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to tell you violent crime in the UK is falling

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1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:03

violence is falling, robbery is falling, gun crime is falling, knife crime and sex crime is not significantly falling or rising, fraud is rising, shoplifting is rising

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myplace · 04/08/2025 07:57

To add a note of optimism, 20 years ago it was gun crime, TWOCing and burning out cars.

None of that happens anymore, so progress!

User135644 · 04/08/2025 07:55

No. People just don't bother even contacting the police anymore.

Its a lawless country. Theft has been legalised.

Foolsgold74 · 04/08/2025 07:55

1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:03

violence is falling, robbery is falling, gun crime is falling, knife crime and sex crime is not significantly falling or rising, fraud is rising, shoplifting is rising

I don't believe this for a single second. Sexual assaults against women are massively under reported and prosecutions are pitifully low. This is demonstrated across the UK and sadly, I know this from personal experience. Rape is pretty much legal in the UK.

myplace · 04/08/2025 07:55

It’s been reported but I don’t know whether it would count anywhere.

myplace · 04/08/2025 07:53

My area has been bad, from what I see. Lots of knife crime. Lots of teens with machetes. Lots of dramatic police action.

That’s via Facebook reporting on my local pages, rather than formal media sources.

Really close to home we have a gang of very young teens running riot, threatening with knives and broken bottles if anyone challenges them. Now, if you leave them to it they seem content to ignore you. But speak to them about trashing the flower tubs, rocking over the street furniture, or smashing bottles and they get hostile fast. I’ve seen the photos, they look about 13.

TaborlinTheGreat · 04/08/2025 07:51

People are very reluctant to believe positive news, unfortunately. I'd strongly recommend reading Hans Rosling's book 'Factfulness'. Obviously lots of bad things happen in the world, but lots and lots of things have continued to get better and better. We tend to look back with rose-tinted spectacles and ignore the bad things about the past while focusing only on the bad things about the present.

EasternStandard · 04/08/2025 07:51

Barbadossunset · 04/08/2025 07:43

I’m sure all those people who’ve had their phones and bags snatched will be greatly cheered by this news.
As a pp pointed out, if crime isn’t reported how can statistics show it hasn’t gone down?

Maybe they live in London

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/rise-london-mobile-phone-thefts-met-police-b1231196.html

Massive rise in London phone thefts as Met admit 'we have very serious problem'

Some 80,000 devices were stolen in the capital last year - about 16,000 more than in 2023

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/rise-london-mobile-phone-thefts-met-police-b1231196.html

Mydogisatool · 04/08/2025 07:50

Not where I live. It’s always been a shithole but there’s something most days now. My street was closed pff for two days due to a shooting a few doors down last month,
my daughters school was put into lockdown twice since March due to men with machetes in the area, one in the school entrance area.

It’s getting worse here all the time.

VeryAwkwardForMe · 04/08/2025 07:47

NewWin · 04/08/2025 07:35

Funny that no one is saying 'oh that's a bit of bright news on a stormy day' and instead everyone is saying a variation on: not in my area/statistics lie/ that's what they want you to believe... Etc etc.

Why is that? These responses to what is ostensibly good news are so interesting

Probably coz most of us live in the real world 🤷‍♀️ I've just posted upthread about what it's like in the area I live In. It's full of crime, a lot of it violent

zaazaazoom · 04/08/2025 07:47

randomusername03 · 04/08/2025 07:29

do you mean in the last 2 to 3 years rape has levelled out because rape has sharply increased since 2013, so much so that uk is now the rape capital of Europe. Its absolutely nothing to be gloating about. What change happened in 2013.

A lot of this increase is down to more people reporting but this is still horrifically low. I am.nkt sure I would report a rape given our shift judicial system.

VeryAwkwardForMe · 04/08/2025 07:45

sorrynotathome · 04/08/2025 07:15

Is it though? Or is it just the reporting of crime that’s falling? Most people seem to think that it’s not worth reporting things to the police as there’s unlikely to be a useful response. The argument is often used the other way round eg “no, rapes are not increasing it’s just the reporting of rape that’s increasing”. Also, shoplifting is not prosecuted now if it’s under a certain amount so presumably stores don’t report that either.

It's got to depend on the area surely. In the last year alone there's been several murders in my area, too many stabbings to count, couldn't tell you how many people post online about their bikes being robbed ect

Less than a month ago a teenager was chased and stabbed at the end of my street. I sent the police the cctv of the boy running away with a machete.

Crime has not fallen at all in the area I live in

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1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:44

Barbadossunset · 04/08/2025 07:43

I’m sure all those people who’ve had their phones and bags snatched will be greatly cheered by this news.
As a pp pointed out, if crime isn’t reported how can statistics show it hasn’t gone down?

This is the ONS crime survey, which is the best measure we have, and for comparison purposes, very valid. It is also confirmed by the statistics reported by police

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Barbadossunset · 04/08/2025 07:43

I’m sure all those people who’ve had their phones and bags snatched will be greatly cheered by this news.
As a pp pointed out, if crime isn’t reported how can statistics show it hasn’t gone down?

shortsaint · 04/08/2025 07:42

The media control the narrative. It’s in their interest to provide clickbait. And a positive story doesn’t suit their political agenda.

That said, increased fraud and shoplifting (and even DV) says everything about the state of the economy.

it’s interesting that we are encouraged to listen to data. To facts. Until it does not suit your message. Then it’s Fake News. Or conspiracies.

Cloverforever · 04/08/2025 07:39

NewWin · 04/08/2025 07:35

Funny that no one is saying 'oh that's a bit of bright news on a stormy day' and instead everyone is saying a variation on: not in my area/statistics lie/ that's what they want you to believe... Etc etc.

Why is that? These responses to what is ostensibly good news are so interesting

It's weird isn't it? Everyone seems to prefer to moan and be negative in this country!

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1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:39

Trying to post graphs again

I still cant see them, but maybe they will appear shortly?

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Meadowfinch · 04/08/2025 07:39

NewWin · 04/08/2025 07:35

Funny that no one is saying 'oh that's a bit of bright news on a stormy day' and instead everyone is saying a variation on: not in my area/statistics lie/ that's what they want you to believe... Etc etc.

Why is that? These responses to what is ostensibly good news are so interesting

Perhaps because the British public is sick of being fed a line, and have become distrustful of anything from government, when people's lived experiences say differently.

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1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:37

randomusername03 · 04/08/2025 07:29

do you mean in the last 2 to 3 years rape has levelled out because rape has sharply increased since 2013, so much so that uk is now the rape capital of Europe. Its absolutely nothing to be gloating about. What change happened in 2013.

why are your graphs showing (although the source isn't) and my graphs are not! The ONS does agree sex crimes have levelled out over the last 10 years, and gone down in some areas and up in others, the other point about their statistics on sex crimes is they are mostly domestic abuse

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Theolittle · 04/08/2025 07:37

That’s good news thanks op

Meadowfinch · 04/08/2025 07:36

I love your optimism, OP, and I hope it is true but others seem to disagree.

to tell you violent crime in the UK is falling
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1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:35

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 04/08/2025 07:26

Where are the statistics to back up these claims?

This is the ONS, and I have posted graphs, but for some reason they are not showing. I will try again

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NewWin · 04/08/2025 07:35

Funny that no one is saying 'oh that's a bit of bright news on a stormy day' and instead everyone is saying a variation on: not in my area/statistics lie/ that's what they want you to believe... Etc etc.

Why is that? These responses to what is ostensibly good news are so interesting

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1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:34

BlueJuniper94 · 04/08/2025 07:25

One of the first things that was emphasised when I did criminology modules at uni, albeit a while ago, was that neither the crime survey or police reports were a particularly reliable picture of what's going on.

And based on what I've learnt since, incentive structures within the ONS and police (the sorts that have them pretending people can change sex) I trust anything they have to say even less. And will rely on my own eyes.

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I am sure you are right, but even so, your own eyes can only see what is right in front of them, but the ONS covers the whole of England and Wales. It is the best measure we have

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Mavvera · 04/08/2025 07:33

Robbery would probably go down as shoplifting and fraud go up as the gain from the crime is similar and easier to do