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Should residents be able to 'police' sections of their street?

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StreetStrife · 04/08/2025 13:01

After just being shouted at by an incredibly rude and aggressive woman who barged out of her house to have a go at me for letting my dog wee on a patch of council owned grass at the end of her close I thought I would ask wise Mumsnetters their thoughts.

The woman who took it upon herself to police her street, and also, apparently, takes it upon herself to 'look after' this small patch of grass by planting a few geraniums in the middle, claims that because she looks after it and children play there sometimes I should not let my dog on it. Apparently my husband has "already been told not to use it" by her, so how dare I.

My thoughts are that children play in gardens and parks where dogs go all the time, that this is not her land, and that this is a convenient place for my dog to wee while we temporarily have no garden access due to building work. It is the closest bit of public grass we have, and I am currently injured and can't walk too far (although this is not a visible injury). My dog is prone to UTIs and likes to wee on grass rather than pavement, and often refuses to go if there is no grass. The next nearest patch of grass is an extra five minutes away.

This has reminded me of many incidents I've been involved in or heard of over the years, often to do with parking spaces on public highways but outside someone's house.

Should residents be able to 'police' the use of the streets directly in front of or around their home? I think no, so AIBU? If you are one of the people that think I am unreasonable I'd love to hear why, and if you do this on your street do people abide by your demands?

OP posts:
FairKoala · 04/08/2025 16:55

DiscoBob · 04/08/2025 16:13

If you'd cultivated some plants on a previously unloved bit of land, you would not like seeing a stranger coming up and allowing their dog to piss all over it, would you? It's rude, unhygienic and selfish.

Why not have it piss on the 'council owned land' on your own street?

Why not just apologise and don't do it again?

People do feel like they have a certain jurisdiction over their street as they feel they are paying ample council tax. Especially if they've invested personal time and money in making it look nice.

They don't want outsiders or thier dog coming in and pissing, dropping litter or whatever else.

So you are being unreasonable.

Edited

So if you plant flowers in a random bit of grass that makes you the ruler and enforcer of that little bit of grass.

If you plant flowers on pieces of grass that is on the side of the pavement, expect them to be walked on. Choose plants that spring back if you must plant them. But don’t start screaming at people for walking on the area that is meant to be walked on and don’t start throwing a hissy fit if a dog has a wee on an area that has probably seen its fair share of wee and poo from other animals wild or otherwise.

TBH I would say she probably needs more going on in her life if it has got to this stage.

By all means keep places tidy but don’t take over what you don’t own and expect the general public to conform to your rules.

BlackCatGreyWhiskers · 04/08/2025 16:54

GasPanic · 04/08/2025 16:42

I don't believe in vigilantes.

On the other hand, when there is a parade of dogs going past pissing on your property it is not very nice. I'd prefer it if dog owners got their dog to piss on their own house.

It’s not the person’s property

Butchyrestingface · 04/08/2025 16:51

Jom222 · 04/08/2025 16:48

This is hands down the most batshit crazy thing I've EVER read on mumsnet.

You must be new.

Not even the most batshit thing I've read this afternoon.

SawPalmettoPrincess · 04/08/2025 16:51

Flossflower · 04/08/2025 16:45

People have similar patches of land near me ( you may even live near me 😀). The houses are about 50 years old and slowly people are growing hedges, putting up small fences etc. Some have even got planning permission to extend on this previous open land.

My estate was built in 2017, so it’s still fairly new. I don’t think anyone has fenced in their front garden yet. As soon as the first person does though!!! 😂

I suspect people would be so confused if I fenced in our ‘extra garden’. They’d probably think we were nuts. It does look like just a small area of green that isn’t attached to a house. But once I tell a person, it would be nice for them to keep their dogs off it.

Butchyrestingface · 04/08/2025 16:50

Reignonyourparade · 04/08/2025 16:01

Piss everywhere is revolting. If you don’t find piss revolting, I’d say that was a kink

That made me larf.

Gotta love Mumsnet.

SoManyTshirts · 04/08/2025 16:49

NebulouslyContemporaneous · 04/08/2025 13:26

There won't be a 'stink of piss' from dogs weeing on grass in an open space.

I'm in my 60s and I don't remember a time when anyone I knew taught their dogs to wee in the gutter. I also don't remember that ever being discussed at dog training classes.

I think your neighbour is probably being daft, OP. Unless your dog actually weed on the geraniums, or unless there are dozens and dozens of dogs weeing there every day, it doesn't strike me as being at all unreasonable to let your dog wee there.

I'm guessing that the addition of some dog wee to the combined urine of spiders, beetles, squirrels, foxes, birds etc, etc is not doing the neighbourhood kids any harm.

I’m also in my late 60s, so perhaps we live in different areas. I live near the entrance to the local park and I can tell you it absolutely reeks.

Jom222 · 04/08/2025 16:48

Reignonyourparade · 04/08/2025 16:01

Piss everywhere is revolting. If you don’t find piss revolting, I’d say that was a kink

This is hands down the most batshit crazy thing I've EVER read on mumsnet.

Flossflower · 04/08/2025 16:45

SawPalmettoPrincess · 04/08/2025 16:34

I suggested that to my DH. A short fence, perhaps a little white picket thing or shrubs, but he is nervous to do it. It’s in a weird location too, right on the corner, so he’s worried about obstructing views. He won’t even let my lavender get too big.

People have similar patches of land near me ( you may even live near me 😀). The houses are about 50 years old and slowly people are growing hedges, putting up small fences etc. Some have even got planning permission to extend on this previous open land.

prelovedusername · 04/08/2025 16:45

BlackCatGreyWhiskers · 04/08/2025 16:23

It sounds like the developer has discharged their requirements re public open space but also cleverly removed their own responsibility (and extra expense for the man co) by transferring the land to private home owners. The reality is it was probably always intended to be public space.

Not necessarily. There's a road near us where the 1970s houses are subject to a restrictive covenant preventing them from building walls or fences between them and the pavement. It's a shame because they have huge front gardens that can't be made private. The idea was to maintain an open aspect for the benefit of all but it dates from a time when people were more respectful of other people's property and doesn't really work now.

LavenderViolets · 04/08/2025 16:42

SawPalmettoPrincess · 04/08/2025 15:03

You already have dogs pissing in your garden, so it’s hardly like you care about having a nice lawn. But what of those of us who have chosen to be pet free because we don’t want to live in piss and shit and be clearing up mess? My flowers matter to me, I tend to them and they bring me joy. When I’m abroad I pay someone to look after them and keep them healthy. It devastates me to see people abuse them by allowing their dogs to piss on them. My plants are more important to me than your dog.

Of course I care about having a nice lawn, what a ridiculous statement and assumption. If I didn’t want lawn I’d have paved it lol. I’m just not batshit crazy over some dog pee and yes I love my flowers too.

Like I said, the batshittery is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.

GasPanic · 04/08/2025 16:42

I don't believe in vigilantes.

On the other hand, when there is a parade of dogs going past pissing on your property it is not very nice. I'd prefer it if dog owners got their dog to piss on their own house.

Digdongdoo · 04/08/2025 16:42

RedPony1 · 04/08/2025 16:39

You know all manner of different animals will be pissing on it daily though, right?

Why should owned pets be held to the same standards as wild animals? Pigeons probably shit on your roof, doesn't mean I should too.
There's vast numbers of dogs about these days, they simply cannot be treated as though they are nature. And in reality, most wild animals don't actually make a habit of weeing on open grass verges in the suburbs.

RedPony1 · 04/08/2025 16:39

HeddaGarbled · 04/08/2025 13:57

I’m with your neighbour. A nice patch of grass that children play on shouldn’t be used as a dogs’ toilet.

You know all manner of different animals will be pissing on it daily though, right?

PeonyPatch · 04/08/2025 16:38

YANBU OP. It’s not her garden. Simple.

Thingsthatgo · 04/08/2025 16:37

She has no right to police the grass, but if you deliberately take your dog to wee there I can see why she’s pissed off with you.

Thanksman · 04/08/2025 16:36

SawPalmettoPrincess · 04/08/2025 16:34

I suggested that to my DH. A short fence, perhaps a little white picket thing or shrubs, but he is nervous to do it. It’s in a weird location too, right on the corner, so he’s worried about obstructing views. He won’t even let my lavender get too big.

So @BlackCatGreyWhiskers would be correct then if it’s on the corner.

DiscoBob · 04/08/2025 16:36

StreetStrife · 04/08/2025 16:23

Huh? I live literally round the corner, 20 seconds away at most. Also, it wasn't previously unloved, it's mown by the council. She's just stuck some geraniums in the middle (which no doubt make it harder for the council to mow).

Why do people try to rewrite situations to suit some made up justifications they have? Adding in bits as suits them, or removing bits they don't like. So odd.

She planted geraniums there, you don't live on the same street, your dog pissed on them. She was angry. You were being unreasonable.

Why can't you see it's not a nice thing to do? You knew she planted the geraniums there so why allow dog to piss on them? Can't you see how you wouldn't like it if the roles were reversed?

Thanksman · 04/08/2025 16:35

BlackCatGreyWhiskers · 04/08/2025 16:33

@Thanksman you have no idea of the nature of the restriction so how do you know it’s nonsensical? It might be to do with visibility for the road.

Good point. I’d want to find out exactly why the restriction was there though.

prelovedusername · 04/08/2025 16:34

SawPalmettoPrincess · 04/08/2025 16:18

Of course, but as I pointed out, people seem to think my land belongs to the estate, and not a private person, despite being on my deeds. It is a little side bit of land in addition to my front and back gardens. However, it could be mistaken as being council (or in my case belonging to the developer/ management company). As it’s on my deeds however, it is not cared for by the management company and instead is looked after and planted on by myself. Sadly I am unable to fence it off. My husband said it’s come sort of restriction, so we put a private sign on it, which was kicked down. People assume the land is not ours and therefore seems to be now a greeting space for dogs. They stop, sniff, piss and destroy my plants and yellow my grass, before moving on. And owners stop and watch them, whilst checking their phones or whatever. Sometimes I run out and speak to the person to tell them that it’s private, but generally the response is to stare at me like I’m mad, allow their dog to finish, move on at their leisure and come back the next day. It’s infuriating. And what if op is doing the same and assuming the neighbour is planting on council land? Or what if it is just a nice play area for children?

What you need is a nice powerful hose!

SawPalmettoPrincess · 04/08/2025 16:34

Thanksman · 04/08/2025 16:31

Would anyone bother to report you if you ignored it and put a fence up? I’d do that, nonsensical restriction.

I suggested that to my DH. A short fence, perhaps a little white picket thing or shrubs, but he is nervous to do it. It’s in a weird location too, right on the corner, so he’s worried about obstructing views. He won’t even let my lavender get too big.

RubySquid · 04/08/2025 16:33

Whiningatwine · 04/08/2025 13:13

She's crackers. You don't get to plant something on public land and therefore claim it as your own.

I dunno. If more people planted nice things and looked after a patch rather than let the council neglect it then it would be a much nicer environment.

BlackCatGreyWhiskers · 04/08/2025 16:33

@Thanksman you have no idea of the nature of the restriction so how do you know it’s nonsensical? It might be to do with visibility for the road.

Thanksman · 04/08/2025 16:31

SawPalmettoPrincess · 04/08/2025 16:27

I don’t know. I have asked my husband and he said it was a restriction something or other and probably to keep the estate open plan and looking nice, although there is no reason stated. It is frustrating.

Would anyone bother to report you if you ignored it and put a fence up? I’d do that, nonsensical restriction.

SawPalmettoPrincess · 04/08/2025 16:30

StreetStrife · 04/08/2025 16:23

Huh? I live literally round the corner, 20 seconds away at most. Also, it wasn't previously unloved, it's mown by the council. She's just stuck some geraniums in the middle (which no doubt make it harder for the council to mow).

Why do people try to rewrite situations to suit some made up justifications they have? Adding in bits as suits them, or removing bits they don't like. So odd.

Because people can relate and it angers them.

BlackCatGreyWhiskers · 04/08/2025 16:30

SawPalmettoPrincess · 04/08/2025 16:29

Quite possibly. I don’t know. But seeings as it now belongs to me, I like the idea of looking after it, making the street look pretty and not having pet owners ruin it. I am trying to thick of another way to isolate it a bit. Can I legally cover it with that pet proof flooring?

I have no idea without looking at your title.

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