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SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:25

Hi everyone, I just need to get something off my chest and maybe hear some outside perspectives because I’m really struggling with how I'm feeling at the moment.
For context, over the years we’ve been on a few family holidays that included myself, my husband and our kids, my in-laws (his parents), and my husband’s sister and her family. While we’ve generally had good times but it's not always been 'perfect'. My husband and his sister parent very differently, and that’s caused a few minor issues in the past. Things like me saying yes to our kids having an ice cream and her saying no to hers – which then leads to meltdowns and somehow becomes our fault. Nothing huge, just little clashes now and then.
However, the last holiday we went on together a few years ago ended badly. After a minor issue about splashing in the pool, my sister-in-law completely lost it with my husband in front of everyone – shouting that he’s a rubbish parent, that I’m lazy, and even saying her kids are scared of him. It was really awful. She accused him of “puffing out his chest trying to be the big man” which couldn’t have been further from the truth. He stood silently and in shock, didn’t react, and just walked away and was actually gutted about what she said and they way she said it in front of everyone. It felt to me like it came from years of built-up resentment she hadn’t addressed. I still get quite emotional thinking about it.
After that, both my husband and his sister (separately) told their parents that they wouldn’t be doing any more big family holidays – the tension was too much. We cancelled the holiday we had already booked for the following year. We didn’t speak at all for months, but eventually we got to a place where we could be civil again. Things are ok now but nothing like before.
Now on to my problem... my sister-in-law recently booked a family holiday and invited my in-laws who agreed to going with them. They’ve all gone away together – and we weren’t even considered. Not even a message or conversation to see how we felt about it. My MIL only told us after it was already booked. I know we said we wouldn’t do joint holidays again, and truthfully we probably would’ve said no anyway. But to not even be included in the discussion – especially after working to be civil again – feels like a slap in the face. I wouldn't even consider asking my in laws to come on a holiday with us because I wouldn't want to put them in an awkward situation and I wouldn't want to put my nieces and nephews in a position where they would feel excluded.
I’m heartbroken for my kids, who now see their grandparents and cousins on a holiday without them. It feels like such a massive step backwards for our family, like we’re being pushed out. I just can’t shake the feeling of being excluded and like we don’t matter. I've cried multiple times since they went last week.
Am I being unreasonable to be so upset about it or do I just need to get a grip?

OP posts:
SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:03

feathermucker · 06/08/2025 14:52

Heartbroken and crying multiple times? Because of something you told them you wouldn’t be doing anyway?

Yes, you need to get a grip. Kindly.

I see this now

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ForZanyAquaViewer · 06/08/2025 15:02

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 14:58

It’s hard to think of specific examples but they are cheeky as in they crack jokes often, and are quite witty and comical (in my opinion). I’m sure that SIL would see them as ‘rude’ and needing to be ‘put in place’ though. One of DC dies have a tendency to keep going with things which is why my DH felt he should remove her from the pool.

So, this really comes across as your kids being b poorly behaved while you do nothing about it and think they’re hilarious.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:02

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 14:58

Why didn’t your husband get your dd out of the pool right away?

Splashing someone who doesn’t want to be is a horrible thing to do.

and I can totally see why if that’s what you think of as cheeky but funny, coupled with different rules around food and clearing up, SIL and BIL have had enough.

He did remove her from the pool. He then told her that if she chose to do it again she’s have to come out again (for a longer period of time) and it won’t be worth it. Sorry if that’s not how I explained it previously. Yes I believe that SIL and BIL were at the end of their tether with us. It’s just a shame we couldn’t have spoken instead

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Helpmeplease2025 · 06/08/2025 15:01

I think my DC are on the whole pretty good. They are cheeky but funny with it.

😬

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 14:58

Why didn’t your husband get your dd out of the pool right away?

Splashing someone who doesn’t want to be is a horrible thing to do.

and I can totally see why if that’s what you think of as cheeky but funny, coupled with different rules around food and clearing up, SIL and BIL have had enough.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 14:58

1AngelicFruitCake · 06/08/2025 14:47

Not meaning to sound rude, just trying to understand but ‘cheeky but funny with it’ - have you examples of this?
Your husband saying it’s not worth it could come across like if you didn’t have to sit out then upsetting your cousin would be worth it.
When you think back do your children tend to keep going with things such as the splashing and as their cousins are slightly older they have to humour them?

It’s hard to think of specific examples but they are cheeky as in they crack jokes often, and are quite witty and comical (in my opinion). I’m sure that SIL would see them as ‘rude’ and needing to be ‘put in place’ though. One of DC dies have a tendency to keep going with things which is why my DH felt he should remove her from the pool.

OP posts:
Notsosure1 · 06/08/2025 14:55

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:04

Sorry i don' think i explained very well. I didn't want an invite - I just wanted our feelings to be considered but after reading these replies I can see I'm being unreasonable feeling hurt

To be considered how?

I thought from your post you were hurt they didn’t invite you despite you saying you most likely wouldn’t go, and said you’d never go, to them before. But now you’re saying you’re hurt bc they chose to go without you. It would be insane if it was regarding your own parents, but your PIL??

Entitled.

ColinOfficeTrolley · 06/08/2025 14:54

'cheeky but funny with it'

😬

feathermucker · 06/08/2025 14:52

Heartbroken and crying multiple times? Because of something you told them you wouldn’t be doing anyway?

Yes, you need to get a grip. Kindly.

diddl · 06/08/2025 14:50

My DD splashed my DNephew who didn’t like it and asked her to stop (absolutely understand) but my DD did it again. DH said to DD ‘Come on you need to sit out for 5 minutes if you’re going to keep splashing DNephew. If you do it again you’ll be out for longer so it’s not worth it’ As in missing out on pool time is not worth it for the sake of splashing someone. SIL’s husband then went to SIL who was inside and told her that DH said ‘get out he’s (DNephew) not worth it’ which wasnt the case. She believed her DH as she had no reason not too.

I actually think your husband should have taken your daughter straight out of the pool.

Your BIL seems to have reached with his "understanding" of the situation but I can see why SIL had had enough.

Shame she didn't start by apologising for shouting in front of everyone.

1AngelicFruitCake · 06/08/2025 14:47

Not meaning to sound rude, just trying to understand but ‘cheeky but funny with it’ - have you examples of this?
Your husband saying it’s not worth it could come across like if you didn’t have to sit out then upsetting your cousin would be worth it.
When you think back do your children tend to keep going with things such as the splashing and as their cousins are slightly older they have to humour them?

JustSawJohnny · 06/08/2025 14:45

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 14:29

I’m really not sure what her parenting style is. (I don’t follow a style- I just wing it!) I find it confusing. She seems to very much follow the ‘gentle parenting’ style but will often shout at her kids and then tells the off if they shout back. When she does this it’s hard to watch. I think her children find it confusing but that’s just my opinion. She also encourages my DC to ‘open up’ and says ‘you can always talk to me if you need to’ (I’m glad my DC have the option to do this if there’s something they don’t want to talk about with me or DH) but I’ve asked if my Dniece was ok before as she seemed quiet and her reply was ‘Mum told me I’m not allowed to talk about it. She’s already giving me death stares’ I’ve always felt it’s one rule for them and another for everyone else. I think my DC are on the whole pretty good. They are cheeky but funny with it. I feel that SIL thinks my DC are awful though!

Sounds like a WHOLE lot of deflection!

She sounds like a frustrated parent (aren't we all, at times?) who is overly judgemental of your parenting because she feels it somehow 'shows her up', especially if your kids do as they are told or either of you show consistency in your approach - exactly what she fails to do, by the sounds of it.

You're better off distanced, I think. She clearly has some kind of grudge and is happy to throw allegations around that are harmful, which you obviously shouldn't put up with.

It's really good that you still have a relationship with their kids and honestly, the fact that she will drop her kids off and leave them with you after all this tells you exactly how 'harmful' she finds her brother's parenting! As in, she doesn't!

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 14:29

JustSawJohnny · 06/08/2025 14:19

Let me guess, she's a 'Let's not do that, darling' parent who has never raised her voice at her child, whereas DH is a typical Dad who occasionally barks?

Whose kids are better behaved, out of interest?

I’m really not sure what her parenting style is. (I don’t follow a style- I just wing it!) I find it confusing. She seems to very much follow the ‘gentle parenting’ style but will often shout at her kids and then tells the off if they shout back. When she does this it’s hard to watch. I think her children find it confusing but that’s just my opinion. She also encourages my DC to ‘open up’ and says ‘you can always talk to me if you need to’ (I’m glad my DC have the option to do this if there’s something they don’t want to talk about with me or DH) but I’ve asked if my Dniece was ok before as she seemed quiet and her reply was ‘Mum told me I’m not allowed to talk about it. She’s already giving me death stares’ I’ve always felt it’s one rule for them and another for everyone else. I think my DC are on the whole pretty good. They are cheeky but funny with it. I feel that SIL thinks my DC are awful though!

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Teasloth · 06/08/2025 14:26

You're crying over someone going on holiday that you wouldn't want to go with anyway...

I don't get it I'm afraid.

If I were the sil I'd just think you were a massive drama queen

No one is 'left out'. Book your own holiday?!!!

JustSawJohnny · 06/08/2025 14:19

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 12:30

I don't believe for a minute they are scared of my DH. They have no reason to be. My DNiece called the other day to ask if she could come round to ours to play (which of course we said yes to) and SIL dropped her round. I don't know why she said it

Edited

Let me guess, she's a 'Let's not do that, darling' parent who has never raised her voice at her child, whereas DH is a typical Dad who occasionally barks?

Whose kids are better behaved, out of interest?

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 14:16

PrincessASDaisy · 06/08/2025 12:58

‘After a minor issue about splashing in the pool’ 😬 I’d love to hear the other perspective on this. Growing up we had an aunt that spoiled her kids and let them run wild. She thought everything was ‘minor’ to. Her youngest especially was a bratty child and he’s now a bratty adult.

In my opinion it was minor. My DD splashed my DNephew who didn’t like it and asked her to stop (absolutely understand) but my DD did it again. DH said to DD ‘Come on you need to sit out for 5 minutes if you’re going to keep splashing DNephew. If you do it again you’ll be out for longer so it’s not worth it’ As in missing out on pool time is not worth it for the sake of splashing someone. SIL’s husband then went to SIL who was inside and told her that DH said ‘get out he’s (DNephew) not worth it’ which wasnt the case. She believed her DH as she had no reason not too. I still don’t know why BIL did this. Again another thing that didn’t get spoken about by anyone

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Bollihobs · 06/08/2025 14:13

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:46

I think maybe a conversation would have opened up for us to talk about what actually happened. I think that's what I was hoping for

I think this is a big part of it - the issue has been 'dealt with' by basically being ignored rather than actually addressed so for you at least it's all still unresolved - all the "why's" are unanswered. And now it seems like the other parties have moved on and now there will be no 'sit down and talk about this' moment - but you were still hoping for and needing this. And the realisation that your "happy families" scenario was actually pretty false given SILs rantings is also a disconcerting feeling and again an unresolved one. I think you're at one point with all of this, thought everyone else was there too ie. knowing the issues still needed to be resolved and the holiday plans have shown you that's not the case - SIL is most definitely not wringing her hands and worrying about anything!

It's hard because I doubt the resolution you really want will ever come but there's a lot of good advice and perspective here for you - and so many positives - you and your DH have shown yourselves to be a fantastic team in the face of adversity! Move forward with a well deserved sense of moral superiority over SIL and sod her! And if she tries her crap again come down on her like a ton of bricks!

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 14:09

MargaretThursday · 06/08/2025 14:05

I thought that too.

I suspect the OP wanted to be asked so she could do a big dramatic "no" really, and she's put out at being denied that.

I really didn’t want to give a big dramatic ‘no’. If you read my posts I think I’ve figured out why feeling sad now and it’s not because I don’t get to say ‘No’. Im not like that at all believe it or not

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BunnyLake · 06/08/2025 14:07

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:33

Thank you for your perspective. I think I know I'm being ridiculous really - I just don't know why I'm feeling so upset over it. I guess because they are doing something that I wouldn't do??

I can't understand what your issue is. Your dh don’t want to holiday with his sister anymore and she doesn’t want to holiday with her brother. That is what is happening, so what’s the problem?

MargaretThursday · 06/08/2025 14:05

PrincessASDaisy · 06/08/2025 12:58

‘After a minor issue about splashing in the pool’ 😬 I’d love to hear the other perspective on this. Growing up we had an aunt that spoiled her kids and let them run wild. She thought everything was ‘minor’ to. Her youngest especially was a bratty child and he’s now a bratty adult.

I thought that too.

I suspect the OP wanted to be asked so she could do a big dramatic "no" really, and she's put out at being denied that.

Notfeelinit · 06/08/2025 14:02

I’m so sorry you’re upset OP and wanted to come on to give you a virtual hug.

I can totally relate to your sadness about the situation, family rifts are devastating, no matter the circumstance of who did what/ what he said she said / who was right or wrong. The reality of having a previously close and happy family dynamic blown apart is world shattering. Something similar happened to us a few years ago (not involving us directly but immediate family) and the resulting rift was deep and devastating. We tried tried to encourage bridge building but it was (and still is) very hard. Another rift happened on the other side of the family a year or so later and my DH and I felt like leaves tossed in a storm. We love them so much and they were close before, so it was hard and the grief was real. Time has helped and it is better but nothing like it used to be. I want to encourage you that the pain and difficulty will fade over time and getting together will be different to before, but where there’s love you’ll find a way ❤️‍🩹

To me your post speaks of the grief of loss and how it has impacted your family and all the families involved. Your hurt and desire for them to have spoken to you about the holiday wasn’t because you needed permission, but that you are so upset about all of it and miss the happy and easy going times. Theory eg ‘we won’t be able to holiday together anymore’ is very different to how the reality hit feels. It also cements the rift and opens up that family wound afresh. Just because you agreed you wouldn’t be able to go away all together anymore doesn’t mean it won’t be painful when it happens. I had to bear the grief of a family member who was the uninvited and it was just awful. I felt so helpless because I couldn’t make it better, but just decided to love them all best I could. Love is very disarming and diffusing, deserved or not it is water on a fire.

I hear you though OP, I miss my group family holidays too (and as a mum I miss the times my DC are missing out on that ‘all the family, all together’ thing 😢) it sounds v fresh and raw for you right now. If you are able, try to forgive your SiL. I don’t approve her behaviour but is likely she was frazzled and snapped (holidays with kids are stressful). When you feel more settled maybe try to meet with her 1-to-1 for a coffee or something and try to repair the breach, be the one to hold out the olive branch. You’ve nothing to lose and if you have any love for her, let it show (even if she was in the wrong).

Shambles123 · 06/08/2025 13:47

God, you dodged a bullet. Go on a lovely family holiday where you can relax and parent as you want to. Holidays with relatives are always exhausting.

baileys6904 · 06/08/2025 13:37

Playing devil's advocate, if I was away on holiday with family, and told me kids no to an ice cream ( too close to dinner, had enough treats, whatever) and then their cousins were given one anyway. I can see why that would cause ill feeling and drive me up the wall eventually.

Difference in Parenting styles can cause tensions in close proximity so I can understand how that could be the straw that broke the camels back and not make the sil a bad person.

I lost my brother a good few years ago, and still mourn the fact we'd not been able to do joint holidays or see each other's kids etc. I hope you are able to all move forward from something that sounds like a bit of a melt down in the wake of many more times of good memories.

Moonlightbean123 · 06/08/2025 13:32

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:33

Thank you for your perspective. I think I know I'm being ridiculous really - I just don't know why I'm feeling so upset over it. I guess because they are doing something that I wouldn't do??

Op you're not being ridiculous. You're feeling sensitive and its understandable but on the flip side of this your sil has every right to take her mum and dad on holiday with her.. you're free to do the same. Grandparents do spend time alone with individual grandkids and as long they show the same love back to your kids then don't give it a second thought. Personally I think having an inlaw free holiday sounds like a dream so why dont u see it from that point of view. Let your sil take of her parents and u go and enjoy your time making memories within your kids and hubby.

mumofbun · 06/08/2025 13:26

Could it be possible you are actually upset with your PIL for not telling you about the holiday when it was suggested?