to tell you violent crime in the UK is falling

Surely there has always been non-reported crime? Therefore the stats baseline is consistent?

Also … if people will parade their iPhones with value to the thieves… plus they then claim on insurance .. waste of police time.

No, you can’t. Oxford Street is just the pits. My SIL visiting from abroad had hers snatched out of her pocket by a guy on a bike. My teenage daughter’s friend, same thing. And no point in reporting this stuff.

I linked to a phone theft article. If you haven’t noticed that then you must be missing stuff.

I mean ... you can.

You literally can't walk down the street with a phone in your hand.

As far as I’m aware, the ONS survey is pretty well respected. It is perfectly possible that crime has gone up in your area but not in the country as a whole. What’s happening in your community isn’t necessarily what’s happening in the country as a whole.

I live in London, and crime especially violent crime has also fallen a lot. London is in general a very safe city.

But people seem desperate to convine themselves that outside is dangerous. It's sad really.

Police have not got the resources to deal with crime..they might police your tweets but people who are robbed (including shops) do not bother contacting the police.

I take it you don’t live in London

Unfortunately there is now a lack of trust even in official statistics after ONS made a fool of themselves over the census. And @BlueJuniper94 is perfectly correct, we feel we have to live differently now.

What are the stats on "antisocial behaviour" and does that now include things that many people would see as crime?

Yes you need to post a link. I’ve just tried looking it up and it certainly went up in the year to oct 2024. Is this what you’ve seen? https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/improvingcrimestatisticsforenglandandwalesprogressupdate/july2025

You’re not being unreasonable-but you won’t be believed because it doesn’t fit the narrative being so carefully disseminated by the Right.

Post the link itself please

How do they monitor non reported crime?

Your thread title is misleading. You said UK but you're actually talking about England and Wales. Violent crime has increased in Scotland. There have been 2 shootings within a couple of miles of my house in the last few weeks alone. Drug gangs are a big issue here.

Yes to perceived danger being a dangerous thing in itself! I live in a rural area with low crime rates. The crime tends to be theft of farm equipment, petty theft (things nicked from cars) drug use, etc. The unfortunately standard stuff that humans do. Our Facebook group would have you think we live in a violent inner city. Full of warnings to watch out for this one or that one, white van spotted looking suss, etc etc.

A high proportion of people have lived in the area for generations and love to warn about how bad things are now, how it's changed... It all.has a tinge of racism and ignorance tbh. And of course the more people tell each other how dangerous our mean streets are, the more dangerous it all feels.

Most crime is small, having your phone taken down in London that’s every 6 minutes or so across the city, businesses seeing shoplifting go up. If you see it more around you then it’s going to stick in the mind.

My police officer son (now ex officer, he’s just left), had his motorbike stolen from the garage. Even he burst out laughing when people asked if he’d called the police. He knew it was absolutely pointless, working for them.

He only reported it to get the crime number for the insurance, nothing was done, which of course he knew.

It is not a lawless country. Even if you think the ONs has cobbled these stats together on the back of an old napkin it is still, very clearly, not lawless!!

I often tell my kids of growing up in the 70s and 80s of the numerous IRA bomb scares (and real, regular incidents too). We just lived with it. Can you imagine that today with social media?

I stand by what I said before. Tittle tattle on local Facebook groups is a scourge. People posting every little thing.

PERCEIVED danger is a great way for people to focus on the micro not the macro environment.

Even if crime is falling, the way we all live has changed. I can't let my daughter walk through town to my work after school because of the groups of men loitering on corners. This phenomenon never existed 10 or even 5 years ago. I lock my door at night, because there are people and vehicles who behave oddly and people nearby have been broken into, this was formerly an unusually safe area. People feel less safe, this was a high trust area, it's now a low trust area. Anything that's not nailed down is stolen. There used to be honesty boxes for Eggs or fish or cakes, these are all gone. Dinghies nicked from shores, angle grinders taken to bike locks. Bike locks that wouldn't even have been used a decade ago, because bike theft was so unusual in the town.

completely true.
my dad didn't report 2 van thefts and 3 tool thefts to the police because they were unhelpful and patronising.
Along the lines of "why isn't this van parked in the garage?" we don't have a garage.
"Why weren't the tools kept inside?" he was at work!

I've heard that reported violent crimes are down partly due to aging population. Older men less likely to commit crimes