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Family wedding with obligatory religion. What's an atheist to do?

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Tootoomooch · 07/08/2025 13:41

A close family member is getting married this year. He is a devout christian. Both I and my partner are atheists (me, stridently; him, more quietly. Both committedly).

The family member has made a point of asking everyone to participate in various religious aspects of the wedding. It appears to be a more involved affair than the standard C of E wedding service. We've been asked - but it feels more like an instruction - to join the singing and to offer individual prayers for the couple (out loud, in front of the assembled masses).

I feel very uncomfortable about this but can't put my finger on exactly why. Logically, given that I don't believe, what is the harm in just playing along? But, conversely, if he knows we don't believe and are doing it to keep the peace, what value can he possibly place on our "prayers"? Also - and maybe this is flouncy - but why is my atheism any less valid than his theism? I wouldn't dream of asking him to not pray, or otherwise minimising his beliefs (at least out loud).

There is no way I will allow the children to participate, and I also feel uncomfortable with them watching us participate in a religious ceremony that they know we don't believe in.

My natural tendency is to both obduracy and confrontation (🤣) so my first instinct is to ignore the request and, if pushed, to say that I don't feel comfortable. This is me moderating my first, instinctive response to tell him to f-off.

However, I wonder if IABU. It's a wedding, his special day etc etc (blah) and I should just suck it up?

So -

AIBU - being a militant atheist can wait for a day. Keep the peace and make up a prayer.

or

AINBU - obliging disbelievers to participate is unreasonable and I can just keep quiet (to the fullest extent possible)

OP posts:
ScorchingEgg · 07/08/2025 14:03

No way. This is ridiculously intrusive. I’d be saying I’m not going at all.

crumblingschools · 07/08/2025 14:03

I am happy to sing in church (not sure everyone is happy to hear my singing!) quite like a hymn, from a tune point of view. Sit quietly when prayers are said. If I had to say something individual, I would give them a blessing, but it wouldn't be religious in any way, so something like another poster said, wishing them a long and happy marriage

Bruisername · 07/08/2025 14:03

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/08/2025 14:00

Yeah, I get it, but I wouldn't do that personally. Happy to go along to witness their religious ceremony - regardless of which faith it is - but not going to pretend that I buy into it in any way.

But the person asking knows op is an atheist (and everyone I know does too) - so if they’ve asked it then they are also aware I don’t believe it. Now they could be doing it for other reasons - they don’t want their church community to know OP isn’t a believer for example - and I really couldn’t care less. If later someone were to ask me what church I go to I would happily tell them I don’t and why

myplace · 07/08/2025 14:02

To illustrate a different perspective, I am a regular church goer.

Sometimes people have christenings where the guests are really rude during the service. Like, they’d be annoying if they were at a cinema, for example.

It’s possible the couple have seen similar rudeness at events in the past and want to avoid it. Seems a bit heavy handed though, given they’ve presumably not invited anyone that’s rude.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/08/2025 14:02

hydriotaphia · 07/08/2025 14:00

I think this is really sad. I am an atheist and have attended beautiful Jewish, Muslim and Sikh weddings as well as Christian weddings of various denominations, and participated in many. Shutting yourself off from people who think differently from you is just so closed-minded.

Participating is fine, if you're comfortable with what you have been asked to do. Nobody should have to do something that makes them feel uncomfortable though.

I wouldn't want to say a fake prayer, personally. To me, it would feel very disrespectful towards the beliefs of those who actually follow a religion.

NebulousSadTimes · 07/08/2025 14:01

We've been asked - but it feels more like an instruction - to join the singing and to offer individual prayers for the couple (out loud, in front of the assembled masses).

FTS. You are under no obligation @Tootoomooch . With such a request/instruction I'd probably be somewhat glib with my no can do. I suppose it depends how much the relationship means to you and how bothered you'll be by potential resulting consequences.

grumpygrape · 07/08/2025 14:00

Hankunamatata · 07/08/2025 13:57

Nothing worse than when no one signs hymns at a wedding, its really awful.

Individual prayers. Step too far.

Hire the choir ☺️

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/08/2025 14:00

Bruisername · 07/08/2025 13:58

I suppose I see it as supporting them in their delusion

Yeah, I get it, but I wouldn't do that personally. Happy to go along to witness their religious ceremony - regardless of which faith it is - but not going to pretend that I buy into it in any way.

hydriotaphia · 07/08/2025 14:00

I think this is really sad. I am an atheist and have attended beautiful Jewish, Muslim and Sikh weddings as well as Christian weddings of various denominations, and participated in many. Shutting yourself off from people who think differently from you is just so closed-minded.

Americano75 · 07/08/2025 14:00

Bloody hell, I go to church but there's no way I'd want to do this at a wedding!

OrsolaRosso · 07/08/2025 14:00

How about this Celtic Blessing:

Peace of the running water to you,
Peace of the flowing air to you,
Peace of the quiet earth to you,
Peace of the shining stars to you,
And the love and the care from us all to you.

Waterbortle · 07/08/2025 13:59

Surely if you don't believe it, it's just words like any other song or poem. I don't agree with the sentiment of some pop songs, but I'll still sing along.

Bruisername · 07/08/2025 13:58

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/08/2025 13:57

I wouldn't say that personally because it wouldn't be genuine. I can't hope that God blesses anything because I don't think God is real. But I could say "may your marriage be a long and happy one" or something along those lines.

I suppose I see it as supporting them in their delusion

Hankunamatata · 07/08/2025 13:57

Nothing worse than when no one signs hymns at a wedding, its really awful.

Individual prayers. Step too far.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/08/2025 13:57

Bruisername · 07/08/2025 13:56

I don’t really have an issue with saying ‘I hope God blesses your marriage’ or whatever they are expecting because for them that would be important and to me it would be meaningless

but if someone said that to me at my wedding I would find it inappropriate because I don’t believe in their god so it’s a meaningless sentiment

I wouldn't say that personally because it wouldn't be genuine. I can't hope that God blesses anything because I don't think God is real. But I could say "may your marriage be a long and happy one" or something along those lines.

grumpygrape · 07/08/2025 13:57

Suednymph · 07/08/2025 13:55

I am atheist and go to Irish catholic weddings/funerals etc and just do not do any of the singing/praying etc that comes with it. It really is not a fuss to sit there and just NOT get involved while respecting others choices.

But Groomzilla has 'requested' people participate in singing and praying.

DiscoBob · 07/08/2025 13:57

Just politely opt out of the prayers etc on the grounds that you're not Christian. Tell them in advance you'll be doing so. Then if they want to disinvite you based on that you'll probably be quite relieved!

Overandoveradnauseum · 07/08/2025 13:57

I was brought up as a church going Christian and took my religion pretty seriously.
But it's many years now since I became an aethiest, albeit still admiring some of the more socialist and benign Christian teachings.
I'm afraid it was the behaviour of quite a lot of committed Christians that disillusioned me. And someone that demanded people to stand up and say prayers for him and his bride whether they were believers or not, or if they were believers but weren't comfortable with doing this, would be one of the people that would really put me off organised religion.
I would sing the hymns - and possibly enjoy them. But would not say an individual prayer.

CurlewKate · 07/08/2025 13:56

@TootoomoochIt would depend. I’m an atheist too. I would happily go and sing some hymns- although I would put money on them being those awful , dirge like modern hymns that overtly devout Christians (maybe he ought to check what Jesus said about that)seem to go for. Make me a Channel of your Peace springs to mind. Then I would either just give my good wishes when asked to pray. Or, depending on the level of badness I felt, I would find a couple of lines of poetry-I’ll help you look for something. Or Khalil Gibran. They probably won’t like him.

Zov · 07/08/2025 13:56

You need to decline the invitation. Say 'it appears that it's going to be VERY religious, with prayers, and bible reading and everything. As a staunch atheist, I'm not comfortable coming sorry. All the best though. Hope you have a good day!'

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/08/2025 13:56

I could probably get on board with the singing. Though it might depend on the choice of hymns. If I didn't feel comfortable with it, I would just stand respectfully while letting everyone else get on with it.

With regards to the individual prayer, this is a bizarre request from someone who knows that you're atheist, but to keep the peace, I would go along with it in a non-religious way - just expressing my hopes for the happy couple without any reference to any god. "May you be happy and healthy" type thing.

mindutopia · 07/08/2025 13:56

I’m Jewish, but I end up attending lots of things in church. It’s just about honouring the couple and their marriage with your presence. You don’t have to join in, but also I wouldn’t make a big deal of it. I don’t personally say the prayers or sing the hymns, but I’m happy to sit and stand and bow my head in respect as requested. You can just say you aren’t comfortable doing a prayer if it’s super prayer-y. Alternatively, you can offer to do a non-religious reading if they are happy to select one.

Bruisername · 07/08/2025 13:56

I don’t really have an issue with saying ‘I hope God blesses your marriage’ or whatever they are expecting because for them that would be important and to me it would be meaningless

but if someone said that to me at my wedding I would find it inappropriate because I don’t believe in their god so it’s a meaningless sentiment

Suednymph · 07/08/2025 13:55

I am atheist and go to Irish catholic weddings/funerals etc and just do not do any of the singing/praying etc that comes with it. It really is not a fuss to sit there and just NOT get involved while respecting others choices.

grumpygrape · 07/08/2025 13:55

TSW12 · 07/08/2025 13:50

I would contact them and say this makes you very uncomfortable. Ask if you can just attend the evening celebrations if they're having any, if not I'd be sending my gift with apologies.

I agree with this.

Is this Groomzilla ? 🤣

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