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Family wedding with obligatory religion. What's an atheist to do?

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Tootoomooch · 07/08/2025 13:41

A close family member is getting married this year. He is a devout christian. Both I and my partner are atheists (me, stridently; him, more quietly. Both committedly).

The family member has made a point of asking everyone to participate in various religious aspects of the wedding. It appears to be a more involved affair than the standard C of E wedding service. We've been asked - but it feels more like an instruction - to join the singing and to offer individual prayers for the couple (out loud, in front of the assembled masses).

I feel very uncomfortable about this but can't put my finger on exactly why. Logically, given that I don't believe, what is the harm in just playing along? But, conversely, if he knows we don't believe and are doing it to keep the peace, what value can he possibly place on our "prayers"? Also - and maybe this is flouncy - but why is my atheism any less valid than his theism? I wouldn't dream of asking him to not pray, or otherwise minimising his beliefs (at least out loud).

There is no way I will allow the children to participate, and I also feel uncomfortable with them watching us participate in a religious ceremony that they know we don't believe in.

My natural tendency is to both obduracy and confrontation (🤣) so my first instinct is to ignore the request and, if pushed, to say that I don't feel comfortable. This is me moderating my first, instinctive response to tell him to f-off.

However, I wonder if IABU. It's a wedding, his special day etc etc (blah) and I should just suck it up?

So -

AIBU - being a militant atheist can wait for a day. Keep the peace and make up a prayer.

or

AINBU - obliging disbelievers to participate is unreasonable and I can just keep quiet (to the fullest extent possible)

OP posts:
whackamole666 · 08/08/2025 14:10

Juststop2025 · 08/08/2025 13:37

Not your place to make any sort of stand, disagree publicly, make any kind of fuss at all. Just not your place.

As you feel so strongly, you have only one option. Don't go.

Totally OPs place to decide whether she wants to do something or not. She decided not.

And she has two options. Go or don't go .

I don't think I like your brand of .... Christianity is it? Or something more sinister....?

Hello39 · 08/08/2025 13:43

Sorry I see you got it sorted

Hello39 · 08/08/2025 13:42

Did they specify which god they want you to pray too...there are 100's

Juststop2025 · 08/08/2025 13:37

Not your place to make any sort of stand, disagree publicly, make any kind of fuss at all. Just not your place.

As you feel so strongly, you have only one option. Don't go.

CarpetKnees · 08/08/2025 13:29

He's a strange kind of a Christian if he wants someone to say a prayer when they don't believe in it. If someone were praying for me, I'd like it to be sincere.

Epidote · 08/08/2025 12:30

Problem solved! Glad to hear that.

Tootoomooch · 08/08/2025 12:22

Thanks all. I have spoken to him and explained my discomfort and offered to read something else. He - not unlike some on this thread - has said he thinks I’m being unreasonable and he doesn’t want a non-religious reading, so we’ve agreed that a cousin will do the prayer instead. I shall occupy my usual position at the back.

A little uncomfortable, but all sorted now and no doubt water under the bridge by the weddings.

OP posts:
Jasmin71 · 08/08/2025 10:48

I would just find a lovely poem or something and read that out.

No one is going to notice that you aren't singing or praying. I just stand and maintain a dignified silence at these events whilst thinking good wishes for the people celebrating.

crumblingschools · 08/08/2025 10:02

@Littledogball close family have each been asked to read a prayer out, it’s not just the normal congregation prayers which you can avoid saying

Littledogball · 08/08/2025 09:53

If he knows you are not religious he isn’t going to expect you to pray out loud!! And nobody is going to check if you are singing. Just stand up and sit down with everyone else and you’ll be fine.

Valeriekat · 08/08/2025 09:27

You obviously shouldn't be saying a prayer though!

Valeriekat · 08/08/2025 09:25

Attend and be respectful but no need to join in surely.

Haffdonga · 08/08/2025 09:22

You're an actor so your very job is saying a load of words out loud in public that aren't actually true.
Plus you're an atheist so you don't believe that saying or singing any particular set of magic words makes them true.
On the other hand those particular words are much more meaningful to the groom. Why not just tell the groom you'd be happy to read the words and join in the songs but remind him you'll be acting when you do it because you don't believe in it yourself?
If he's happy to go along with that compromise then why wouldn't you be? It doesn't mean anything, after all.

Itsnottheheatitsthehumidity · 08/08/2025 06:31

There are relatives in my family that are religious and when a huge life event happens I get an invite and I sit quietly listening. Not only because I'm an atheist but I am quite shy and introverted, and there would be a lot of people there I don't know.

If I was asked to read a prayer in front of a congregation I would be more worried about stage fright than if my beliefs align with the text! Thankfully I doubt if any of my relatives would propose such a thing.

nutbrownhare15 · 07/08/2025 21:27

Can you say you are happy to sing but are not able to offer prayers. Can offer hopes for their future if desired or not take part in that bit.

PurpleThistle7 · 07/08/2025 21:23

UninterestedBeing12 · 07/08/2025 18:30

Christmas is religious in origin. How.many of you refuse to go to your child's nativity play on principle or sing carols with them at such events.

Quite...

My children and I don’t sing religious songs at Christmas. Not our holiday. I gave them the choice about the nativity and they participated but not as the religious characters - one was a sheep and one a tree I think? They politely listened to the songs that aren’t for us as it’s always fun to experience new things, but no - we wouldn’t sing along.

It would be super uncomfortable for me if my husband joined in on our Shabbat prayers or sang along in synagogue. He doesn’t believe it, he doesn’t have a connection to it and it’s not his thing.

Plenty of people can attend a religious event without participating in it. I respect everyone’s traditions and love seeing them, and am always happy to learn more, but I think it’s disrespectful to lie.

Icanttakethisanymore · 07/08/2025 20:54

SkylarFalls · 07/08/2025 20:45

There's nothing fake about meaning the sentiment of a prayer, just because you mean it direct from you to them, rather than via god?

There's zero difference between praying for someone to get better and
a hearfelt wishing for them to get well soon.

At no point did I suggest not meaning it, I just suggested maybe the OP doesn't in fact mean the sentiment and that's the real problem.

Are you religious?

SkylarFalls · 07/08/2025 20:45

Icanttakethisanymore · 07/08/2025 20:37

Are you religious? I assume you are because you seem invested in this thread but your attitude to religious practices seems odd to be honest. Is feigning religion like making polite conversation about someone’s dress? I thought it was more significant than that, for those who believe in the existence of God.

There's nothing fake about meaning the sentiment of a prayer, just because you mean it direct from you to them, rather than via god?

There's zero difference between praying for someone to get better and
a hearfelt wishing for them to get well soon.

At no point did I suggest not meaning it, I just suggested maybe the OP doesn't in fact mean the sentiment and that's the real problem.

Icanttakethisanymore · 07/08/2025 20:41

SwayzeM · 07/08/2025 18:59

I'm a Christian and no way would I ask anyone who didn't have faith to say prayers.
I'd ask if they want you to act in a way that is incompatible with their proclaimed faith. Remind them that the Bible says Jesus proclaimed he was the way, the truth and the life and called out religious hypocrites. Ask why they are trying to force you to be a hypocrite in church and if they really believe Jesus would approve of such an unloving act. Their actions don't align with the bible teachings they profess to be following and if they asked their vicar/minister about it I would hope they would let them know it wasn't right.

This is what confuses me to be honest. I wouldn’t lead a prayer in a church as a non religious person, it just seems… rude.

Icanttakethisanymore · 07/08/2025 20:37

SkylarFalls · 07/08/2025 19:40

Oh why get up and dance at the reception if you're not a dancer?
Why have a bite of cake and go "mmmm yummy" even if cake isn't your thing
Why gush about dresses if you're not a dress person?

Why join the couple in celebrating at all???

Good question for the OP tbh!

Are you religious? I assume you are because you seem invested in this thread but your attitude to religious practices seems odd to be honest. Is feigning religion like making polite conversation about someone’s dress? I thought it was more significant than that, for those who believe in the existence of God.

Laura95167 · 07/08/2025 20:37

Im Catholic. I would do psalm reading for a couple. I wouldnt be offering my spoken aloud prayer for them

And im not sure why the bride and groom wouldnt just give reflection time and ask people to include them in their prayers and/or thoughts

Icanttakethisanymore · 07/08/2025 20:20

Hi OP, I’m surprised they’ve asked you to do a religious reading when you’re not religious. That feels odd to me and not positive for anyone (believers on non). I am not religious but I respect religious practices (where they don’t infringe on other people’s liberties) and I’d gladly participate in a religious ceremony but I wouldn’t lead a prayer, that would be inappropriate in my view because it would be making a mockery of people who genuinely believe.

grumpygrape · 07/08/2025 19:53

Tootoomooch · 07/08/2025 18:19

I’m not going to say the prayer because, contrary to the fevered speculation, I don’t want to upset the relative or have the wedding scuttlebutt be all about my MN thread. But it goes along the lines of “We ask god to…” and then onwards.

Frankly, it shouldn’t matter. I am being asked to participate in a ritual which validates a viewpoint I don’t share. The purpose of the thread was (and I say it again) to see if my vaguely defined discomfort was reasonable.

Despite some very shouty opinions and character assassination - I don’t think we know each other, but if we do I’ll defs leave you to it in the pub - it seems lots of people of all faiths and none don’t think I’m unreasonable.

Edited

OP, I’m surprised, if your family member knows your views that they have asked you to read an obviously Christian prayer. I don't think you are being unreasonable and I think I would find something as close as possible in sentiment but non-religious and offer to read it. If they can’t agree to that then I would respectfully decline to do a reading. Respect must go both ways. There was an analogy earlier about vegetarianism, surely if you were a vegetarian they wouldn’t ask you to eat meat for them ?

ChildFreeAndOhSoHappy · 07/08/2025 19:51

Yeah, that would be a hard pass from me. Other people being religious is fine, wanting to shove that down your throat however, they can do one.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 07/08/2025 19:43

SkylarFalls · 07/08/2025 19:40

Oh why get up and dance at the reception if you're not a dancer?
Why have a bite of cake and go "mmmm yummy" even if cake isn't your thing
Why gush about dresses if you're not a dress person?

Why join the couple in celebrating at all???

Good question for the OP tbh!

Why indeed.

Why join the couple in celebrating at all???

Because there is usually a piss-up after the ceremony guff is out of the way. Probably a free meal into the bargain.

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