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SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:25

Hi everyone, I just need to get something off my chest and maybe hear some outside perspectives because I’m really struggling with how I'm feeling at the moment.
For context, over the years we’ve been on a few family holidays that included myself, my husband and our kids, my in-laws (his parents), and my husband’s sister and her family. While we’ve generally had good times but it's not always been 'perfect'. My husband and his sister parent very differently, and that’s caused a few minor issues in the past. Things like me saying yes to our kids having an ice cream and her saying no to hers – which then leads to meltdowns and somehow becomes our fault. Nothing huge, just little clashes now and then.
However, the last holiday we went on together a few years ago ended badly. After a minor issue about splashing in the pool, my sister-in-law completely lost it with my husband in front of everyone – shouting that he’s a rubbish parent, that I’m lazy, and even saying her kids are scared of him. It was really awful. She accused him of “puffing out his chest trying to be the big man” which couldn’t have been further from the truth. He stood silently and in shock, didn’t react, and just walked away and was actually gutted about what she said and they way she said it in front of everyone. It felt to me like it came from years of built-up resentment she hadn’t addressed. I still get quite emotional thinking about it.
After that, both my husband and his sister (separately) told their parents that they wouldn’t be doing any more big family holidays – the tension was too much. We cancelled the holiday we had already booked for the following year. We didn’t speak at all for months, but eventually we got to a place where we could be civil again. Things are ok now but nothing like before.
Now on to my problem... my sister-in-law recently booked a family holiday and invited my in-laws who agreed to going with them. They’ve all gone away together – and we weren’t even considered. Not even a message or conversation to see how we felt about it. My MIL only told us after it was already booked. I know we said we wouldn’t do joint holidays again, and truthfully we probably would’ve said no anyway. But to not even be included in the discussion – especially after working to be civil again – feels like a slap in the face. I wouldn't even consider asking my in laws to come on a holiday with us because I wouldn't want to put them in an awkward situation and I wouldn't want to put my nieces and nephews in a position where they would feel excluded.
I’m heartbroken for my kids, who now see their grandparents and cousins on a holiday without them. It feels like such a massive step backwards for our family, like we’re being pushed out. I just can’t shake the feeling of being excluded and like we don’t matter. I've cried multiple times since they went last week.
Am I being unreasonable to be so upset about it or do I just need to get a grip?

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ForZanyAquaViewer · 06/08/2025 15:33

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:30

I’m not crying about the holiday. I’ve realised now that the holiday isn’t the thing I’m upset about

Your SIL and her husband don’t like you and your family very much. Or, at the very least, don’t want to go on holiday with you. That’s all. It’s not an ideal situation, but it’s also not a massive deal. Why this would have you in tears multiple times is genuinely baffling to me.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:32

60cents · 06/08/2025 15:30

OP you've been very gracious, in this thread, most unusual for AIBU.

Focus on your family and on your relationship with in laws. You and Sil's family are simply incompatible and holidaying together with small children for years like that sounds like my idea of hell 😬

Next time invite your PIL to a nice long weekend in a cottage and maybe next year you go with them or you find out that holidaying solo as a family can be bliss.

Your SIL sounds a tiny bit stuck up and you sound a bit laissez faire not a great combination.

Just leave it all be, there is no forcing these things.

If you wanted to patch things up, meet up just with you SIL for a chat but stay away from this topic as nothing good will come of it.

Thank you. I will definitely take this advice

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ForZanyAquaViewer · 06/08/2025 15:31

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:23

I said I assume that SIL would see my DC as rude not funny/cheeky. No one else has ever said they were rude. I also do acknowledge poor behaviour and intervene when needed (removing from the pool for splashing as an example)I think we are at complete opposite ends of the parenting spectrum which makes things difficult. When I said that I wish we could have spoken I meant instead of it getting to the point where SIL lost it with my DH which we haven’t come back from.

I think you should read my comment again as you have not engaged with what it says.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:31

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:25

But the splashing sounds like it was the straw that broke the camels back. Can you see that?

I can yes

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60cents · 06/08/2025 15:30

OP you've been very gracious, in this thread, most unusual for AIBU.

Focus on your family and on your relationship with in laws. You and Sil's family are simply incompatible and holidaying together with small children for years like that sounds like my idea of hell 😬

Next time invite your PIL to a nice long weekend in a cottage and maybe next year you go with them or you find out that holidaying solo as a family can be bliss.

Your SIL sounds a tiny bit stuck up and you sound a bit laissez faire not a great combination.

Just leave it all be, there is no forcing these things.

If you wanted to patch things up, meet up just with you SIL for a chat but stay away from this topic as nothing good will come of it.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:30

BeltaLodaLife · 06/08/2025 15:26

Grow up. Just because you lot can’t get on, you think your in laws shouldn’t be going on holiday with their kids and grandkids? They can holiday with you. No one is stopping you. They can holiday with their daughter. What are you crying about?

I’m not crying about the holiday. I’ve realised now that the holiday isn’t the thing I’m upset about

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SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:28

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:24

Honestly I’m sorry I don’t mean to be sticking the boot in. It’s clear you are reflecting on things. But is it the case that you even subconsciously know there’s been some fault on both sides?

A lot of people do struggle with cheeky but funny. Because it’s just cheeky to them.

I would have gone absolutely postal about the splashing. She would have been told firmly stop that at once the minute it became clear her cousin was upset. And if she had done it again I would have had her straight out of the pool and by the side. Not spending a long time explaining you’ll have to be out longer he/it’s not worth it. Because that’s putting the blame on the cousin. I’d have simply said out. Now. Sit here. And you’re not getting back in until I tell you.

I really do know how hard it is to be on holiday with another family. I’ve done it twice when I was married and laid it down hard to my then husband that I would never be doing it again.

there was just too much of a difference between us, and whilst that didn’t matter for an afternoon visit, being stuck together for a couple of weeks in the same place made it a nightmare.

There has definitely been some fault on both sides. I’m not a natural disciplinarian whereas my SIL
is. I will definitely be looking at ways I can be better. I hadn’t really considered the fact that it may be ‘us’ until today

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BeltaLodaLife · 06/08/2025 15:26

Grow up. Just because you lot can’t get on, you think your in laws shouldn’t be going on holiday with their kids and grandkids? They can holiday with you. No one is stopping you. They can holiday with their daughter. What are you crying about?

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:25

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:23

I said I assume that SIL would see my DC as rude not funny/cheeky. No one else has ever said they were rude. I also do acknowledge poor behaviour and intervene when needed (removing from the pool for splashing as an example)I think we are at complete opposite ends of the parenting spectrum which makes things difficult. When I said that I wish we could have spoken I meant instead of it getting to the point where SIL lost it with my DH which we haven’t come back from.

But the splashing sounds like it was the straw that broke the camels back. Can you see that?

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:24

Honestly I’m sorry I don’t mean to be sticking the boot in. It’s clear you are reflecting on things. But is it the case that you even subconsciously know there’s been some fault on both sides?

A lot of people do struggle with cheeky but funny. Because it’s just cheeky to them.

I would have gone absolutely postal about the splashing. She would have been told firmly stop that at once the minute it became clear her cousin was upset. And if she had done it again I would have had her straight out of the pool and by the side. Not spending a long time explaining you’ll have to be out longer he/it’s not worth it. Because that’s putting the blame on the cousin. I’d have simply said out. Now. Sit here. And you’re not getting back in until I tell you.

I really do know how hard it is to be on holiday with another family. I’ve done it twice when I was married and laid it down hard to my then husband that I would never be doing it again.

there was just too much of a difference between us, and whilst that didn’t matter for an afternoon visit, being stuck together for a couple of weeks in the same place made it a nightmare.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:23

ForZanyAquaViewer · 06/08/2025 15:14

I’m not talking about the splashing. I’m talking about the comment I quoted. You think your kids are ‘cheeky and funny’ (although others think they’re rude), you can’t really remember any examples though, you’re ‘laidback’, one of your kids has a ‘tendency to keep things going’ (but you don’t acknowledge that this is extremely poor behaviour), and so on.

Why do you think your SIL ought to have spoken to you, as opposed to you just making sure your kids weren’t annoying everyone? You were there and could see what was happening, right? You know how your kids behave and could see that nobody else was enjoying their alleged wit as much as you.

I said I assume that SIL would see my DC as rude not funny/cheeky. No one else has ever said they were rude. I also do acknowledge poor behaviour and intervene when needed (removing from the pool for splashing as an example)I think we are at complete opposite ends of the parenting spectrum which makes things difficult. When I said that I wish we could have spoken I meant instead of it getting to the point where SIL lost it with my DH which we haven’t come back from.

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TucanPlay · 06/08/2025 15:16

SIL sounds hard work. I'd rather go on holiday with you, your cheeky kids and a healthy attitude towards the dishes 😂

Gibstub · 06/08/2025 15:16

I would thank my lucky stars I wasn't invited on this holiday. His sister sounds unhinged.

ForZanyAquaViewer · 06/08/2025 15:14

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:07

Neither me or DH agreed with the splashing. We don’t find it funny or cheeky. I’m a pretty laid back parent admittedly but not at the expense of upsetting other people (I don’t think so anyway but yes perhaps SIL thinks differently and was frustrated).either way I wish we could have spoken instead of not blowing it up like it did because it’s now beyond repair

I’m not talking about the splashing. I’m talking about the comment I quoted. You think your kids are ‘cheeky and funny’ (although others think they’re rude), you can’t really remember any examples though, you’re ‘laidback’, one of your kids has a ‘tendency to keep things going’ (but you don’t acknowledge that this is extremely poor behaviour), and so on.

Why do you think your SIL ought to have spoken to you, as opposed to you just making sure your kids weren’t annoying everyone? You were there and could see what was happening, right? You know how your kids behave and could see that nobody else was enjoying their alleged wit as much as you.

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:14

Helpmeplease2025 · 06/08/2025 15:12

It’s not just the splashing though, it’s the build up of everything. Plus you leave dishes. They like it tidied. That’s hard when you’re all sharing a space.

Cheeky kids in a group is extra hard work. Funny doesn’t mean it’s okay. It’s grating. DN is a PFB single child and is treated like this. Even my DM finds him hard work. It’s not cute, we might laugh awkwardly in their presences, but really it’s just easier when he’s not there. It’s awkward when there’s a massive parenting style gap. Really, it’s just everyday differences, but all these things are magnified when you’re on holiday for a length of time together, in close quarters.

They’ve drawn the lines, you can continue being civil, they don’t need to holiday with you.

Edited

I agree with this.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:14

Helpmeplease2025 · 06/08/2025 15:12

It’s not just the splashing though, it’s the build up of everything. Plus you leave dishes. They like it tidied. That’s hard when you’re all sharing a space.

Cheeky kids in a group is extra hard work. Funny doesn’t mean it’s okay. It’s grating. DN is a PFB single child and is treated like this. Even my DM finds him hard work. It’s not cute, we might laugh awkwardly in their presences, but really it’s just easier when he’s not there. It’s awkward when there’s a massive parenting style gap. Really, it’s just everyday differences, but all these things are magnified when you’re on holiday for a length of time together, in close quarters.

They’ve drawn the lines, you can continue being civil, they don’t need to holiday with you.

Edited

I understand that now. Perhaps we are the problem here. I will definitely be doing some reflecting off the back of the replies that I’ve received

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SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:12

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:09

So why didn’t you or your DH tick her off hard enough after the first time that she didn’t do it again?

other people will never have the tolerance for your kids bad behaviour that you do.

He dealt with it as quickly as possible. She had already splashed again before he could say anything

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Helpmeplease2025 · 06/08/2025 15:12

It’s not just the splashing though, it’s the build up of everything. Plus you leave dishes. They like it tidied. That’s hard when you’re all sharing a space.

Cheeky kids in a group is extra hard work. Funny doesn’t mean it’s okay. It’s grating. DN is a PFB single child and is treated like this. Even my DM finds him hard work. It’s not cute, we might laugh awkwardly in their presences, but really it’s just easier when he’s not there. It’s awkward when there’s a massive parenting style gap. Really, it’s just everyday differences, but all these things are magnified when you’re on holiday for a length of time together, in close quarters.

They’ve drawn the lines, you can continue being civil, they don’t need to holiday with you.

jacksonlambsregulardisorder · 06/08/2025 15:11

The thing is, OP having your own kids brings up a whole heap of stuff from your childhood, as we all know. Plus going away with family slots everyone back into their old dynamics and all those buried and seemingly inconsequential resentments come to the surface again.

You don't really know how it was with your DH and SIL as they were growing up, possibly she is reactive and sensitive, but 'puffing up your chest to be the big man' doesn't sound like a comment, even said in anger that's come out of nowhere.

Give them some space and you some peace - maybe from her perspective she's got it off her chest now.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:10

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:07

I can totally see why your BIL interpreted it as he did.

why did your husband not tick her off for doing it after the first time and say “do that again and you’ll be out of the pool” - followed up with “you’ve been told. Out. Now”

Honestly op I would really struggle to be on holiday with you with what you’ve described.

sorry. I know that’s not what you want to hear.

Please don’t be sorry. I posted on here to get perspective and will take all comments on. I will definitely be doing some reflecting on things with the replies I’ve received so I appreciate people’s responses either way. Perhaps we are difficult to be around

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Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:09

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:07

Neither me or DH agreed with the splashing. We don’t find it funny or cheeky. I’m a pretty laid back parent admittedly but not at the expense of upsetting other people (I don’t think so anyway but yes perhaps SIL thinks differently and was frustrated).either way I wish we could have spoken instead of not blowing it up like it did because it’s now beyond repair

So why didn’t you or your DH tick her off hard enough after the first time that she didn’t do it again?

other people will never have the tolerance for your kids bad behaviour that you do.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:07

ForZanyAquaViewer · 06/08/2025 15:02

So, this really comes across as your kids being b poorly behaved while you do nothing about it and think they’re hilarious.

Neither me or DH agreed with the splashing. We don’t find it funny or cheeky. I’m a pretty laid back parent admittedly but not at the expense of upsetting other people (I don’t think so anyway but yes perhaps SIL thinks differently and was frustrated).either way I wish we could have spoken instead of not blowing it up like it did because it’s now beyond repair

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Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:07

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:02

He did remove her from the pool. He then told her that if she chose to do it again she’s have to come out again (for a longer period of time) and it won’t be worth it. Sorry if that’s not how I explained it previously. Yes I believe that SIL and BIL were at the end of their tether with us. It’s just a shame we couldn’t have spoken instead

I can totally see why your BIL interpreted it as he did.

why did your husband not tick her off for doing it after the first time and say “do that again and you’ll be out of the pool” - followed up with “you’ve been told. Out. Now”

Honestly op I would really struggle to be on holiday with you with what you’ve described.

sorry. I know that’s not what you want to hear.

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 15:04

Helpmeplease2025 · 06/08/2025 15:01

I think my DC are on the whole pretty good. They are cheeky but funny with it.

😬

Yeah I have to be honest. I cringed at that too. That to me says annoying cheeky kids whose parents think they’re funny.

I wouldn’t have the greatest of patience with parents and kids like that and I’d find being around them for an extended period like a holiday a real struggle.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 15:03

ColinOfficeTrolley · 06/08/2025 14:54

'cheeky but funny with it'

😬

In my opinion yes. I’m not referring to the splashing here - me and my DH didn’t agree with this

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