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To think Corbyn despises Britain?

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JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 23:19

When I was a bit more ‘sixth form politics’ I used to really like Jeremy Corbyn, thought he was a genuine alternative to fatcats, warmongers and austerity enthusiasts.

Now I’ve grown up a little but still follow him on social media. I’ve become increasingly concerned about his almost obsessive coverage of Gaza, to the exclusion of almost everything else that affects Britain. He posts repeatedly commemorating virtually every event where he perceives Britain to have been an oppressor, while rarely acknowledging the reverse.

Today it’s Hiroshima, and while I don’t think anyone is going to delight in the deaths of civilians regardless of whether they were an ally or not, it just feels at this stage that he actively dislikes Britain and exclusively sympathises with anyone who was/is against us. As usual he is very clear in naming America as the nuke dropping aggressor, yet on 7/7 his post only referenced ‘bombings’ and how ‘all faiths came together’. No mention of the aggressors there, or even that it was an act of terrorism.

I think he has gone far beyond simply viewing things through a global, objective lens and the thought of him becoming PM (unlikely but you never know) brings me out in a cold sweat.

AIBU?

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TempestTost · 07/08/2025 17:58

I don't know about "hates Britian" I imagine he doesn't think he hates it.

I think he has fallen prey to the left wing idea that anyone who is seen as being higher in a power hierarchy - and they are always simplistic power hierarchies - cannot be really good and is always the baddie. And that anyone lower in the power hierarchy is always good and never a baddie.

And it seems the higher ups can only atone for this through constant confession of wrongdoing.

In these models Britain and the west are always the oppressors, the fact that many other nations have violent, authoritarian, oppressive governments and even cultures sometimes simply doesn't compute.

cramptramp · 07/08/2025 17:54

I think he does too. He’s an odious horrible man.

CurlewKate · 07/08/2025 17:53

Swiftie1878 · 07/08/2025 16:05

Hmmm.. even with his support for the IRA whilst they were bombing us during the Troubles?

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There are many proven smear campaigns against Corbyn. That was one of them.

ArcheryAnnie · 07/08/2025 17:50

tramtracks · 07/08/2025 15:05

It is easy to be a pacifist when your country isn't at risk of invasion or extreme terrorism.

There's a really interesting programme on BBC Sounds called "Sideways", featuring a very impressive Ukranian pacifist and conscientious objector. There have always been pacifists in wartime, and they haven't shirked from dangerous work, either - in WW2, though they wouldn't fight, many were in the front lines in the Friends Ambulance Service.

BurntBroccoli · 07/08/2025 17:42

Swiftie1878 · 07/08/2025 16:05

Hmmm.. even with his support for the IRA whilst they were bombing us during the Troubles?

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Proven smear campaign against Corbyn.
https://revsoc21.uk/2020/01/20/jeremy-corbyn-and-the-ira-smears/Jeremy Corbyn and the IRA smears – rs21 – revolutionary socialism in the 21st century

Jeremy Corbyn and the IRA smears

rs21 - revolutionary socialism in the 21st century

https://revsoc21.uk/2020/01/20/jeremy-corbyn-and-the-ira-smears/

CurlewKate · 07/08/2025 17:22

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 17:07

Thank you for your stunning input!

I’ve seen you on other threads. And I’ve read your OP. That’s all you’re getting.

ToWhitToWhoo · 07/08/2025 17:14

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 23:19

When I was a bit more ‘sixth form politics’ I used to really like Jeremy Corbyn, thought he was a genuine alternative to fatcats, warmongers and austerity enthusiasts.

Now I’ve grown up a little but still follow him on social media. I’ve become increasingly concerned about his almost obsessive coverage of Gaza, to the exclusion of almost everything else that affects Britain. He posts repeatedly commemorating virtually every event where he perceives Britain to have been an oppressor, while rarely acknowledging the reverse.

Today it’s Hiroshima, and while I don’t think anyone is going to delight in the deaths of civilians regardless of whether they were an ally or not, it just feels at this stage that he actively dislikes Britain and exclusively sympathises with anyone who was/is against us. As usual he is very clear in naming America as the nuke dropping aggressor, yet on 7/7 his post only referenced ‘bombings’ and how ‘all faiths came together’. No mention of the aggressors there, or even that it was an act of terrorism.

I think he has gone far beyond simply viewing things through a global, objective lens and the thought of him becoming PM (unlikely but you never know) brings me out in a cold sweat.

AIBU?

No. I think Corbyn isn't up to it (but who is right now?) but I definitely don't think he despises Britain. In fact, I think that like some on the right, though in a different way, he 'wants our country back' without having much practical idea of how to achieve it.

For real contempt for Britain, look nor further than right-wing columnists and influencers fulminating about how Britain is going to hell in a handbasket, and we are the laziest most entitled people in the world, and we need to be more like Trump's America.

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 17:07

CurlewKate · 07/08/2025 16:16

Of course he doesn’t-don’t be silly.

Thank you for your stunning input!

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JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 17:07

Soukmyfalafel · 07/08/2025 16:14

I'm no Jeremy Corbyn fan girl, but I really don't understand what you are banging on about OP. He doesn't come across as hating Britain at all, just recognising that we had a part to play in some of these historical and current issues and we should not forget that.

I find it far more stomach turning when people get patriotic and proud of Britain oppressing people in history. I just find it odd that you would be proud of other people's suffering.

I do think this new party is a result of removing the whip from MPs who seem to actually want to defend the rights of their constituents. It baffles me, as to me, this is not a show of strength, just a desperate attempt to keep your MPs in line. I was angry when this happened to my MP - he is a good MP for his constituents - but that seems to be less important than doing as you are told. I've lost any respect for Labour because of this. It's weak.

But he only ever acknowledges the pain and suffering of other countries. Why lead a country you’re so ashamed of when you don’t have the public’s best interests at heart?

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CurlewKate · 07/08/2025 16:16

Of course he doesn’t-don’t be silly.

Soukmyfalafel · 07/08/2025 16:14

I'm no Jeremy Corbyn fan girl, but I really don't understand what you are banging on about OP. He doesn't come across as hating Britain at all, just recognising that we had a part to play in some of these historical and current issues and we should not forget that.

I find it far more stomach turning when people get patriotic and proud of Britain oppressing people in history. I just find it odd that you would be proud of other people's suffering.

I do think this new party is a result of removing the whip from MPs who seem to actually want to defend the rights of their constituents. It baffles me, as to me, this is not a show of strength, just a desperate attempt to keep your MPs in line. I was angry when this happened to my MP - he is a good MP for his constituents - but that seems to be less important than doing as you are told. I've lost any respect for Labour because of this. It's weak.

HRTQueen · 07/08/2025 16:13

or inviting ex ira prisoners to the HOP just weeks after the Brighton Bombing

that was utterly disgraceful I think people forget (regardless of how you feel about the ira and the thatcher led government of the time) this was an attack on our democracy

the man is an agitator

SharonEllis · 07/08/2025 16:12

BurntBroccoli · 07/08/2025 14:58

I’ve signed up too!
There is nothing wrong with being a pacifist. Jeremy Corbyn has always been on the right side of history.

Not at all. He jumped on bandwagons that were on their way and has been very much on the wrong side on lots of things, most recently antisemitism.

PandoraSocks · 07/08/2025 16:10

Wrong thread, apologies.

Swiftie1878 · 07/08/2025 16:05

BurntBroccoli · 07/08/2025 14:58

I’ve signed up too!
There is nothing wrong with being a pacifist. Jeremy Corbyn has always been on the right side of history.

Hmmm.. even with his support for the IRA whilst they were bombing us during the Troubles?

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 16:02

tramtracks · 07/08/2025 15:05

It is easy to be a pacifist when your country isn't at risk of invasion or extreme terrorism.

Absolutely

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tramtracks · 07/08/2025 15:05

BurntBroccoli · 07/08/2025 14:58

I’ve signed up too!
There is nothing wrong with being a pacifist. Jeremy Corbyn has always been on the right side of history.

It is easy to be a pacifist when your country isn't at risk of invasion or extreme terrorism.

tramtracks · 07/08/2025 15:03

Dappy777 · 07/08/2025 14:22

It isn't just Corbyn. Most left-wing people hate Britain. They especially hate England. And they've taught us to hate it as well. I often wonder who they think would go and fight if Britain was ever attacked, because I certainly wouldn't.

Why wouldn't you?

If Russia invade, say Poland and then Finland, would you be willing to step up and help defend these countries or would you be happy under another country's rule.

BurntBroccoli · 07/08/2025 14:58

I’ve signed up too!
There is nothing wrong with being a pacifist. Jeremy Corbyn has always been on the right side of history.

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 14:57

NoSoupForU · 07/08/2025 14:55

Ask him. But it would be entirely pointless because that was then and this is now.

I'm not left wing. I'm not especially anything really. It's fine to dislike someone's politics. I dislike plenty myself. But base your dislike on something tangible rather than basing it on your own assumptions.

Just as pointless as condemning something which is so long ago everyone involved is dead?

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NoSoupForU · 07/08/2025 14:55

JamesMacGill · 07/08/2025 14:08

I would love to know what negotiations Corbyn would’ve used to end WW2. Total capitulation to the axis forces perhaps?

Ask him. But it would be entirely pointless because that was then and this is now.

I'm not left wing. I'm not especially anything really. It's fine to dislike someone's politics. I dislike plenty myself. But base your dislike on something tangible rather than basing it on your own assumptions.

thepariscrimefiles · 07/08/2025 14:54

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2025 14:38

The left also opposed Hitler and many went to fight against the Fascists in Spain.

The right wing have been in power for most the post war period & the last 14 years shows what they think of the UK, they have wrecked the country, nothing works anymore... We can all see this.

Meanwhile they have enriched themselves beyond belief.

Seems to me the 'left hate what the UK has become, the 'right are happy to continue the asset strip.

I agree. We all saw how Conservatives reacted to a crisis like the Covid 19 pandemic. They used the VIP lane to enrich themselves and their wealthy cronies by giving them million pound contracts for absolutely useless unusable PPE which cost lives and money. They should be in jail. Hopefully some of them will be once the outcomes and recommendations of the official Covid 19 enquiry are released.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 07/08/2025 14:50

TheStateofRoads · 07/08/2025 14:10

600k are desperate to call his party Party McPartyface.

Good one 👍

thepariscrimefiles · 07/08/2025 14:48

Dappy777 · 07/08/2025 14:22

It isn't just Corbyn. Most left-wing people hate Britain. They especially hate England. And they've taught us to hate it as well. I often wonder who they think would go and fight if Britain was ever attacked, because I certainly wouldn't.

Well that's load of bollocks. I can't remember seeing loads of threads from Labour/Lib Dem/Green supporting posters threatening to leave the UK when the Conservatives were in power for 14 years.

Labour have been in power for 12 months and there is pretty much a weekly thread from right-wing high earners threatening to leaving the UK because they they resent the amount of tax they pay. They are particularly incensed about the changes to non-dom status and inheritance tax.

BIossomtoes · 07/08/2025 14:45

Why would anyone attack Britain anyway? What on earth would any other country gain from doing so?