. 100 percent definitely and inarguably correct.

Yep, main character syndrome sums her up rather well :)

You'd think people would have this understanding but apparently not!

I agree with you.

Yep, patriarchy chicken is a new one on me too.

Britain did not singlehandedly end slavery, as I pointed out Denmark outlawed it before Britain. Neither Britain nor Denmark had a right to crow about it as they had benefitted from it in the first place.

You are also ignoring the black people who fought against slavery but I suppose they don't count. Maybe read up about slave rebellions in Jamaica, Barbados and Haiti. The Haitian rebellions was very successful and resulted in it becoming a free black republic, not Britain but black slaves achieved that. The British response to the Jamaican rebellion is certainly nothing to be proud of.

As a white middle aged woman myself,I honestly don't understand why anyone is questioning you on this. Surely we all understand that we all have different levels and types of privilege that can spill over into this sort of unconcious behaviour? most of the men who always expect ME to move when walking down a path are probablh perfectly nice men who truly believe they're supporting equality at home and in the workplace etc. That's what makes these sort of things so insidious - they're not obvious and often they're not aware of it in the first place.

I find myself consciously checking if I'm doing this. Sometimes I worry I go too far the other way with white women's guilt, but I figure that really, treating people politely and nicely isn't over compensating, it's normal life.

As a slight side note, I live opposite a very large high school, co ed and quite diverse. It is the white teenage girls who are the MOST annoying on shared paths and inconsiderate and entitled. It's weird.

Well I'm thinking of me 71 year old woman with a GC in a buggy and bag of stuff for them. If I go down the train carriage ready to get off as we approach a station I will almost always be offered help by young men, I can't think of an occasion in the last six months when a young woman has offered help but I can recall eyerolling and tutting as I'm holding them up by seconds. Older men and women sometimes offer. So I'm not actually expecting anything from any of them although I am grateful if it is offered, I'm certainly not judging anything different for the different sexes or age groups. I don't think there is a numbers issue but I don't keep score so maybe it is more common to have young men getting off trains but I can't think of any other explanation.

The worst experience I've had was a woman who was probably in her 80s and very annoyed that a wheelchair was in the wheelchair space on a bus and I had buggy in the buggy space. She was so angry as there was no room for her shopping trolley and shouted at me and was rude about moving for wheelchairs. She was a delight and did out do any young woman I've come across for rudeness.

I think it would be interesting to try to measure this empirically. I am slightly suspicious that rude young women stand out more as women are meant to be nice. Or that your bar for what counts as very polite and helpful is lower for men than women. This certainly can be seen for other facets of male behaviour - the bar for "great dad" is well below the line for normal non-neglectful mum.

Yes I think someone who has turned their lives around to being genuinely good people have a right to be proud about that. I also think a country that was responsible for the abolition of one of the most awful practices on earth should be proud they managed to achieve that. Why not?

And there we have it. 😂

No comment to make on my first post, but as soon as people start to be like, "hmm... overthinking", the MCS kicks in within 2 minutes (constantly refreshing the page...? Go touch grass) and the insults start to fly.

Anyway, I'll leave you to your endless refreshing.

Inclined to agree.
One of those who thinks everyone else is thinking about her as much as she is.
My recommendation to her would be less time on the internet, and more time touching grass.

I'm not sure if it a general thing but in recent years, since I hit 70, I've noticed young men are very polite and helpful and young women are the opposite. Older people seem about equal. I'm not saying every young man is helpful and every young woman isn't but it happens often enough that it is a clear pattern.

When I see posts on MN being very negative about being nice I wonder if that is a new attitude i.e. that woman shouldn't be nice, I'd much prefer that being nice was encouraged for everyone.

Never heard of all this chicken nonsense but I’ve heard of main character syndrome. I reckon that’s what OP has.