Page 7 | To think Corbyn despises Britain?

JamesMacGill · 2025-08-06T22:19:54+00:00

When I was a bit more ‘sixth form politics’ I used to really like Jeremy Corbyn, thought he was a genuine alternative to fatcats, warmongers and austerity enthusiasts. Now I’ve grown up a little but still follow him on social media. I’ve become increasingly concerned about his almost obsessive coverage of Gaza, to the exclusion of almost everything else that affects Britain. He posts repeatedly commemorating virtually every event where he perceives Britain to have been an oppressor, while rarely acknowledging the reverse. Today it’s Hiroshima, and while I don’t think anyone is going to delight in the deaths of civilians regardless of whether they were an ally or not, it just feels at this stage that he actively dislikes Britain and exclusively sympathises with anyone who was/is against us. As usual he is very clear in naming America as the nuke dropping aggressor, yet on 7/7 his post only referenced ‘bombings’ and how ‘all faiths came together’. No mention of the aggressors there, or even that it was an act of terrorism. I think he has gone far beyond simply viewing things through a global, objective lens and the thought of him becoming PM (unlikely but you never know) brings me out in a cold sweat. AIBU?

Whitehorses67 · 07/08/2025 09:37

I wish labour would sort itself out but JC isn’t the answer he’s just a very naughty boy

BIossomtoes · 07/08/2025 09:36

Absentmindedsmile · 07/08/2025 09:19

@BIossomtoes Ah but Sultana is younger and impressive. Even if JC shuffles off this mortal coil early, she’ll be there.

‘Labour loyalists will say that a left divided is a left defeated. But if they truly believed that, Starmer’s party and government would be much more pluralist.

What these loyalists really think is that the left should only ever be divided on their terms. That entitled and coercive logic has now had consequences.

A new leftwing party, risky and imperfect, could be here to stay. This time, it’s possible that our politics will never be quite the same again.’

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/01/jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana-new-party-launch-radical

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Do you remember Change UK? Chuka Umunna was young and impressive, a great loss to the Labour Party. Who remembers him now?

brunettemic · 07/08/2025 09:30

The guy is a complete moron. Failed to take a position on Brexit that swung a lot of voters to vote out and lost one of the easiest elections to win in history, leaving us in the mess that just got worse.

Absentmindedsmile · 07/08/2025 09:29

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 09:24

Sultana isn’t impressive. She’s a young, extremely attractive woman who is incredibly confident but does little bar post about Gaza and how awful Britain is.

She has very little life experience (practically none actually) and is set to be a career politician who is excellent with soundbites but clueless when it comes to the complexities of running a country.

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She’s not impressive to me at all, none of them are. I meant the people who might vote for the party with no name. The only ‘left wing’ person who’s impressive to me these days, is Burnham. He’s tucked up tight up North and the party luvvies can’t bear him.

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JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 09:28

Longtalljosie · 07/08/2025 09:27

Yes that was a bloody scandal. I’d been covering the parliamentary committee the day before (am a journo). That column was just setting out what had been said in evidence. It was factual. Fired for telling the truth - I was disgusted.

Also speaking as a journo his hatred of the mainstream media was at least part-confected. His office would be told clearly by the papers “our deadline is (eg) 9pm, the first edition is printing at 10.30pm” and then they’d not comment until 11pm. And then they’d make a fuss about not being quoted in the first edition, which was on the stands by the time they picked the phone up.

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Interesting and explains a lot, thank you

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Longtalljosie · 07/08/2025 09:27

Somerford · 07/08/2025 08:11

No interest in the victims of grooming gangs, in fact Sarah Champion had to resign for speaking out about them.

He loves Islamists and he hates Britain, I'm very much looking forward to watching him fail again. He can count on votes from child groomers, terrorists and their supporters though. 600000 and counting.

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Yes that was a bloody scandal. I’d been covering the parliamentary committee the day before (am a journo). That column was just setting out what had been said in evidence. It was factual. Fired for telling the truth - I was disgusted.

Also speaking as a journo his hatred of the mainstream media was at least part-confected. His office would be told clearly by the papers “our deadline is (eg) 9pm, the first edition is printing at 10.30pm” and then they’d not comment until 11pm. And then they’d make a fuss about not being quoted in the first edition, which was on the stands by the time they picked the phone up.

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JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 09:26

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 09:24

Yes the last 15 years has shown how fortunate we all are to have had such stunning Govt.

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I don’t want to derail but Kemi Badenoch is extremely impressive and my favourite by a country mile. However she’s tethered to the corpse of the Conservative Party so it’s very unlikely her talents will come to fruition. Which is a real shame as I think she’s got balls of steel and a very intelligent analytical mind.

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JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 09:24

Absentmindedsmile · 07/08/2025 09:19

@BIossomtoes Ah but Sultana is younger and impressive. Even if JC shuffles off this mortal coil early, she’ll be there.

‘Labour loyalists will say that a left divided is a left defeated. But if they truly believed that, Starmer’s party and government would be much more pluralist.

What these loyalists really think is that the left should only ever be divided on their terms. That entitled and coercive logic has now had consequences.

A new leftwing party, risky and imperfect, could be here to stay. This time, it’s possible that our politics will never be quite the same again.’

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/01/jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana-new-party-launch-radical

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Sultana isn’t impressive. She’s a young, extremely attractive woman who is incredibly confident but does little bar post about Gaza and how awful Britain is.

She has very little life experience (practically none actually) and is set to be a career politician who is excellent with soundbites but clueless when it comes to the complexities of running a country.

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Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 09:24

Boredlass · 07/08/2025 09:21

Corbyn doesn’t have a clue and nor do his voters

Yes the last 15 years has shown how fortunate we all are to have had such stunning Govt.

Boredlass · 07/08/2025 09:21

Corbyn doesn’t have a clue and nor do his voters

Absentmindedsmile · 07/08/2025 09:19

@BIossomtoes Ah but Sultana is younger and impressive. Even if JC shuffles off this mortal coil early, she’ll be there.

‘Labour loyalists will say that a left divided is a left defeated. But if they truly believed that, Starmer’s party and government would be much more pluralist.

What these loyalists really think is that the left should only ever be divided on their terms. That entitled and coercive logic has now had consequences.

A new leftwing party, risky and imperfect, could be here to stay. This time, it’s possible that our politics will never be quite the same again.’

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/01/jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana-new-party-launch-radical

Despite the chaos of its launch, Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana’s new party has struck a nerve | Andy Beckett

Scathing rightwing coverage contains a revealing note of alarm: this is more than just a rebellion, and it’s gaining supporters fast, says Guardian columnist Andy Beckett

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/01/jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana-new-party-launch-radical

baroqueandblue · 07/08/2025 09:16

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 07:24

Yes he’s finished Labour at the next GE, their margins are wafer thin as it is. Hello, Reform 👋🏻

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Calm down ffs. Reform get in - blame Corbyn?! Have you heard yourself? The blame for that possible outcome lies at doors a million miles from Corbyn's and if you had even an ounce of honesty (rather than bagfuls of disingenuousness) you would admit that.

But you're the epitome of "Look! Corbyn!" so I won't be holding my breath.

BIossomtoes · 07/08/2025 09:04

I think he’s a complete irrelevance and doubt his new party will even exist by 2029, when he’ll be 80. Anyone else remember the last Labour splinter party? Change UK lasted all of ten months and never fielded a single candidate for election.

Absentmindedsmile · 07/08/2025 09:01

SharonEllis · 07/08/2025 08:06

I've been a member of the Labour Party since the 80s. He was a joke fringe figure. He used to turn up to a lot of demos, gave the same speech everywhere. But he didn't really do anything. He barely did any committee work, never been a shadow minister, or responsible for a bill. Even some of the causes he supported like anti apartheid and Irish nationalism were a bit wary of him because he wasnt a very effective ally. I think its a mistake to see him as a connection to Labour history. I think he is very much of his time. Old school working class Labour like my family would not see him as connected to them in any way. He's typical of a type of middle class socialist with luxury beliefs. I am confident Attlee, Bevin and that generation would have loathed his self indulgence and lack of patriotism. Apparently he's a good constituency MP. Well so he bloody well should be. Its his job.

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Yes. 💯 correct

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 08:58

Thats only your opinion.

Like i said, he'll be 80 in 4 years time.

Absentmindedsmile · 07/08/2025 08:56

At least corbyn splits the vote, making it less likely we’ll have a labour gvt again. Good work.

Sharptonguedwoman · 07/08/2025 08:56

SharonEllis · 07/08/2025 08:06

I've been a member of the Labour Party since the 80s. He was a joke fringe figure. He used to turn up to a lot of demos, gave the same speech everywhere. But he didn't really do anything. He barely did any committee work, never been a shadow minister, or responsible for a bill. Even some of the causes he supported like anti apartheid and Irish nationalism were a bit wary of him because he wasnt a very effective ally. I think its a mistake to see him as a connection to Labour history. I think he is very much of his time. Old school working class Labour like my family would not see him as connected to them in any way. He's typical of a type of middle class socialist with luxury beliefs. I am confident Attlee, Bevin and that generation would have loathed his self indulgence and lack of patriotism. Apparently he's a good constituency MP. Well so he bloody well should be. Its his job.

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Thank you! Very well said.

Sharptonguedwoman · 07/08/2025 08:55

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/08/2025 01:00

I’ve signed up.

Ohhhhhh Jeremee Corbyn.

So refreshing to have some around from the proper left wing.

Votef Labour all my life but Corbyn may well receive my next vote.

He's too old.
Lost a few elections.
I think you can have principles and policies but actually being in government is very different.

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JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 08:54

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 08:53

How is remembering Hiroshima and condemning Israeli actions in Gaza, working against our interests?

Esp when Corbyn isn't or leader nor will he be, he'll be 80yo by the time of the next GE.

The former Tory Govt really work against all our interests, no thread from you on that was there?

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Well what would you conclude if somebody who wanted to lead a country and its citizens could hardly bear to acknowledge any history sympathetic to us, but practically foamed at the mouth to repeatedly relive anything that wasn’t?

I don’t know any other country leader that does this, unless you do?

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SharonEllis · 07/08/2025 08:53

summerskyblue · 07/08/2025 08:45

You think it is wrong for a party leader to be aware of and comment on worldwide issues?

Or that if someone cares about children dying in Gaza then it proves they 'don't care about the UK'?

That's a bizarre logic.

I am not his biggest fan but I can't see anything wrong about posting on social media about Gaza and Hiroshima.

That's not logic at all and not what the op said.

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 08:53

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 08:20

Because I think the leader of the UK shouldn’t be heavily invested in working against our interests in the name of suicidal empathy.

I don’t support Reform so that’s irrelevant to me.

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How is remembering Hiroshima and condemning Israeli actions in Gaza, working against our interests?

Esp when Corbyn isn't or leader nor will he be, he'll be 80yo by the time of the next GE.

The former Tory Govt really work against all our interests, no thread from you on that was there?

Bruisername · 07/08/2025 08:51

thepariscrimefiles · 07/08/2025 08:43

He isn't going to become PM. He got very near to it in 2017 due to Theresa May's woeful election campaign. However, he could certainly facilitate the election of a Reform government due to splitting the left-wing vote.

He has always been a passionate advocate for Palestinians, ever since he became an MP in 1983. He isn't really my cup of tea as I found him tetchy and' holier than thou' and I don't think he is particularly intelligent (unlike John McDonnell who I much preferred).

He is free to advocate for the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank as he doesn't care about keeping the USA/Trump as an ally. He is a pacifist which has always been viewed with suspicion and would want to unilaterally give up the UK's nuclear weapons and would immediately stop selling arms to Israel.

I don't think that he despises Britain. He just has a very different vision for the UK than other politicians. I wouldn't vote for his party, unless I needed to vote tactically to keep Reform out. However, I doubt that his new party will put up a candidate in my constituency, a former Red Wall seat.

He is obviously a good constituency MP as he was voted in when he stood as an Independent candidate after being expelled from the Labour party.

I am unfortunate enough to be his constituent and I think the reason he got back in was because Labour fielded completely the wrong candidate and put people’s backs up. They are going to have to do a lot better picking a candidate at the next election.

momentum were the only people who knocked on my door during the campaign and were very polite but couldn’t answer some of my questions on his position on things. Labour only turned up on my doorstep on election day to ask if I’d voted yet and would I be voting for them

tramtracks · 07/08/2025 08:50

LadyKenya · 07/08/2025 08:30

As usual he is very clear in naming America as the nuke dropping aggressor, yet on 7/7 his post only referenced ‘bombings’ and how ‘all faiths came together’. No mention of the aggressors there, or even that it was an act of terrorism.

Err, they were BRITISH.

Radicalised Muslims from immigrant families. Anti west terrorists.

summerskyblue · 07/08/2025 08:45

You think it is wrong for a party leader to be aware of and comment on worldwide issues?

Or that if someone cares about children dying in Gaza then it proves they 'don't care about the UK'?

That's a bizarre logic.

I am not his biggest fan but I can't see anything wrong about posting on social media about Gaza and Hiroshima.

thepariscrimefiles · 07/08/2025 08:43

He isn't going to become PM. He got very near to it in 2017 due to Theresa May's woeful election campaign. However, he could certainly facilitate the election of a Reform government due to splitting the left-wing vote.

He has always been a passionate advocate for Palestinians, ever since he became an MP in 1983. He isn't really my cup of tea as I found him tetchy and' holier than thou' and I don't think he is particularly intelligent (unlike John McDonnell who I much preferred).

He is free to advocate for the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank as he doesn't care about keeping the USA/Trump as an ally. He is a pacifist which has always been viewed with suspicion and would want to unilaterally give up the UK's nuclear weapons and would immediately stop selling arms to Israel.

I don't think that he despises Britain. He just has a very different vision for the UK than other politicians. I wouldn't vote for his party, unless I needed to vote tactically to keep Reform out. However, I doubt that his new party will put up a candidate in my constituency, a former Red Wall seat.

He is obviously a good constituency MP as he was voted in when he stood as an Independent candidate after being expelled from the Labour party.