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To throw my 16 yr old son out after he squared up to me

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summerviews · 03/08/2025 23:31

I have been busy all weekend sanding the staircase. My son brought two big bags of washing down and asked if they could be done. I said of course.
An hour or so had passed and I thought I'd ask him to put a wash on. He did this, no bother.
A couple of hours later I asked him to pop his washing into the dryer. Which he did.
Roll on this evening my eldest came home and wanted to get a wash on ready for work tomorrow. He put it on a quick wash. Once it's done, he goes to the dryer and realises stuff is in there and it's still wet! My 16 yr old son says he doesn't know why, and wants to take it out regardless. I explain that he should keep it in the dryer and let it dry properly or the clothes will stink if left damp or wet. He tells me I'm to blame as the dryer is my responsibility. I let this narky comment slide and calmly tell him to leave the washing in and turn it back on.
I know what's happened, he's put his washing in there earlier and not started it at the beginning of the cycle, so it's only done a half cycle, if that. But I say nothing (I pick my battles).
Literally less than five mins later 16 yr old walks to dryer and begins to pull everything out to check if it's dry yet. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I say "son, do you actually want to die?! In a playful, yet exasperated tone. "Put the washing back in!" I get up and begin to make my way over there to put everything back in, as he's just standing there with an angry look. As I'm walking, he says, "SAY THAT AGAIN!!". I tell him not to talk to me like that, that I'm trying to help him. He is still stood stock still, fists clenched and butts me with his chest (like a 'come on then!' kind of thing) he's done that to me once before a very long time ago and he was distraught with himself for being so horrible to me. I'm shocked at his reactions to say the least as it was never that deep as I now realise he's being aggressive and this is ridiculous behaviour. I tell him to stop and to have some respect, I remind him I'm his mother and to never do that to me again because I won't tolerate it! He then loudly shouts that I'm a "BITCH!" in my face. So I quickly walk away from him. I'm literally gasping for words, as I'm so upset and shocked. I shout to him to pack a bag and get out, that I will not stand for violent abusive behaviour from a child of mine.
I text his dad to come and get him (were not together). I say to him, don't ask my why ATM, son will explain.
He goes upstairs packs some stuff and leaves, shouting a cheery "bye everyone!" as he goes. Once son has left, I text dad asking him to talk to son about domestic abuse and that I don't tolerate it, and that I am ashamed of son's actions.
An hour or so later my phone is flooded with voice notes and messages from his dad accusing me of saying "do you want to die??" And that son was right to react the way he did and me saying it was abusive and violent is just the sort of thing I would typically do.
Ex was extremely abusive when we were together. That's the reason I left him.
Since then he has been a great father. No signs of abuse with new partner and soin look up to him.
For the rest of the evening I'm told I'm cancerous and is why no one wants to be with me and I'm a pathetic excuse of a mother.
I remind him of the abuse he has done when together and that I should not have expected anything in the way of advice to son from such an abuser. He continues to flood my phone with how I deserved what I got when we were together and that son is better off with him as I'm a pathetic excuse.
I blocked him. I can't take anymore of his abuse. I have been sobbing all evening.
I know my son will be upset with his actions today.
I was hasty in calling his dad, I know that now. At the time I was frightened and wanted to show my son I wouldn't tolerate such abuse.
I'm still sobbing. I don't want my son turning out like his father. I shouldn't have sent him to him. I've sent him into the lions den.

OP posts:
EmeraldShamrock000 · 04/08/2025 17:18

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:15

I love banter. Banter is usually funny though.

I found it funny when DM threatened me. She often said "I'll bleeding murder you, if you do it again" she never touched a hair on my head aggressively.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:18

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 04/08/2025 14:24

You escalated the situation right from the start. in fact there wasnt a situation at all. Maybe you were exhausted from your stairs DIY.
Anyhow He will apologise - he lost his temper - but kept physical control. You will no doubt apologise - you created, then wound up the dryer 'situation'.
There's lessons for you both. And im sure you can work out what they are.

This is utter bollocks. I’m sorry but OP didn’t create any situation. She made a joke which landed badly and caused her son to become aggressive and abusive. And in what world is chest bumping his mother with his fists clenched and calling her a bitch ‘keeping control of his anger’ ? OP is absolutely not responsible for his reaction - he is. She has nothing to apologise for and if she did so it would feed into his misogyny. His appalling attitude towards women and his inability to control his aggressiveness is what needs to be addressed here.’You made me do it’ doesn’t apply here. At all.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 04/08/2025 17:15

Is he home yet? I hope you're okay today.
It's not easy raising teenagers. 😕

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:15

ruethewhirl · 04/08/2025 17:12

It's called banter. Same sort of thing as 'I'll kill you if you don't stop leaving the toilet seat up.' 🤷‍♀️

I love banter. Banter is usually funny though.

ruethewhirl · 04/08/2025 17:12

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:08

Why did OP say if you want to die? It makes no sense.

It's called banter. Same sort of thing as 'I'll kill you if you don't stop leaving the toilet seat up.' 🤷‍♀️

JackGrealishsBobbySocks · 04/08/2025 17:10

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:05

I think if you apply some calm logic here (seriously lacking on this thread), you’ll probably find that she said menstrual, and meant ‘pre menstrual’. As in hormonal - he’s a teenager. So many posters here making batshit reaches in order to blame OP for the actions of an aggressive young man who clearly has a problem with anger management and contempt for women. Don’t think l’ve seen so much misogyny on one thread, and the fact that it’s coming from women is really concerning.

Edited

I think there is at least one MRA too, but yes, it largely seems to be women sticking the boot into OP.

You can tell they are going to be such sympathetic mothers-in-law when their own darling sons maltreat their wives

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:08

Why did OP say if you want to die? It makes no sense.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:05

SheridansPortSalut · 04/08/2025 14:21

He's acting menstrual?

That's the kind of comment misogynists throw about. I'd expect that from his dad, based on your description, but not from you.

Again, you might want to look at your own communication style.

I think if you apply some calm logic here (seriously lacking on this thread), you’ll probably find that she said menstrual, and meant ‘pre menstrual’. As in hormonal - he’s a teenager. So many posters here making batshit reaches in order to blame OP for the actions of an aggressive young man who clearly has a problem with anger management and contempt for women. Don’t think l’ve seen so much misogyny on one thread, and the fact that it’s coming from women is really concerning.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 17:00

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 04/08/2025 14:24

You escalated the situation right from the start. in fact there wasnt a situation at all. Maybe you were exhausted from your stairs DIY.
Anyhow He will apologise - he lost his temper - but kept physical control. You will no doubt apologise - you created, then wound up the dryer 'situation'.
There's lessons for you both. And im sure you can work out what they are.

@Iwanttoliveonamountain

yeah he didn’t keep physical control did he? If he had he wouldn’t have even been in her personal space never mind bumping her with her chest. The only person escalating situation was the son.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 16:57

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 15:30

You said it happened before what made him do it before did you say something similar to him again that triggered this over reaction in him?

@AlertEagle

Op didn’t “make” him do anything. He made himself do it. It’s all him.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 16:56

Oldglasses · 04/08/2025 14:10

His behaviour was terrible and unacceptable, but 'do you want to die' is such a weird turn of phrase - my young adult DC would react badly to that (not squaring up but would be very wtaf mum and maybe quite upset). We joke around a lot but that would be too far for me.
I hope you can patch things up and come to some sort of understanding.

@Oldglasses

your adults children sound quite sensitive?

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 16:42

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 15:30

You said it happened before what made him do it before did you say something similar to him again that triggered this over reaction in him?

This is just vile. If OP’s partner had displayed the same attitude would you still be calling it an over reaction and blaming OP ? He’s sixteen, he’s aggressive and he’s verbally abusive. He’s as much of a threat to his mother - and judging by his thinly veiled misogyny to any female who gets n his way - as a fully grown man.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 16:41

Maddy70 · 04/08/2025 09:52

I expect them to me managing and responsible for their behaviours as soon as they are able with supportive guidance from their parents, which allows them to make mistakes and come back from them and learn how to be better whether that is age 2 or 20!

So you think the comment about OP being responsible for the drier, the fact that he squared up to her with clenched fists, chest bumped her and called her a bitch, were all a mistake ?

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 15:30

You said it happened before what made him do it before did you say something similar to him again that triggered this over reaction in him?

CustardySergeant · 04/08/2025 15:27

SheridansPortSalut · 04/08/2025 14:21

He's acting menstrual?

That's the kind of comment misogynists throw about. I'd expect that from his dad, based on your description, but not from you.

Again, you might want to look at your own communication style.

I did think that was a very bizarre thing for the OP to say. It made no sense at all. 😕

MistressoftheDarkSide · 04/08/2025 15:18

Sounds as if the OPhas a good handle on the situation going forward, and I hope very much things can be improved upon and resolved in a short space of time.

Reading some of the replies has been interesting, and one thing I would add is that sometimes a situation can go from 0 - 100 in almost a split second, without time to "choose your words" or do a big picture calculation. Also, there are occasions where you have a bewildering "row" with a lived one, apparently out of nowhere, and later on, when the dust settles, and you manage to talk it out, you realise you've actually got someone else's argument, possibly a boss or a colleague or any other figure where the consequences of "squaring up" will have "more serious" repercussions that one would wish to avoid

It's like a child screaming "I hate you" because they want to vent, and you're the safe space. I've had it in otherwise loving relationships, where someone finally goes off like a pressure cooker, and whoever is on the receiving end has no idea WTF has happened or where it came from, until later.

I'm not excusing any of it by the way, it's more from a position of both understanding how things blow up out of nowhere and also acknowledging that the aggression is wrong and needs to be addressed, when things have calmed down.

On a wider note, the whole "laundry" and misogyny issues reminded me of a thread I was active on a while back, about Jordan bloody Peterson. I made the point that mothers have been telling their sons to tidy their rooms for years, with extreme resistance and rudeness (Speaking from experience), and then along comes the Prof saying the same and it's like enlightenment from on high. Someone clapped back with "well how would you like it if a member of the opposite sex told you what to do".

I don't think I managed to write a coherent reply because it was just like having a bucket of cold "woman know your place" water chucked over me. And it made me so angry and sad that still, even in terms of child rearing and relationships, women are seen as lesser, and deserving of being kept in their place, even by their sons, whose best interests are usually foremost in their minds.

Anyway, this whole thread has been thought provoking in many ways, but most importantly I hope the OP and her son can work things out constructively and that he understands how hurtful and scary his behaviour was to a woman who by all accounts has protected and nurtured him as a single parent for over a decade, and also that she was entitled to defend herself to prevent it escalating by getting him out of the house. That takes some guts and should help with boundaries moving forward.

ruethewhirl · 04/08/2025 14:53

3bluellamas · 04/08/2025 06:34

I think you handled this very badly. Teenage boys are rude sometimes. How you handle this is crucial to your ongoing relationship. He was frustrated about the washing/drying. His behaviour was bad but you don’t tell your own child to leave in this sort of situation unless you are trying to be dramatic. You are the parent and the adult. Your teenage son is still learning how to handle anger and frustration and his brain is still ten years off being fully developed. He will make mistakes.

Rude? You seriously think something like this can be trivialised as just 'rude'?! For crying out loud.

GoBackToTheStart · 04/08/2025 14:34

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 04/08/2025 14:24

You escalated the situation right from the start. in fact there wasnt a situation at all. Maybe you were exhausted from your stairs DIY.
Anyhow He will apologise - he lost his temper - but kept physical control. You will no doubt apologise - you created, then wound up the dryer 'situation'.
There's lessons for you both. And im sure you can work out what they are.

Chest bumping your mother is in no way keeping physical control

Harriethulas · 04/08/2025 14:32

You didn’t say anything wrong, many many mums here in the real world say things along the lines of ‘do you have a death wish?’

You need to keep setting firm boundaries with him and explain to him that real men do not bully and intimidate women (or men!)

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 04/08/2025 14:24

You escalated the situation right from the start. in fact there wasnt a situation at all. Maybe you were exhausted from your stairs DIY.
Anyhow He will apologise - he lost his temper - but kept physical control. You will no doubt apologise - you created, then wound up the dryer 'situation'.
There's lessons for you both. And im sure you can work out what they are.

SheridansPortSalut · 04/08/2025 14:21

He's acting menstrual?

That's the kind of comment misogynists throw about. I'd expect that from his dad, based on your description, but not from you.

Again, you might want to look at your own communication style.

NeuroSpicyCat · 04/08/2025 14:19

PyongyangKipperbang · 04/08/2025 01:51

I get it.

Its like "Mum, I am going for a bath now" when I am filthy after some DIY or something and me saying "Not unless you have a death wish you aint!!" in a laughy jokey way.

My youngest son got like this just before he turned 15. I was a single parent too and looking back he was trying to Alpha. Ended up with me slapping him around the face for screaming "FUCK OFF!!!!" right up close. So he called the police to get me arrested.

Got the biggest bollocking of his life from the police.

Trying to Alpha?

Murdoch1949 · 04/08/2025 14:18

I expect your son will hold out an olive branch after time at his dad's is not nirvana. Before he returns meet him in a neutral place to discuss what happened and how you can both go forward. Establish some new house rules, with input from his brother, but make it clear that you never want to feel threatened again. You can say that is how you felt sometimes with their dad, unless they witnessed it, without going into details.

WhereYouLeftIt · 04/08/2025 14:13

"Whilst I have screenshots of his dad's messages from last night, I think showing them to DC will only act as playing off one parent against the other - and I'm not about that. He can see what his dad is like and if he wants to ask questions, I'll always answer them truthfully. But I am not playing a tit for tat game. I don't play games."

"He can see what his dad is like" - are you sure of that? I wouldn't be. You also said "Ex was extremely abusive when we were together. That's the reason I left him. Since then he has been a great father. No signs of abuse with new partner and soin look up to him."

Your son can only see what his dad is like to himself, he cannot see what his dad is like to you - not unless either you or his dad show him. His father is clearly doing his damnedest to not show your son what an abuser he is.

I'm not saying you should show your son the screenshots, but right now I'd expect he's being fed a narrative by his dad, and since you're taking the high road / keeping quiet about it, your son has no narrative countering whatever his father feeds him. So no - your son cannot see what his dad is like as he is only being provided with half the picture.

I think you should consider giving your son the information he needs to form a true picture. The untrue picture he currently holds may have been a factor in his aggression towards you.

Oldglasses · 04/08/2025 14:10

His behaviour was terrible and unacceptable, but 'do you want to die' is such a weird turn of phrase - my young adult DC would react badly to that (not squaring up but would be very wtaf mum and maybe quite upset). We joke around a lot but that would be too far for me.
I hope you can patch things up and come to some sort of understanding.