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Mass deaths of millions of Bees. Is this the beginning of the end?

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1a2b3c4deltaradio · 04/08/2025 08:16

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jul/08/record-us-bee-colony-dieoffs-climate-stress-pesticides-silent-spring-aoe

The link is about the mass death of millions of honey Bees which are also used to pollinate crops all around the country in the US.
This has massive implications! Food price increase is a big one. If the US is struggling then they will be importing more and everything will go up for everyone.

I'm actually terrified. Food security is a big worry for me (grew up poor and hungry) and so I have a beautiful well looked after garden full of food. We can manage to basically leave out the fruit and veg from our shopping for half the year usually. Not this year. We have been having to hand pollinate our plants to encourage fruits (pumpkins, courgettes etc the big ones)
I was wondering if something was up and saw this happening in the US. Is it happening here in the UK too? Anecdotally our friends and neighbours (the gardeners or allotmenteers) have seen a fall in pollination the past few years. However we have had a good few housing estates built around the area, so we attributed it to that, less space for wildlife? Our council still uses glysophate weed killer on our streets (which obviously run into our gardens too.)

I'm at my wits end here, I feel like any good I can do is being cancelled out in one second by the powers that be. I can't compete and its so worrying.

‘Could become a death spiral’: scientists discover what’s driving record die-offs of US honeybees

Experts scrambling to understand losses in hives across the country are finally identifying the culprits. And the damage to farmed bees is a sign of trouble for wild bees too

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jul/08/record-us-bee-colony-dieoffs-climate-stress-pesticides-silent-spring-aoe

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ErrolTheDragon · 04/08/2025 14:28

TonTonMacoute · 04/08/2025 14:22

Loads of bees of all sorts in my garden, loads of butterflies and moths, loads of other insects too.

A lot of US agriculture is large scale monoculture and neonicotinoids are also still legal and used, which disrupts bees. This is why we need to stop covering so much of our own farmland with solar panels, which should go on factories, car parks and other such locations.

Re the almond deserts in California, the reason is that the ground under the trees is kept clear to allow the harvesting machinery to be driven through the orchards. They do plant bee banks elsewhere because they need the insects to pollinate the blossom.

But a lot of the sort of plants you see in ‘bee borders’ wouldn’t exactly be a major issue for industrial harvesters would they?

cheezncrackers · 04/08/2025 14:27

Around where I live (SE England) I'd say insects have had a better year than they have in a long time. I've had a lot more insects on my car windscreen this year and in our garden we have a bumper crop of apples this year. Walking around the local parks too I see elderberries and plums and our oak tree has a ton of acorns. I think the move away from the more harmful pesticides in the UK and also councils doing no-mow May, leaving sections of public parks and verges wild, sowing wildflower mix, farmers increasing biodiversity on their land, etc is all starting to have an impact - a positive impact. It's really good to see. The US is way behind in this stuff and with Trump in charge it will remain so.

TonTonMacoute · 04/08/2025 14:22

Loads of bees of all sorts in my garden, loads of butterflies and moths, loads of other insects too.

A lot of US agriculture is large scale monoculture and neonicotinoids are also still legal and used, which disrupts bees. This is why we need to stop covering so much of our own farmland with solar panels, which should go on factories, car parks and other such locations.

Re the almond deserts in California, the reason is that the ground under the trees is kept clear to allow the harvesting machinery to be driven through the orchards. They do plant bee banks elsewhere because they need the insects to pollinate the blossom.

NeedthatFridayfeeling · 04/08/2025 14:08

I'm outside York and see lots of bee's and wasps in my garden, plus lots of butterfly's this year.
Our apple tree is doing really well despite being a new tree, had tonnes of plums (even after the wasps got to some) and the small strawberry plant/pink lemonade blueberry bush and the tomato bushes are doing really well.
I've also noticed so so many blackberries around and most are ripe.
So many ladybirds this year too, hoping they help shift the greenfly in my trees.

Meadowfinch · 04/08/2025 13:51

HScully · 04/08/2025 08:23

Kindly I am a bee keeper and in general bees have done better this year than the past few. Also due to the dry spring summer insect levels are higher than usual.

Your worries regarding insects are valid long term but I do not know why you would have to be hand pollinate? A side from water issues our allotment has been going great this year.

This. We've had two bee swarms in our garden this year (Hampshire). The flowerbeds, trees and shrubs are positively buzzing. Generally more insects, not just bees. They love lavender and marjoram.

And more frogs, that have sung me to sleep the last few nights. Presumably because there are plenty of insects for them to eat. Fewer dragonflies and damsel flies but recovering in the last few weeks.

If the US is having problems, well their administration is hardly environmentally friendly is it. God knows what people have been spraying, fully aware that they will get away with it.

SriouslyWhutNow · 04/08/2025 13:42

1a2b3c4deltaradio · 04/08/2025 13:11

agree agree agree
it's like an ecological desert

I've been to the almond farms. It's like a desert... because they're grown in an actual desert. 🤦‍♀️ Any grass is a feat of achievement in and of itself in that environment.

womananddog · 04/08/2025 13:29

EverardDeTroyes · 04/08/2025 13:22

And yes to the many ladybirds. I thought there must be another plague of ladybirds like we had back in 1976, but I googled and could find no mention of it. But there are 1000s in my garden (south west England).

Lots of ladybirds this year https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14emrx5x66o

A close up photo of a ladybird on a leaf.

Ladybird numbers 'very high' due to warm weather, say experts

A swarm of the creatures disrupted cricket at Lord's in London on Thursday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c14emrx5x66o

MrsSkylerWhite · 04/08/2025 13:28

Very happy to have seen lots and lots of bees this year, butterflies in abundance too 😃

ErrolTheDragon · 04/08/2025 13:27

1a2b3c4deltaradio · 04/08/2025 13:11

agree agree agree
it's like an ecological desert

Some of these US agribusinesses really would be desert, I think, if it wasn’t for the massive (over)use of irrigation. Water may be more of an issue for some of their farms than bees are.
It’s really striking when you fly over the US - more mixed areas on the east coast give way to enormous fields followed by swathes of irrigated circles followed by what appears from the air to be just geology. It’s very different to our lush little island. We’ve degraded natural ecosystems here, of course, but I think we’re generally better placed to restore them.

manicpixieschemegirl · 04/08/2025 13:26

I’m in Scotland and there’s been an absolute plethora of bees, wasps, other insects, beetles, butterflies and birds this summer. More than I’ve ever noticed previously. It’s been lovely.

Allotmentannie · 04/08/2025 13:25

The Bees are getting ready for winter earlier than usual. Which means its going to be a long long winter for them.
The wasps are tremendous this year and again have finished their season earlier so will be bothering you for your scone and jam now.

There's also a pesky Yellow-legged hornet you should all be aware of - especially if you live in Kent and the SE.
https://www.nationalbeeunit.com/diseases-and-pests/asian-hornet

Sally690 · 04/08/2025 13:24

This has been the first year in about 20 that we have driven 200 miles down the motorway and had lots of dead insects on the windscreen. I think it's been a great year for insects. We have a tulip tree and when it was flowering it was so loud! Other insects than honey bees pollinate, hoverflies are brilliant.

Honey bees aren't even native to the USA or UK, they are spreading diseases to wild bees so maybe we'd be better off without them anyway?

EverardDeTroyes · 04/08/2025 13:22

And yes to the many ladybirds. I thought there must be another plague of ladybirds like we had back in 1976, but I googled and could find no mention of it. But there are 1000s in my garden (south west England).

EverardDeTroyes · 04/08/2025 13:19

I don't know much about it and did see an alarming amount of seemingly sad or stranded looking bees around the house and garden in the spring (always rescued them and put them on flowers) but since then, I have noticed a lot of bees all over certain flowering plants and in my vegetable patch, and I've certainly not had any difficulty producing courgettes this year. In fact, I have too bloody many, as usual! Just wanted to add another small voice of positivity.

Nagginthenag · 04/08/2025 13:17

We have a lot of lavender and white buddleia in the garden and clover in the lawn. They have all been thick with bees for weeks. The whole garden is full of the sound of them. We've also had a lot of cabbage whites, but not many other butterflies. We were at an open garden on Saturday and the place was heaving with bees, wasps, butterflies, ladybirds and loads of other insects - everyone was commenting, especially on the numbers of butterflies.

This is in the north of England.

TaraMySalata · 04/08/2025 13:16

I have noticed far far more ladybirds recently than I usually see. Just casually about the place, without even looking. I was working down the side of the house at the weekend and easily came across thirty, but I’ve also noticed more in our local woods. All of them dead though, except one or two. Isn’t that strange?

1a2b3c4deltaradio · 04/08/2025 13:13

RazzleDazzleEm · 04/08/2025 13:09

Op I'm noticing less insects also not that that really means much !
My garden is hosting many bees etc but I've definitely noticed less.
We usually have a nest in our garden

Also aren't invasive hornets here eating our bees ?

oh dear I hope not.
I'm glad to hear lots of people are still having lots of visitors .
I think I'm primed to think the worst as I'm already so worried about it.

I'm going to do a count though and compare it next year. hopefully thi go are on the up for once

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1a2b3c4deltaradio · 04/08/2025 13:11

ErrolTheDragon · 04/08/2025 11:30

I’ve just looked at some photos of US almond farms. They seem to be rows and rows of trees with maybe some grass underneath.

Is there any good reason commercial orchards can’t underplant with a mix of flowers which attract and sustain a ‘natural’ population of pollinators (ideally multiple species)?

agree agree agree
it's like an ecological desert

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1a2b3c4deltaradio · 04/08/2025 13:09

LancashireButterPie · 04/08/2025 10:23

We've lived in our house for 30 years and I've never known a summer like this for insects in our garden. We adjoin woodland so there's always an abundance of insects and bats.
This year we have seen no lacewings, no maybugs, no grasshoppers, not many beetles or wasps and very few midges. We haven't seen one bat and we usually have at least 60 roosting in the roof.
However there are thousands and thousands of small black flies, which bite. So many that the house is invaded and we cant sit out at all.

I have never experienced anything like this.

oh dear I was hoping it was just me but my friends and family have reported the same as you. We are an outdoorsy bunch and so we've really noticed it.

I've put in a pond in My front garden and am looking at one for my backgarden. hopefully this is just a bad year.
no frogs either, there's usually some around.

Although I have seen a hedgehog and loads of foxes

where are you? if you're midlands then me too,

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RazzleDazzleEm · 04/08/2025 13:09

Op I'm noticing less insects also not that that really means much !
My garden is hosting many bees etc but I've definitely noticed less.
We usually have a nest in our garden

Also aren't invasive hornets here eating our bees ?

1a2b3c4deltaradio · 04/08/2025 13:04

Just to add we have had next to no cabbage white butterflies this year either, and we usually have hundreds of caterpillars from them munching everything. Nothing this year, I've seen a handful of eggs on a couple of the plants.

I've been watering thoroughly as we have water butts and I use grey water too so we always have a well watered garden.

I'm in the Midlands
there's been a stark difference in the number of birds too. Only anecdotal evidence but its a real worry. I don't know what I expected when they started building on green sites though

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1a2b3c4deltaradio · 04/08/2025 13:00

HScully · 04/08/2025 08:23

Kindly I am a bee keeper and in general bees have done better this year than the past few. Also due to the dry spring summer insect levels are higher than usual.

Your worries regarding insects are valid long term but I do not know why you would have to be hand pollinate? A side from water issues our allotment has been going great this year.

Honestly it's been absolutely shocking this year. As I said though, we have had a massive amount of new builds the last few years and a lot of woodland has been chopped recently. Not to mention the gradual slabbing and plastic grassing all of the houses have near by. I'm not surprised.

We have had barely anything pollinated this year! We had no plums (could be a mast year though) no courgettes and no pumpkins. By now I should be swimming in courgettes! We have had lots of female flowers but the little fruits have just softened and fell off due to not being pollinated.

I'm glad to hear yours are doing so well though I need to hear a bit of uplift.

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ExtraOnions · 04/08/2025 11:33

Plant to help pollinators … leave the wildflowers (weeds as some may call them) if you can, don’t mow too early, leave a patch to the wild. Gardens don’t always needs to be perfectly neat.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/08/2025 11:30

I’ve just looked at some photos of US almond farms. They seem to be rows and rows of trees with maybe some grass underneath.

Is there any good reason commercial orchards can’t underplant with a mix of flowers which attract and sustain a ‘natural’ population of pollinators (ideally multiple species)?

skymagentatwo · 04/08/2025 10:57

I think if you really want to help then, you need to be championing insects like hoverflies. Just because of their mimicry (defensive colouration) a lot of people mistake them for wasps and kill them when they are completely harmless.

They are far more underrated than bees and people need an education outside of just bees if they want food security.

As for the US bee farmers you have cited others have answered that question above me.

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