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SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:25

Hi everyone, I just need to get something off my chest and maybe hear some outside perspectives because I’m really struggling with how I'm feeling at the moment.
For context, over the years we’ve been on a few family holidays that included myself, my husband and our kids, my in-laws (his parents), and my husband’s sister and her family. While we’ve generally had good times but it's not always been 'perfect'. My husband and his sister parent very differently, and that’s caused a few minor issues in the past. Things like me saying yes to our kids having an ice cream and her saying no to hers – which then leads to meltdowns and somehow becomes our fault. Nothing huge, just little clashes now and then.
However, the last holiday we went on together a few years ago ended badly. After a minor issue about splashing in the pool, my sister-in-law completely lost it with my husband in front of everyone – shouting that he’s a rubbish parent, that I’m lazy, and even saying her kids are scared of him. It was really awful. She accused him of “puffing out his chest trying to be the big man” which couldn’t have been further from the truth. He stood silently and in shock, didn’t react, and just walked away and was actually gutted about what she said and they way she said it in front of everyone. It felt to me like it came from years of built-up resentment she hadn’t addressed. I still get quite emotional thinking about it.
After that, both my husband and his sister (separately) told their parents that they wouldn’t be doing any more big family holidays – the tension was too much. We cancelled the holiday we had already booked for the following year. We didn’t speak at all for months, but eventually we got to a place where we could be civil again. Things are ok now but nothing like before.
Now on to my problem... my sister-in-law recently booked a family holiday and invited my in-laws who agreed to going with them. They’ve all gone away together – and we weren’t even considered. Not even a message or conversation to see how we felt about it. My MIL only told us after it was already booked. I know we said we wouldn’t do joint holidays again, and truthfully we probably would’ve said no anyway. But to not even be included in the discussion – especially after working to be civil again – feels like a slap in the face. I wouldn't even consider asking my in laws to come on a holiday with us because I wouldn't want to put them in an awkward situation and I wouldn't want to put my nieces and nephews in a position where they would feel excluded.
I’m heartbroken for my kids, who now see their grandparents and cousins on a holiday without them. It feels like such a massive step backwards for our family, like we’re being pushed out. I just can’t shake the feeling of being excluded and like we don’t matter. I've cried multiple times since they went last week.
Am I being unreasonable to be so upset about it or do I just need to get a grip?

OP posts:
SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:53

VintageDiamondGirl · 06/08/2025 11:38

But both sister and brother said no more family holidays. So how did this one come about? There must have been numerous conversations about this holiday. I wonder how the parents in law really feel about it? Might it be that SIL actually took PIL on holiday?

MIL in law has told me that she is upset about the whole situation (a bit like me) but doesn't want to say no to her daughter which i get. She said either way someone was going to be upset and she was in a no win situation

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Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 11:52

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:50

They didn't take anyone's side. Just said they were upset that it happened. They have told us they'd go away with us if we invited them so no issue there. On reflection I think we didn't consider a holiday with PIL's and not SIL's family as we wouldn't want to bring it to the forefront again just as we were all civil. SIL obviously doesn't see a problem. I feel that I'm upset about the fall out and she's not which again is fine. I see this is a 'me' issue now

You’re not going to get the former closeness back.

you went on holiday and it showed up that you aren’t compatible, that your core parenting values and behaviours don’t align.

I doubt it’ll ever be the same again, I’m sorry.

pinkdelight · 06/08/2025 11:52

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:44

I absolutely see the irony with what i said here. Perhaps this is why we don't see eye to eye!

Agreed! And hence it's definitely not a good idea to have the conversation about what happened. No idea why you'd want that to blight the relationship further. It's not like you've come around to her way of thinking so why d'you think she'd have come around to yours? No good can come of raking it up again.

WhenInRomeDoAsTheRomansDo · 06/08/2025 11:51

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 11:44

I hate the not clearing up after a communal meal and let’s just sit and chat thing. Because in my experience it means it doesn’t get done fairly and it ends up being me who does it. And it would really piss me off 🤣. It would only ever happen once though, especially if I was the cook, and the people concerned would get a flea in their ear. And if it happened a 2nd time, I wouldn’t be going on holiday with them ever ever again.

I had two family holidays that were disasters. One where I carried the bulk of the domestic chores and ran after my kids when my in laws had no kids and one of them was where the in law bought all round them for their one child and we had more than one and couldn’t do the same for ours and their parenting was so different from ours it was clear we weren’t in the same page.

it pissed me right off so never again.

what I did do, though, was holiday with the parents. Just not the siblings.

I suspect this may be one of the root causes. SIL may have got to the point of being fed up with a repeated pattern of behaviour. The OP has brushed away the SILs feelings as her being difficult but it would be interesting to hear her side.

Reconciliation won't happen unless they have an honest conversation which it sounds like they won't do. So they are stuck with this new dynamic.

Plus it sounds like SIL has found a solution that works much better for her family and her parents so unlikely to risk another holiday fall out.

McSpoot · 06/08/2025 11:51

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:46

I think maybe a conversation would have opened up for us to talk about what actually happened. I think that's what I was hoping for

What’s stopping you from reaching to have the conversation that you want? You cannot blame them for opening a conversation that you’ve not opened.

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 11:50

BlueEyedBogWitch · 06/08/2025 11:49

I get it.

Your SIL behaved badly, yet you’re the ones that are missing out.

On the face of it SIL and PILs aren’t doing anything wrong by holidaying together, but I imagine there’s a creeping sense of injustice that you’ve ended up the ones being excluded in the end.

From your comments on this thread you sound like a self aware and reasonable person, so I’m going to say YANBU. In families it’s often the unreasonable ones that end up ‘winning’.

Did the SIL behave badly? I’m sure she has a different perspective. And there’s nothing stopping the OP inviting the in laws on holiday?

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:50

thepariscrimefiles · 06/08/2025 11:35

Did your PILs take your SIL's side in the argument with your DH? Do you think that if your DH invited your PILs on a holiday with your family they would come?

Could you go on holiday with your family?

They didn't take anyone's side. Just said they were upset that it happened. They have told us they'd go away with us if we invited them so no issue there. On reflection I think we didn't consider a holiday with PIL's and not SIL's family as we wouldn't want to bring it to the forefront again just as we were all civil. SIL obviously doesn't see a problem. I feel that I'm upset about the fall out and she's not which again is fine. I see this is a 'me' issue now

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DappledThings · 06/08/2025 11:50

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:46

I think maybe a conversation would have opened up for us to talk about what actually happened. I think that's what I was hoping for

I think that's a crazy expectation I'm afraid. A decision has been made for everyone to move on and holiday seperately in the future. I don't think anyone else wants to rehash an old argument.

Topseyt123 · 06/08/2025 11:49

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:46

I think maybe a conversation would have opened up for us to talk about what actually happened. I think that's what I was hoping for

Surely the time to discuss that is not when a holiday is being planned? It should be on a totally separate occasion.

I doubt such a conversation would go well anyway and the whole thing is better left in the past, not dredged up again and rehashed.

BlueEyedBogWitch · 06/08/2025 11:49

I get it.

Your SIL behaved badly, yet you’re the ones that are missing out.

On the face of it SIL and PILs aren’t doing anything wrong by holidaying together, but I imagine there’s a creeping sense of injustice that you’ve ended up the ones being excluded in the end.

From your comments on this thread you sound like a self aware and reasonable person, so I’m going to say YANBU. In families it’s often the unreasonable ones that end up ‘winning’.

Saltandpepperlife · 06/08/2025 11:48

We have a similar situation with a sibling and their partner. We still invite my parents to holidays/dinners/events and don’t ask sibling and their family. If they want to do similar and invite my parents without my family then they can, I couldn’t care less about not being invited as I don't even want to spend 1 minute in their company.
Not everything needs to stop just because some of us can’t be together in those situations anymore.

zingally · 06/08/2025 11:47

You can't have it both ways. You said no more family holidays, and they're taking you at your word.

I get that there's likely a lot more at play here than just the holiday, but YABU.

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 11:47

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:46

I think maybe a conversation would have opened up for us to talk about what actually happened. I think that's what I was hoping for

And do you think that conversation about what happened would have gone well?

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:46

DappledThings · 06/08/2025 11:34

But you wanted a conversation where you were reminded you weren't going to be invited before they went ahead and didn't invite you?

I think maybe a conversation would have opened up for us to talk about what actually happened. I think that's what I was hoping for

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Sunflower1667 · 06/08/2025 11:44

Even if you all got on and went in family holidays your sil is still entitled to go away on holiday with her parents and not invite you. You’re being completely unreasonable

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 11:44

WhenInRomeDoAsTheRomansDo · 06/08/2025 11:38

What did she say about your husband? you said that SIL said he puffed his chest out, what could she be referring to, because its quite a specific comment.

The not clearing up after a communal meal can be irritating. If you're in your own home then it's fine you go at your own speed but if you're sharing with a group then it's another job that needs to be done potentially by someone else if its just sitting there cluttering up the sides and you're not making a move to do it.

I can see that would be a source of tension. When sharing a space with others we do have to compromise in how we normally do things so the house keeps on track, especially with lots of kids in the mix. She could have been thinking you were waiting for someone else to step in and do it, hence why she called you lazy. Have you done that in the past?

I hate the not clearing up after a communal meal and let’s just sit and chat thing. Because in my experience it means it doesn’t get done fairly and it ends up being me who does it. And it would really piss me off 🤣. It would only ever happen once though, especially if I was the cook, and the people concerned would get a flea in their ear. And if it happened a 2nd time, I wouldn’t be going on holiday with them ever ever again.

I had two family holidays that were disasters. One where I carried the bulk of the domestic chores and ran after my kids when my in laws had no kids and one of them was where the in law bought all round them for their one child and we had more than one and couldn’t do the same for ours and their parenting was so different from ours it was clear we weren’t in the same page.

it pissed me right off so never again.

what I did do, though, was holiday with the parents. Just not the siblings.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:44

pinkdelight · 06/08/2025 11:33

She thinks that everyone should be like her.

And you're upset because "she's done something you wouldn't do".

I absolutely see the irony with what i said here. Perhaps this is why we don't see eye to eye!

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Clarasmum444 · 06/08/2025 11:43

If it makes you feel any better my own parent go on holiday twice a year with my sister and her family but DD and I have never been invited once!
If you would have said no anyway then I wouldn't get worked up about it.

MyMilchick · 06/08/2025 11:42

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:12

I think what I wanted was just a conversation before it was booked (definitely not an invite!). Something along the lines of 'After last time we all agreed not to go on holiday as a big family but we are going to invite mum and dad away with us'. Perhaps it's the lack of conversation that's bothering me it was just booked. I thought we were in a place where we could at least talk about it but I do understand that they owe me nothing and I am being dramatic about it. I think it's just brought back to me that we are not close like we used to be and that's what has upset me

They don't need to run their holiday plans passed you first. Did you contact them to tell them you were booking holidays before you did?

dogcatkitten · 06/08/2025 11:40

Those sort of holidays are prone to be a disaster, too many people's opinions and preferences to allow for. Add in parents and children with different parenting styles, no wonder it went bang. Just be glad you weren't invited this time! If you want your children to interact with their cousins invite them for a day. You now know you can go away with the ILs without offending anyone if the other family aren't invited and you didn't have to do it first, so win win.

Topseyt123 · 06/08/2025 11:39

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:07

We are going on our own family holiday

OK, that's great. So I am not sure what the actual issue is.

It sounds as though it is better if your family and SIL's holiday separately for now as you are incompatible and there would be a lot of tensions. Both sides have seemed to recognise this and agreed (independently) that separate holidays are the way forward from now onwards.

SIL is free to invite her parents to come on her family holiday if she wishes and they can choose whether to go or not. You and your DH are also free to invite them on your family holiday, and again, your PILs are free to choose whether to come or not.

There's no need to get so het up about not being invited on a holiday that you have said that you wouldn't have wanted to go on. Everyone knew/knows that separate holidays are better going forward. Reframe it that way in your mind. Then maybe you will see that there really is no need for all of this upset at all. Nobody has really done anything wrong.

Just go and enjoy your separate holidays. Invite PILs with you next year, but accept whatever decision they make too as they aren't pawns to be pushed back and forth either. They make their own decisions.

VintageDiamondGirl · 06/08/2025 11:38

But both sister and brother said no more family holidays. So how did this one come about? There must have been numerous conversations about this holiday. I wonder how the parents in law really feel about it? Might it be that SIL actually took PIL on holiday?

WhenInRomeDoAsTheRomansDo · 06/08/2025 11:38

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:27

This has made me think and perhaps in a small way it may be true. She called me 'lazy' but I don't consider myself lazy at all. This comment was made as I didn't immediately get up and start washing up after a meal. I'd prefer to let my food go down and talk for a while after eating. She thinks that everyone should be like her. With regards to the comments about my husband i'd say they were absolutely not true - I wouldn't be married to him if they were! Again, its obviously her opinion of him and that's why we don't see eye to eye on things some of the time. I think my feelings are more about the unresolved root cause of all of this. We have never spoke about the blow up on holiday. we just gave it time and swept it under the carpet. Although we are different I do miss our previous closeness.

What did she say about your husband? you said that SIL said he puffed his chest out, what could she be referring to, because its quite a specific comment.

The not clearing up after a communal meal can be irritating. If you're in your own home then it's fine you go at your own speed but if you're sharing with a group then it's another job that needs to be done potentially by someone else if its just sitting there cluttering up the sides and you're not making a move to do it.

I can see that would be a source of tension. When sharing a space with others we do have to compromise in how we normally do things so the house keeps on track, especially with lots of kids in the mix. She could have been thinking you were waiting for someone else to step in and do it, hence why she called you lazy. Have you done that in the past?

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 11:38

I really don’t understand what you want out of this. If they’d told you about it it would have been so awkward. What would you have said?

“we are planning to take mum and dad on holiday”

and you say? What?

what’s the resentment she holds about? Do you think it might have some basis in truth?

NebulousWhistler · 06/08/2025 11:35

You actually want to go on holiday with your In Laws? You’re a better woman than I am!!

I voted YABU