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To throw my 16 yr old son out after he squared up to me

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summerviews · 03/08/2025 23:31

I have been busy all weekend sanding the staircase. My son brought two big bags of washing down and asked if they could be done. I said of course.
An hour or so had passed and I thought I'd ask him to put a wash on. He did this, no bother.
A couple of hours later I asked him to pop his washing into the dryer. Which he did.
Roll on this evening my eldest came home and wanted to get a wash on ready for work tomorrow. He put it on a quick wash. Once it's done, he goes to the dryer and realises stuff is in there and it's still wet! My 16 yr old son says he doesn't know why, and wants to take it out regardless. I explain that he should keep it in the dryer and let it dry properly or the clothes will stink if left damp or wet. He tells me I'm to blame as the dryer is my responsibility. I let this narky comment slide and calmly tell him to leave the washing in and turn it back on.
I know what's happened, he's put his washing in there earlier and not started it at the beginning of the cycle, so it's only done a half cycle, if that. But I say nothing (I pick my battles).
Literally less than five mins later 16 yr old walks to dryer and begins to pull everything out to check if it's dry yet. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I say "son, do you actually want to die?! In a playful, yet exasperated tone. "Put the washing back in!" I get up and begin to make my way over there to put everything back in, as he's just standing there with an angry look. As I'm walking, he says, "SAY THAT AGAIN!!". I tell him not to talk to me like that, that I'm trying to help him. He is still stood stock still, fists clenched and butts me with his chest (like a 'come on then!' kind of thing) he's done that to me once before a very long time ago and he was distraught with himself for being so horrible to me. I'm shocked at his reactions to say the least as it was never that deep as I now realise he's being aggressive and this is ridiculous behaviour. I tell him to stop and to have some respect, I remind him I'm his mother and to never do that to me again because I won't tolerate it! He then loudly shouts that I'm a "BITCH!" in my face. So I quickly walk away from him. I'm literally gasping for words, as I'm so upset and shocked. I shout to him to pack a bag and get out, that I will not stand for violent abusive behaviour from a child of mine.
I text his dad to come and get him (were not together). I say to him, don't ask my why ATM, son will explain.
He goes upstairs packs some stuff and leaves, shouting a cheery "bye everyone!" as he goes. Once son has left, I text dad asking him to talk to son about domestic abuse and that I don't tolerate it, and that I am ashamed of son's actions.
An hour or so later my phone is flooded with voice notes and messages from his dad accusing me of saying "do you want to die??" And that son was right to react the way he did and me saying it was abusive and violent is just the sort of thing I would typically do.
Ex was extremely abusive when we were together. That's the reason I left him.
Since then he has been a great father. No signs of abuse with new partner and soin look up to him.
For the rest of the evening I'm told I'm cancerous and is why no one wants to be with me and I'm a pathetic excuse of a mother.
I remind him of the abuse he has done when together and that I should not have expected anything in the way of advice to son from such an abuser. He continues to flood my phone with how I deserved what I got when we were together and that son is better off with him as I'm a pathetic excuse.
I blocked him. I can't take anymore of his abuse. I have been sobbing all evening.
I know my son will be upset with his actions today.
I was hasty in calling his dad, I know that now. At the time I was frightened and wanted to show my son I wouldn't tolerate such abuse.
I'm still sobbing. I don't want my son turning out like his father. I shouldn't have sent him to him. I've sent him into the lions den.

OP posts:
Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 18:28

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 04/08/2025 18:21

Man or women I would not accept anyone making a “joke” like that to me. I’ve never heard anyone make that comment in real life, except for in a threatening way (boys in school about to fight).

It’s abuse- and even if not intended that way it’s incredibly stupid for a parent to make it towards a child who has already witness and been the victim of parental domestic abuse.

And the fact there’s so many people on here saying that it’s not a joke/ a weird thing to say shows that the comment could conceivably have been taken at face value by the son. Doesn’t excuse his behaviour but certainly can go some way to explaining it.

The ‘joke’ came after OP told her son to put the clothes back in the drier as they were wet. He took them out five minutes later expecting them to be dry - hence the comment ‘do you want to die’, as in putting on wet clothes is bad for your health. It wasn’t a threat and if you read OP’s updates the boy has never witnessed or been the victim of parental domestic abuse. He was little more than a toddler when they split up and OP confirms his dad was never abusive to the children.

It doesn’t matter which way the boy took this, his response was totally out of order. Posters are tying themselves up in knots trying to blame OP for his reaction when the plain fact is, it’s entirely on him, and will only escalate if not corrected. It sounds to me as though this has gone beyond what OP can deal with - especially as he’s still in contact with his father who clearly is abusive towards women, so will be a terrible influence and will undoubtedly try to undo anything OP does. I would be looking for professional help in the form of a self referral to social services.

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 04/08/2025 18:21

usedtobeaylis · 04/08/2025 08:35

So many posts telling a woman and mother to essentially walk on eggshells when she's making a joke. Fuck off with it. I dare say she had enough of that with her ex.

Man or women I would not accept anyone making a “joke” like that to me. I’ve never heard anyone make that comment in real life, except for in a threatening way (boys in school about to fight).

It’s abuse- and even if not intended that way it’s incredibly stupid for a parent to make it towards a child who has already witness and been the victim of parental domestic abuse.

And the fact there’s so many people on here saying that it’s not a joke/ a weird thing to say shows that the comment could conceivably have been taken at face value by the son. Doesn’t excuse his behaviour but certainly can go some way to explaining it.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 18:20

Quitelikeit · 04/08/2025 18:10

It wasn’t nice what he said but you also may need to ask yourself if you came across as a decent person as you could have came across quite condescending by the words and tone

Respect is a two way street

And the aggressive, threatening and abusive response of a sixteen year old boy who perceives that his mother is ‘disrespecting’ him isn’t remotely acceptable no matter what she said or how he perceived it. The respectful response from a decent person would have been to ask what she meant, not to square up to her and verbally abuse her. So yes, respect is definitely a two way street, and there was none coming OP’s way.

Fragmentedbrain · 04/08/2025 18:18

pikkumyy77 · 04/08/2025 17:33

What a shitty thing to say.

🤷🏻‍♀️

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 18:11

tripleginandtonic · 04/08/2025 17:51

Hang on OP, you were the one that started all this. Yabu

OK you win the thread for the most unthought through, inane and ridiculous comment so far. Congratulations, you had some serious competition.

Quitelikeit · 04/08/2025 18:10

It wasn’t nice what he said but you also may need to ask yourself if you came across as a decent person as you could have came across quite condescending by the words and tone

Respect is a two way street

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 18:09

tothelefttotheleft · 04/08/2025 18:01

@Cherrytree86

People can focus on more than one thing.

It was language that made this situation escalate into threats of violence.

No. It was an entirely unwarranted reaction from a teenager with a shitty attitude towards women, who is unable to control his aggression. That’s what escalated it into threats of violence.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 18:06

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 08:18

How exactly was that in any way misogynistic? The kids behaviour was wrong, however where did "she explained about wet washing" come from? Or are we making things up to support people now.

Think this situation is starting to get the gaslighters out in force - nothing like people inventing things to support their position.

As I read from OP, she was sarcastic, kid didn't understand and overreacted. What did you read?

No gaslighting and no making things up. It’s right there in the OP - not my problem if you missed it. She told him that the clothes needed to stay in the drier and five minutes later he was taking them out - hence the comment ‘do you want to die’ as in, wearing wet clothes will make you ill. And the post was misogynistic in that it was blaming the OP. OP did not behave badly, she meant what she said as a joke - her son’s reaction is entirely on him.

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 18:03

SALaw · 04/08/2025 18:01

Completely unacceptable behaviour by your son and right for you to make it clear that it will not be tolerated under your roof. Also unacceptable communication by your ex and I would either maintain the block or limit communication from now on especially as children are older anyway. I don’t understand the “do you want to die?” comment or death wish explanation. How did doing what he did imply a death wish?

This.

I never said I agreed with what the Son did but OP didn't need to say the weird comment.

tothelefttotheleft · 04/08/2025 18:01

@Cherrytree86

People can focus on more than one thing.

It was language that made this situation escalate into threats of violence.

SALaw · 04/08/2025 18:01

Completely unacceptable behaviour by your son and right for you to make it clear that it will not be tolerated under your roof. Also unacceptable communication by your ex and I would either maintain the block or limit communication from now on especially as children are older anyway. I don’t understand the “do you want to die?” comment or death wish explanation. How did doing what he did imply a death wish?

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 18:01

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 17:57

@LemonCheesecake2025

I’m sorry for your loss and yes I think you’re being a bit over sensitive about what Op said - It was obviously not a threat to murder him.

To be fair none of us know what really happened. Its not something our household argue about.

It was a weird thing to say.

You seem to like accusing posters of things they haven't said.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 17:57

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:45

I certainly don't. However after losing a sibling when they were a teenager I'm probably oversensitive about killing and dying.

Some of you really like to make things up.

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@LemonCheesecake2025

I’m sorry for your loss and yes I think you’re being a bit over sensitive about what Op said - It was obviously not a threat to murder him.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 17:56

tripleginandtonic · 04/08/2025 17:51

Hang on OP, you were the one that started all this. Yabu

@tripleginandtonic

no, she wasn’t. He started it by being aggressive and calling her a bitch. No excuses for that.

tripleginandtonic · 04/08/2025 17:51

Hang on OP, you were the one that started all this. Yabu

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:49

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:35

It wasn’t a threat. OP was warning him that he would end up ill if he tried to wear damp clothes. He was taking them out of the drier five minutes after OP told him to leave them to dry. I seriously don’t believe so many posters genuinely don’t understand why she said it.

Well that makes no sense.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:49

wrongthinker · 04/08/2025 17:36

I assumed it was an autocorrect for mental?

Could well be, yes. Autocorrect is very weird these days.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:47

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 10:22

If they take a joke the wrong way? Interesting... How can a "joke" be taken the wrong way? If you have to say stuff like that, then perhaps it's not a joke. And then we take it further - is it ok to verbally/emotionally abused?

Did the boy abuse? No. So in one respect you're saying that abuse is ok, in another it's not. And you were talking about victim blaming. Maybe stop seeing children as threats, and treat them like children whilst instructing them on what is ok behaviour and what isn't.

So you don’t see an aggressive 16 year old squaring up to his mother with clenched fists, chest bumping her and calling her a bitch, as being in any way a threat ? OP can’t ‘instruct’ him as to what’s acceptable or not - she can only advise and guide - he has to figure that out for himself and get control of his aggression. And he’d better do it fast because if he displays this kind of attitude every time someone says something he doesn’t like, he’s not going to get very far.

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:45

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 17:33

@EmeraldShamrock000

clearly lots of posters on here think you would have been well within your rights to square up to your mother, knock her with your chest and call her a bitch.

The mind boggles…

I certainly don't. However after losing a sibling when they were a teenager I'm probably oversensitive about killing and dying.

Some of you really like to make things up.

ContactNightmare · 04/08/2025 17:36

JackGrealishsBobbySocks · 04/08/2025 17:10

I think there is at least one MRA too, but yes, it largely seems to be women sticking the boot into OP.

You can tell they are going to be such sympathetic mothers-in-law when their own darling sons maltreat their wives

I think it would be interesting if before you got married you could ask to know if your future MIL had a MN account and the name. Could be useful

wrongthinker · 04/08/2025 17:36

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:05

I think if you apply some calm logic here (seriously lacking on this thread), you’ll probably find that she said menstrual, and meant ‘pre menstrual’. As in hormonal - he’s a teenager. So many posters here making batshit reaches in order to blame OP for the actions of an aggressive young man who clearly has a problem with anger management and contempt for women. Don’t think l’ve seen so much misogyny on one thread, and the fact that it’s coming from women is really concerning.

Edited

I assumed it was an autocorrect for mental?

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:35

SheridansPortSalut · 04/08/2025 10:43

There is no jokey way of saying that.

Obviously his behaviour is unacceptable but you need to look at your own communication style too. I suspect that you are not as calm and reasonable as you think you are.

Edited

It wasn’t a threat. OP was warning him that he would end up ill if he tried to wear damp clothes. He was taking them out of the drier five minutes after OP told him to leave them to dry. I seriously don’t believe so many posters genuinely don’t understand why she said it.

pikkumyy77 · 04/08/2025 17:33

Fragmentedbrain · 04/08/2025 07:46

I think the ship has probably sailed on his core personality op. He's half his dad.

I hate that I have to live among these twatty jumped up teens - being a woman in the world is so much scarier than it used to be.

You did the right thing to boot him. Don't have him back.

What a shitty thing to say.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 17:33

EmeraldShamrock000 · 04/08/2025 17:18

I found it funny when DM threatened me. She often said "I'll bleeding murder you, if you do it again" she never touched a hair on my head aggressively.

@EmeraldShamrock000

clearly lots of posters on here think you would have been well within your rights to square up to your mother, knock her with your chest and call her a bitch.

The mind boggles…

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:31

Namechangerage · 04/08/2025 12:58

I worded it clumsily but I’m just saying - I wouldn’t throw him out knowing he would just have the option to go to abusive dad and learn more abusive behaviour.

I wouldn’t accept it, I would remove myself from the situation and probably stay with a friend or go to a hotel, as at that age she can absolutely leave the house and leave him and brother at home. Before coming back I would firmly tell him he has to get some counselling, I suspect the boy has picked up a lot of the behaviour from his dad sadly anyway. Yes it’s unfair the victim leaves but if safety is the concern it’s probably the safer option to get yourself out anyway.

It’s in no way acceptable but I would not want to push him closer to his dad knowing the history.

Thus sending the clear message to an aggressive teen that all he has to do is threaten his mother and he’ll have the house to himself to do as he likes.

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