AIBU to think the judge’s comments in this case are completely inappropriate?

You stated that you were pro-immigration. I replied that I’m not, for reasons such as this. Specifically, I think it’s clear that a not-insignificant number of immigrant men have cultural values and norms which differ from those in the UK. You extrapolated wildly from what I said and insinuated that I must therefore think all immigrants are rapists. Which no one does.

It’s obvious that poster meant she isn’t in favour of immigration due to the excess risk posed to women when we already have enough home grown sex offenders? She may have meant certain types of immigration, or immigration full stop, she or he can hopefully clarify.

What a reprehensible comment. Try reading @JaniceBattersby explanation - some facts would not go amiss…

I should have said I don’t think it’s an excuse, a defense or any kind of mitigating circumstance then. I’d be interested in hearing an explanation why his potentially being discriminated against would be considered mitigating circumstances in the rape of a child.

I would like to understand what this comment meant, though @VaseofViolets , if it wasn’t suggesting that immigrant - rapist?

Really, please explain.

Agree. Judges finding ways to be lenient is extremely suspicious. Only rapists and rape apologists do this, and only rapists and rape apologists defend this. Check his hard drive.

It isn't a defence, it is potentially a mitigation, different things.

In which case, I wholeheartedly apologise.

So opinions can only be in good faith and sincerely held if you agree with them and don’t find them too uncomfortable? Funny how posters always say that and duck out when confronted with irrefutable logic.

It’s not basically what I was suggesting at all.

It shouldn’t be necessary. They shouldn’t be here in the first place.

Agree with you. MN is very active in the feminism section and many, many posters do not think TWTW. Most also accept that not every transgender person is a danger, but that some may be. News articles of men purporting to be women to access female spaces and commit a crime are often linked on relevant threads.

Yet, if you apply the same logic to immigration, you’re a nazi, racist, far right etc. I don’t know why one is so widely accepted and the other is vilified.

Well that is basically what that poster was suggesting.

I won’t engage with you further because I have read your comments on other threads and don’t believe that you are posting in good faith.

Goodnight.

Alternatively we could use all that time, effort and money preventing crime instead.

And for rape especially, the victim impact is just another way if taking away a victim's power.

If you want your perpetrator to do a proper sentence you have to either be traumatised or put on a show of being traumatised enough, even if it takes away your chance to claim back your power.

You can't stand up and say "fuck you, you took a small portion of my life and I refuse to give you the power of telling you it impacted me because youve already taken control once"

Instead, rape victims who want justice have to make a choice about exposing their vulnerability again.

I'm so over it.

Quite and you can’t just check their criminal record as there won’t be one. Misogynistic regimes aren’t in the habit of prosecuting rape or sexual assault then keeping diligent records on criminal convictions.

Nobody has said that every immigrant is a rapist, in the same way people with concerns about transwomen aren’t saying every transwoman is a rapist. I refuse to believe you can’t extend the same logic to this.

Don’t be stupid. It adds nothing to the debate.

I hear you. Find space for these horrors to exist and keep the public safe.

Part of the problem with cases involving immigrant men is that they come from countries were rape isn't prosecuted. They also often murder, or cut out of the tongue of rape victims, so they can'tbe identified. There'sakso beencases were they'veblinded their victim. Children certainly aren't off limits.. So no-one can judge how dangerous these men are.

We need to be building more prisons.

I agree with you. It is far too lenient. But you surely can’t believe that every immigrant is a rapist?
That would suggest that every white, British doctor called Harold and every white, British, special care unit nurse called Lucy is a murderer.

Of course they’re not.

Yes, there is some misunderstanding here. The Judge is referring to a specific type of risk assessment normally carried out by a Probation Officer in a pre-sentence report, in order to pass a specific type of sentence with an extended licence period.

It’s like a victim is punished for not being traumatised enough.

No, but I’m against exposing women to any more risk than is necessary, particularly when the men come from terrifyingly misogynistic countries which de facto makes them more likely to be misogynistic (otherwise who is supporting the show there?). Please don’t do the equivalent of NAMALT and miss my point entirely.