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To throw my 16 yr old son out after he squared up to me

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summerviews · 03/08/2025 23:31

I have been busy all weekend sanding the staircase. My son brought two big bags of washing down and asked if they could be done. I said of course.
An hour or so had passed and I thought I'd ask him to put a wash on. He did this, no bother.
A couple of hours later I asked him to pop his washing into the dryer. Which he did.
Roll on this evening my eldest came home and wanted to get a wash on ready for work tomorrow. He put it on a quick wash. Once it's done, he goes to the dryer and realises stuff is in there and it's still wet! My 16 yr old son says he doesn't know why, and wants to take it out regardless. I explain that he should keep it in the dryer and let it dry properly or the clothes will stink if left damp or wet. He tells me I'm to blame as the dryer is my responsibility. I let this narky comment slide and calmly tell him to leave the washing in and turn it back on.
I know what's happened, he's put his washing in there earlier and not started it at the beginning of the cycle, so it's only done a half cycle, if that. But I say nothing (I pick my battles).
Literally less than five mins later 16 yr old walks to dryer and begins to pull everything out to check if it's dry yet. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I say "son, do you actually want to die?! In a playful, yet exasperated tone. "Put the washing back in!" I get up and begin to make my way over there to put everything back in, as he's just standing there with an angry look. As I'm walking, he says, "SAY THAT AGAIN!!". I tell him not to talk to me like that, that I'm trying to help him. He is still stood stock still, fists clenched and butts me with his chest (like a 'come on then!' kind of thing) he's done that to me once before a very long time ago and he was distraught with himself for being so horrible to me. I'm shocked at his reactions to say the least as it was never that deep as I now realise he's being aggressive and this is ridiculous behaviour. I tell him to stop and to have some respect, I remind him I'm his mother and to never do that to me again because I won't tolerate it! He then loudly shouts that I'm a "BITCH!" in my face. So I quickly walk away from him. I'm literally gasping for words, as I'm so upset and shocked. I shout to him to pack a bag and get out, that I will not stand for violent abusive behaviour from a child of mine.
I text his dad to come and get him (were not together). I say to him, don't ask my why ATM, son will explain.
He goes upstairs packs some stuff and leaves, shouting a cheery "bye everyone!" as he goes. Once son has left, I text dad asking him to talk to son about domestic abuse and that I don't tolerate it, and that I am ashamed of son's actions.
An hour or so later my phone is flooded with voice notes and messages from his dad accusing me of saying "do you want to die??" And that son was right to react the way he did and me saying it was abusive and violent is just the sort of thing I would typically do.
Ex was extremely abusive when we were together. That's the reason I left him.
Since then he has been a great father. No signs of abuse with new partner and soin look up to him.
For the rest of the evening I'm told I'm cancerous and is why no one wants to be with me and I'm a pathetic excuse of a mother.
I remind him of the abuse he has done when together and that I should not have expected anything in the way of advice to son from such an abuser. He continues to flood my phone with how I deserved what I got when we were together and that son is better off with him as I'm a pathetic excuse.
I blocked him. I can't take anymore of his abuse. I have been sobbing all evening.
I know my son will be upset with his actions today.
I was hasty in calling his dad, I know that now. At the time I was frightened and wanted to show my son I wouldn't tolerate such abuse.
I'm still sobbing. I don't want my son turning out like his father. I shouldn't have sent him to him. I've sent him into the lions den.

OP posts:
Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 11:08

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 11:00

So you think that excusing verbal/emotional abuse is ok?

And bizarrely trying to stop someone from speaking in the context of that. You trying to "out" me as a male has what relevance here. Have you suggested a potential solution or just ranted and raved over cherry picked comments, out of context.

@ZeroSpoons

who has been emotionally/verbally abusive?

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 11:07

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 10:53

How did you reach that conclusion? Have you not read what else I've said. No of course you haven't because you're only here to make arguments - you don't give a shit about the issue. Just to argue with people.

@ZeroSpoons

because you said I would blame the males in any situation. I said well, do you not blame the males in OP’s situation? A question you haven’t actually answered btw…

TuMadreEsLoca · 04/08/2025 11:07

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 11:06

That's a bit of a reach.

I can imagine that's why boys may feel like the baddie regardless.

Not saying that's what some boys too, but to consign someone to that, after the OP (who might be biased or not telling the whole truth - not doubting that she is but hypothetically) one incident you want to bury one person forever?

Tell me you’re a “boy mom” without telling me…

Overwhelmedandunderfed · 04/08/2025 11:07

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 10:16

Why have children if you abandon them at the earliest opportunity - to think that some parents don't believe that actually parenting involves teaching their children (not absolving themselves of all responsibility). JFC no wonder there's so many dysfunctional families with attitudes like this.

Human beings with our own feelings and yet so many have none for other people. Including suggesting parents abandon their children at the earliest opportunity.

Nothing you can say will change my mind. If my child wanted to hit me they would be out. He has somewhere to go.

I could argue about you being an enabler etc but I won’t. I gave my opinion to the OP because she’s asking for opinions, I’m not asking for opinions at the moment.

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 11:06

JackGrealishsBobbySocks · 04/08/2025 09:45

Having had daughters in the school system here, what depresses me is that this boy will probably be treating the girls at school with vocal contempt, sexual slurs and possibly outright intimidation and violence, and the schools will be pandering to that behaviour just as much as several posters on this thread believe OP should be doing.

That's a bit of a reach.

I can imagine that's why boys may feel like the baddie regardless.

Not saying that's what some boys too, but to consign someone to that, after the OP (who might be biased or not telling the whole truth - not doubting that she is but hypothetically) one incident you want to bury one person forever?

Gemmawemma9 · 04/08/2025 11:05

You’ve done nothing wrong. Your son has learned how to be an abuser from his father. Take a strong stance against this OP, for your own sake and his future partner.

TuMadreEsLoca · 04/08/2025 11:04

OP I’m interested in the reaction/response of your older son. What does he reckon to it all?

Apologies if I have missed this anywhere.

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 11:00

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 04/08/2025 10:25

I think we just found ourselves a male poster.

So you think that excusing verbal/emotional abuse is ok?

And bizarrely trying to stop someone from speaking in the context of that. You trying to "out" me as a male has what relevance here. Have you suggested a potential solution or just ranted and raved over cherry picked comments, out of context.

HAL200 · 04/08/2025 10:59

SheridansPortSalut · 04/08/2025 10:43

There is no jokey way of saying that.

Obviously his behaviour is unacceptable but you need to look at your own communication style too. I suspect that you are not as calm and reasonable as you think you are.

Edited

Of course there is a "jokey" way of that that. If not, do you think OP had grabbed a kitchen knife and started threatening her son over a tumble dryer??🙄

As a PP said - most families have a family "culture" that makes jokes in one family unique to them.

My family love the Royle Family and my sons call each other "little gay boy" like Jim Royle does. You would no doubt be clutching your pearls with shock and horror hearing this and yelling "HOMOPHOBIA!!!" at my very out there, totally tolerant, pride loving sons.

Op's son was being a shit and acting like a complete idiot. She acted fine in a very provoking situation, and allowed his dad to take him, nothing wrong with that.

OlivePeer · 04/08/2025 10:54

SheridansPortSalut · 04/08/2025 10:43

There is no jokey way of saying that.

Obviously his behaviour is unacceptable but you need to look at your own communication style too. I suspect that you are not as calm and reasonable as you think you are.

Edited

It's a really common joke to make. This thread is so confusing. He interpreted it as an insult, not a threat to his life, hence his reaction.

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 10:53

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 10:25

@ZeroSpoons

so you DONT think it’s the fault of the males in OP’s situation?? You think it’s OP’s fault? Wow! Talk about victim blaming…

How did you reach that conclusion? Have you not read what else I've said. No of course you haven't because you're only here to make arguments - you don't give a shit about the issue. Just to argue with people.

Fragmentedbrain · 04/08/2025 10:53

summerviews · 04/08/2025 10:33

Thank you for your reply.
Your last paragraph is exactly how we are in my household. I run a chilled household. It's a very happy home and I'm proud of what I've achieved.

To other posters:

I left his dad when son was 3 or 4. During this time, what triggered me to finally leave was when my son at the time was mimicking some of his dad's behaviour. He also began to change personality from a loving gently boy to one who was the complete opposite.
That was enough for me and I left him.
My son reverted back to his former self within a week. I've never looked back.

Ex has never shown signs of abuse to the kids. Although, I do know he likes to continue to mock me at any given opportunity. It's like he resents me or something. But I never rise to it or react to it. I pretend it's water off a ducks back.
Their dad is jealous of what I have achieved, I know this. However, he will act supportive and place himself just on the edge of my awareness and pose as a caring considerate father, asking for me to use him to help.

It's clear from his reaction last night that he is still jealous and abusive and absolutely waiting for me to fall, and then kick me while I'm down.
He is a pure bonafide narcissist. He thinks he has the upper hand but he doesn't.

I have had a bit of a sleep.

I will wait for DC to contact me, as I know he will.
I will accept his apology and will explain why I do not condone aggressive threatening behaviour.
Whilst I have screenshots of his dad's messages from last night, I think showing them to DC will only act as playing off one parent against the other - and I'm not about that. He can see what his dad is like and if he wants to ask questions, I'll always answer them truthfully. But I am not playing a tit for tat game. I don't play games.

His dad will retreat back to the rock he came from. He will go quiet in fear of me exposing some of the things I captured from my screenshots. And ther he will quietly wait for anything to happen again, where he may be needed. And then he will pounce and tell me what a shit parent I am and how superior he is.
I actually never need to have contact with that man ever again, now that children are older and have phones of their own. So I will grey rock him.

My household will return to normal, the warm, energetic, happy household, although with son slightly remorseful for a few days.

Thank you for your replies. Some have helped.

Ok but eventually he's going to do it to someone who isn't his mummy and they're not going to give a toss how warm and happy his household normally is.

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 10:48

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 10:30

All those saying Op told him he was going to die and that this somehow justifies what he did (it’s doesn’t btw) urgh - are you always so literal??

at the end of the day, this is all the son and his fathers fault, OP is not to blame in any way, shape or form. Which I know is really hard for some of the internalised misogynists on here to accept…

Ah here you are, perhaps reading up on autism/ASD, perhaps even CPTSD and rather than being judgemental, be empathic towards other people and what they may go through. Not everyone's experience is exactly the same as yours.

It is logical to take things literally, because it involves the truth. Sarcasm is false. Or it may not be sarcasm and may be an actual threat. Many people ASD don't understand social cues etc and so find navigating the majority POV difficult because they have to try to understand so much that is never explained.

Explaining that does not justify someone's further behaviour but may provide an explanation as to why, instead of just blackballing them permanently - reprimanding them without understanding would further exasperate them. Have you ever been in a situation where you didn't know how to do something, that those who did withheld the information, then told you off for doing it wrong - it's like that.

Now I'm not saying that this kid is ASD, but that's why some people take it literal, or they may just not like sarcasm, and see it for what it is. In an abusive household I know exactly what it is.

Snorlaxo · 04/08/2025 10:45

*In this context it CLEARLY means:
Clothes are still wet, they can get mouldy, so will affect your health
OP your son took this in another way. Like a physical threat to him. Kind of "I will kill you if you do not do your chores properly". *

It’s not clear at all- I had absolutely no idea that’s what OP meant and I’m a grown woman who isn’t stressed about my clothes being dry. Now that you’ve explained it to me, it makes sense that she’s referring to mould killing him rather than a jokey comment about her killing him.

I agree that the son didn’t understand the comment and took it as a threat hence the aggressive reaction. It’s not an excuse but it explains the unusual behaviour.

SheridansPortSalut · 04/08/2025 10:43

summerviews · 04/08/2025 00:51

My comment to him was made in a "do you want a death wish" kind of jokey way. I didn't mean any harm at all 😞

There is no jokey way of saying that.

Obviously his behaviour is unacceptable but you need to look at your own communication style too. I suspect that you are not as calm and reasonable as you think you are.

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 10:39

summerviews · 04/08/2025 10:33

Thank you for your reply.
Your last paragraph is exactly how we are in my household. I run a chilled household. It's a very happy home and I'm proud of what I've achieved.

To other posters:

I left his dad when son was 3 or 4. During this time, what triggered me to finally leave was when my son at the time was mimicking some of his dad's behaviour. He also began to change personality from a loving gently boy to one who was the complete opposite.
That was enough for me and I left him.
My son reverted back to his former self within a week. I've never looked back.

Ex has never shown signs of abuse to the kids. Although, I do know he likes to continue to mock me at any given opportunity. It's like he resents me or something. But I never rise to it or react to it. I pretend it's water off a ducks back.
Their dad is jealous of what I have achieved, I know this. However, he will act supportive and place himself just on the edge of my awareness and pose as a caring considerate father, asking for me to use him to help.

It's clear from his reaction last night that he is still jealous and abusive and absolutely waiting for me to fall, and then kick me while I'm down.
He is a pure bonafide narcissist. He thinks he has the upper hand but he doesn't.

I have had a bit of a sleep.

I will wait for DC to contact me, as I know he will.
I will accept his apology and will explain why I do not condone aggressive threatening behaviour.
Whilst I have screenshots of his dad's messages from last night, I think showing them to DC will only act as playing off one parent against the other - and I'm not about that. He can see what his dad is like and if he wants to ask questions, I'll always answer them truthfully. But I am not playing a tit for tat game. I don't play games.

His dad will retreat back to the rock he came from. He will go quiet in fear of me exposing some of the things I captured from my screenshots. And ther he will quietly wait for anything to happen again, where he may be needed. And then he will pounce and tell me what a shit parent I am and how superior he is.
I actually never need to have contact with that man ever again, now that children are older and have phones of their own. So I will grey rock him.

My household will return to normal, the warm, energetic, happy household, although with son slightly remorseful for a few days.

Thank you for your replies. Some have helped.

Glad that it's likely to be resolved in a good way 👍

Thanks for the explanation

Best of luck to OP & family in the future 🍀

Naunet · 04/08/2025 10:35

Maddy70 · 04/08/2025 09:52

I expect them to me managing and responsible for their behaviours as soon as they are able with supportive guidance from their parents, which allows them to make mistakes and come back from them and learn how to be better whether that is age 2 or 20!

How does that work then, when you're telling OP to apologise to him after he's squared up to her and called her a bitch?

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 10:35

Kibble19 · 04/08/2025 09:01

Not reading this entire bloody thread, but had the ADHD/ASD klaxon gone yet? We can’t be six pages in without it, surely.

Are you talking about using sarcasm as a "joke"? Nope it hasn't been mentioned (the fact that abusers and bullies use sarcasm all the time isn't missed on me).

A lot of things have, including taking that child to the police (even if the ex's behaviour for 16 years never was), abandoning the child, amongst others. Seems to be an unfair amount of wanting to hold that child responsible for anything any male has ever done (scapegoating). So many suggest that sarcasm is only for clever people and those who don't understand must be low iq or some other personal insult. Shedloads of cherry picking, and fundamentally very little empathy and/or understanding.

If anyone makes a suggestion/solution constructively, someone will try to suggest that they're victim blaming the OP, whilst not suggesting anything themselves. Frankly I find the whole thing triggering and bizarre. I believe there are many who are just arguing for the sake of it/trolling.

summerviews · 04/08/2025 10:33

UsernameMcUsername · 04/08/2025 09:13

Some of the responses here....

Your son was 101% out of line. I hope for both your sakes you can find a way forward beyond kicking him out (a way forward which involves him apologising and working through whatever triggered this), but his actions were completely unacceptable. But Mumsnet is incredibly odd about this - if an OH even breathes the wrong way its instant LTB, but if your male offspring kicks off everyone wants to know what you did to trigger the poor innocent child, even if said poor little child is a hulking 16yo. Meanwhile back in the real world a 16yo who squares up to people over stupid comments is going to get the shit kicked out of him some day soon.

The comment you made depends on your family culture, for want of a better word. My household has teen and preteen boys and we all do a lot of banter back and forth, lines of dialogue from films, weird in jokes etc. Its all quite silly and obviously theatrical, but I suspect some people might be shocked by it!

Thank you for your reply.
Your last paragraph is exactly how we are in my household. I run a chilled household. It's a very happy home and I'm proud of what I've achieved.

To other posters:

I left his dad when son was 3 or 4. During this time, what triggered me to finally leave was when my son at the time was mimicking some of his dad's behaviour. He also began to change personality from a loving gently boy to one who was the complete opposite.
That was enough for me and I left him.
My son reverted back to his former self within a week. I've never looked back.

Ex has never shown signs of abuse to the kids. Although, I do know he likes to continue to mock me at any given opportunity. It's like he resents me or something. But I never rise to it or react to it. I pretend it's water off a ducks back.
Their dad is jealous of what I have achieved, I know this. However, he will act supportive and place himself just on the edge of my awareness and pose as a caring considerate father, asking for me to use him to help.

It's clear from his reaction last night that he is still jealous and abusive and absolutely waiting for me to fall, and then kick me while I'm down.
He is a pure bonafide narcissist. He thinks he has the upper hand but he doesn't.

I have had a bit of a sleep.

I will wait for DC to contact me, as I know he will.
I will accept his apology and will explain why I do not condone aggressive threatening behaviour.
Whilst I have screenshots of his dad's messages from last night, I think showing them to DC will only act as playing off one parent against the other - and I'm not about that. He can see what his dad is like and if he wants to ask questions, I'll always answer them truthfully. But I am not playing a tit for tat game. I don't play games.

His dad will retreat back to the rock he came from. He will go quiet in fear of me exposing some of the things I captured from my screenshots. And ther he will quietly wait for anything to happen again, where he may be needed. And then he will pounce and tell me what a shit parent I am and how superior he is.
I actually never need to have contact with that man ever again, now that children are older and have phones of their own. So I will grey rock him.

My household will return to normal, the warm, energetic, happy household, although with son slightly remorseful for a few days.

Thank you for your replies. Some have helped.

OP posts:
ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 04/08/2025 10:33

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 04/08/2025 10:26

I’m sure you felt very superior saying that 👍

Superior? I'd hope it was bog standard.

I'm suggesting the the op's son isn't going to see a joke that is masquerading as a threat because of his environment.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 10:30

All those saying Op told him he was going to die and that this somehow justifies what he did (it’s doesn’t btw) urgh - are you always so literal??

at the end of the day, this is all the son and his fathers fault, OP is not to blame in any way, shape or form. Which I know is really hard for some of the internalised misogynists on here to accept…

Blank1234 · 04/08/2025 10:28

notacooldad · 04/08/2025 08:20

But you said “do you want to die?” Don’t condone his behaviour at all but why would you say that over a teen checking a dryer?

Because it was a daft joke.

Even the daftest of kids would know that. Mine were as daft as a brush and I'll say you'll be dead by the morning if you carry on, and other such things. The most I'd get from my moody adolescent teens was 'There, you go again mum!!!' And a massive eye roll.

For a kid to square up to his mum is some serious shit. It is either learned behaviour, and we know the father was abusive or he has something going on that is making him angry to flare up so quickly.

Because it was a daft joke. Even the daftest of kids would know that … not those brought up in an abusive household, with a violent abusive dad for a ‘role model’.

OP your words were very wrong. You sending your son to his abusive dad and expecting said abusive dad to teach his son not to be abusive is utterly ridiculous. I think you need help as a family - I hope you get it.

For those saying ‘do you want to die’ was a joke - it’s really not a phrase anyone would use in the context of wet clothes 😵‍💫

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 10:27

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 10:22

If they take a joke the wrong way? Interesting... How can a "joke" be taken the wrong way? If you have to say stuff like that, then perhaps it's not a joke. And then we take it further - is it ok to verbally/emotionally abused?

Did the boy abuse? No. So in one respect you're saying that abuse is ok, in another it's not. And you were talking about victim blaming. Maybe stop seeing children as threats, and treat them like children whilst instructing them on what is ok behaviour and what isn't.

@ZeroSpoons

he did abuse him mother - he assaulted her.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 04/08/2025 10:26

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 04/08/2025 10:21

Well, I have three sons and I've never had any of them square up to me, swear at me or pack a bag to leave home in anger. But then, none of them have a history of living in a home with domestic abuse, none of them have been primed for violence and I've never told any of them that they are going to die.

I’m sure you felt very superior saying that 👍

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 04/08/2025 10:25

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 10:11

I'd imagine you see this in every situation - all males are evil 🙄 they are to blame regardless...

I think we just found ourselves a male poster.

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