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Who seems to be unreasonable and greedy? Looking for unbiased opinions and perspectives.

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SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 00:01

Indian family of 4 sons; father passed away leaving a will (registered and valid) splitting inheritance equally (25% each). Family migrated to the UK when kids were young.

  • 1st son: Rebellious, estranged from parents for years, had a love marriage parents didn’t support. Claims to have signed a document 4 decades ago renouncing inheritance (no copy exists). Wants his 25%, plans to pass it to his kids.
  • 2nd son: No contact with parents, divorced twice, parents still cared and loved him.
  • 3rd son: Family favourite, expected to inherit everything or at least exclude eldest brother. Divorced once, remarried recently.
  • 4th son: Follows 3rd son’s lead, divorced once, remarried recently.

Conflict: Eldest son’s brothers call him greedy/selfish for claiming his 25%. They thought inheritance would exclude him due to that old signed paper. Eldest wants to keep his share for his kids, not sell.

Question: Is the eldest son selfish for wanting the 25% left to him in the will?

YABU: Yes
YANBU: No

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SequinTheDay · 05/08/2025 12:41

HappilyUrbanTrimmer · 05/08/2025 12:39

@SequinTheDay is it known what the actual beneficial value of this land is? Does it produce a yield income from rents or sale of crops grown by tenant farmers? If it were sold, what would the actual profit be if you subtract the amount of time and money you would have to spend to make it happen vs the amount recieved from the sale? Because if the real answers to these are "nothing at all" then the "ownership" being passed down through the generations is purely about honor and favouritism with no actual material consequences to anyone's wellbeing.

I’m not sure to be honest, I’ve never took an interest in it. I know from passing his Dad had some factories and ancestral land which was very rewarding and worth quite a chunk. The ancestral land has been passed down in family for generations now. Selling in India is so much headache, there’s a lot of scams happen too - better to transfer it and wait till laws are better.

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HappilyUrbanTrimmer · 05/08/2025 12:39

@SequinTheDay is it known what the actual beneficial value of this land is? Does it produce a yield income from rents or sale of crops grown by tenant farmers? If it were sold, what would the actual profit be if you subtract the amount of time and money you would have to spend to make it happen vs the amount recieved from the sale? Because if the real answers to these are "nothing at all" then the "ownership" being passed down through the generations is purely about honor and favouritism with no actual material consequences to anyone's wellbeing.

SequinTheDay · 05/08/2025 12:27

Pipsquiggle · 05/08/2025 06:57

Is everyone apart from DS1 in India?

Is the will in India or England?

@SequinTheDay the land is in India? Realistically, will your DH keep it or sell it?
Have the other brothers also got pockets of land as well?

No one lives in India. Each son has received equal shares. The will is in UK but made in India so it was notarised and made legal.

With his health, it’s looking more likely he will transfer it to his kids because he can’t travel back and forth to India.

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Pipsquiggle · 05/08/2025 06:57

Is everyone apart from DS1 in India?

Is the will in India or England?

@SequinTheDay the land is in India? Realistically, will your DH keep it or sell it?
Have the other brothers also got pockets of land as well?

SequinTheDay · 05/08/2025 01:35

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 05/08/2025 00:32

The younger three brothers sound awful.

Eldest son should stand his ground!

I agree, DS3 recently had a love marriage which was happily accepted. But, DS1 did it and it was a problem...

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SequinTheDay · 05/08/2025 01:34

ResultsMayVary · 05/08/2025 00:20

It sounds like decades later so much has changed - the father and son 1 reconciled, the family attitudes to love marriages, changed, divorces of, I assume, arranged marriages have happened.

So whether the eldest said he didn't want the land seems irrelevant in so many ways.

The whole thing sounds so toxic - it's way beyond greedy.

Yeah, you've got it right! DS3 recently copied DS1 and had a love marriage, but didn't tell anyone. His son told his Mum in an argument what his Dad has done, then he admitted it.

It's all so toxic and stupid. If it were up to me, I'd leave it all to charity.

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 05/08/2025 00:32

The younger three brothers sound awful.

Eldest son should stand his ground!

ResultsMayVary · 05/08/2025 00:20

It sounds like decades later so much has changed - the father and son 1 reconciled, the family attitudes to love marriages, changed, divorces of, I assume, arranged marriages have happened.

So whether the eldest said he didn't want the land seems irrelevant in so many ways.

The whole thing sounds so toxic - it's way beyond greedy.

SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 13:44

StrictlySequinsandStiIettos · 04/08/2025 13:40

Okay.
Well, a quarter each, as we've all said.
Your kids get your husband's share, until they're old enough/fit enough/broke enough or wise enough to do the admin legwork like their (presumably older) cousins.
And hoping BIL4's wife copes with MIL as, toxic or not, it sounds like pass-the-parcel and all that land is actually morally/rightly hers in the first place, unless separated from her husband.
If she wanted eldest to have it because he will actually get the money for it and would have done right by her(?) then I do not blame her for calling you/wanting them to do right by her.
A risk though if eldest/DS3 has already thrown her out and LC.
Patriarchy sucks.

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Okay, thanks. The land belong to great grandfathers who have passed it down, its her husbands but she did have a right to say how it was shared but never consulted. I agree, patriarchy sucks.

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StrictlySequinsandStiIettos · 04/08/2025 13:40

Okay.
Well, a quarter each, as we've all said.
Your kids get your husband's share, until they're old enough/fit enough/broke enough or wise enough to do the admin legwork like their (presumably older) cousins.
And hoping BIL4's wife copes with MIL as, toxic or not, it sounds like pass-the-parcel and all that land is actually morally/rightly hers in the first place, unless separated from her husband.
If she wanted eldest to have it because he will actually get the money for it and would have done right by her(?) then I do not blame her for calling you/wanting them to do right by her.
A risk though if eldest/DS3 has already thrown her out and LC.
Patriarchy sucks.

SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 13:32

StrictlySequinsandStiIettos · 04/08/2025 13:28

Then I don't get it.
Sorry for being so obtuse.
You're all arguing over the ownership of land and keeping it within your own families when it actually sounds like a mill stone/albatross around your neck...if it is impossible to sell/so much hassle to sell.
So why would your children want or need it?
They are based and born here. Highly unlikely then, they'll move there or have the time to do the admin/pain of paperwork that goes with this.
If eldest brother had inherited all of it, would his children actually benefit?
Or is this just all a pissing contest?!

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Eldest son can’t travel that much, he wants his kids to have it as they can sell it on his behalf. Because they’re much younger.

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HappilyUrbanTrimmer · 04/08/2025 13:31

SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 13:11

Nothing is on the mothers name, never was. Her husband had it all on his name. It's such a mess all around.

That's irrelevant. If they were married the law of marriage is that property is effectively supposed to be held in common (in that it'sfine for it not to be, but the other partuis protected if it isn't). If a couple divorce then it doesn't matter whose name the assets are held in, the assets are split 50:50 unless one partner has greater need due to having children (obviously irrelevant here). If the marriage ends in the death of the person who has the assets in their name, the other person in the marriage has a right to claim on the estate for a reasonable proportion of the assets if the will leaves them unable to support themselves otherwise.

StrictlySequinsandStiIettos · 04/08/2025 13:28

Then I don't get it.
Sorry for being so obtuse.
You're all arguing over the ownership of land and keeping it within your own families when it actually sounds like a mill stone/albatross around your neck...if it is impossible to sell/so much hassle to sell.
So why would your children want or need it?
They are based and born here. Highly unlikely then, they'll move there or have the time to do the admin/pain of paperwork that goes with this.
If eldest brother had inherited all of it, would his children actually benefit?
Or is this just all a pissing contest?!

SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 13:23

StrictlySequinsandStiIettos · 04/08/2025 13:22

So we are talking land that nobody actually uses and only has value if you were to move there?
Who actually lives in India from all the brothers?
How do you stop people stealing it/building on it/squatting, if noone is there?
How much is it actually worth in pounds?
And what about your MIL?!!!!!!

None of the brothers live in India. I’m not sure how much it’s worth, but apparently a lot. MIL lives in UK with her 4th son.

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StrictlySequinsandStiIettos · 04/08/2025 13:22

SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 13:16

It's all in India. Selling land in India is so long winded and dreadful, its easier to transfer it. Eldest son is in his 60's, not amazing health but doesn't want to travel back and forth to India.

So we are talking land that nobody actually uses and only has value if you were to move there?
Who actually lives in India from all the brothers?
How do you stop people stealing it/building on it/squatting, if noone is there?
How much is it actually worth in pounds?
And what about your MIL?!!!!!!

SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 13:19

I have the answers I need, thank you all. Will follow the will and that's that.

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SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 13:18

JMSA · 04/08/2025 13:05

Funny how they don’t ‘estrange’ themselves from the cash.

Fair enough!

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SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 13:17

AprilShowers25 · 04/08/2025 13:16

As far as I understand it you cannot renounce an inheritance in advance, it has to be after the death.

Oh, did not know that!

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SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 13:17

StrictlySequinsandStiIettos · 04/08/2025 13:15

Blimey OP, can you get to 11.38am please?!! P4
I have questions.... Wink

Haha, I think I've answered!

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SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 13:17

Scottishgirl85 · 04/08/2025 13:10

So basically living his life like a normal member of society? He was/is an adult, why do his parents have any right to tell him what to do? I find it both fascinating and alarming that anyone would consider his behaviour rebellious.

Yeah, its because he didn't want an arranged marriage like his brothers.

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SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 13:16

StrictlySequinsandStiIettos · 04/08/2025 11:38

Is the land in the UK or in India?
Your MIL now lives with her fourth son and his new wife?
Culturally, is new wife expected to be her carer?
What date was FIL's will written, how long ago?
Who were they living with when he was alive?
Who took care of him?
Why is there no provision for his wife? Who was expected to take care of her?
What are the long term plans for her?

I would be selling the land and, depending on how old your children are, passing the money to them or putting it into a trust.
Depending on how much £ there is, I would be potentially giving half (or your own share) to BIL4 (or his new wife) for the ongoing upkeep of your MIL which, cultural or not, is a massive undertaking.
If the land and extended family are all in the UK then I am amazed your MIL has not contested the will tbf. It should have all gone to her if a dependent. If she has to go into care, will it not be seen as deprivation of assets just passing down the whole inheritance to the next generation?

It's all in India. Selling land in India is so long winded and dreadful, its easier to transfer it. Eldest son is in his 60's, not amazing health but doesn't want to travel back and forth to India.

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AprilShowers25 · 04/08/2025 13:16

As far as I understand it you cannot renounce an inheritance in advance, it has to be after the death.

StrictlySequinsandStiIettos · 04/08/2025 13:15

Blimey OP, can you get to 11.38am please?!! P4
I have questions.... Wink

SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 13:15

5128gap · 04/08/2025 08:33

No more greedy that the rest of his brothers who want him to give it up so they can have it. Personally I think that everyone who circles and moithers about the contents of a will is coming at it from a position of greed, because its always about getting their mitts on someone else's cash that they've not earned themselves. In this case the deceased was clear, so there isn't anything to fight about.

I agree.

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SequinTheDay · 04/08/2025 13:15

MyrrAgain · 04/08/2025 08:16

What someone said 40 years ago, maybe before they had children etc is not always relevant today.

The dad wanted it split 4 ways and also had 40 years to think about it and change things if he wanted to.

Maybe having children himself the 1st son sees things differently and wants to pass it on to his children so he’s doing so. Makes sense. Maybe the dad wanted this too which is why he left the 25%!

I agree.

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