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To throw my 16 yr old son out after he squared up to me

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summerviews · 03/08/2025 23:31

I have been busy all weekend sanding the staircase. My son brought two big bags of washing down and asked if they could be done. I said of course.
An hour or so had passed and I thought I'd ask him to put a wash on. He did this, no bother.
A couple of hours later I asked him to pop his washing into the dryer. Which he did.
Roll on this evening my eldest came home and wanted to get a wash on ready for work tomorrow. He put it on a quick wash. Once it's done, he goes to the dryer and realises stuff is in there and it's still wet! My 16 yr old son says he doesn't know why, and wants to take it out regardless. I explain that he should keep it in the dryer and let it dry properly or the clothes will stink if left damp or wet. He tells me I'm to blame as the dryer is my responsibility. I let this narky comment slide and calmly tell him to leave the washing in and turn it back on.
I know what's happened, he's put his washing in there earlier and not started it at the beginning of the cycle, so it's only done a half cycle, if that. But I say nothing (I pick my battles).
Literally less than five mins later 16 yr old walks to dryer and begins to pull everything out to check if it's dry yet. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I say "son, do you actually want to die?! In a playful, yet exasperated tone. "Put the washing back in!" I get up and begin to make my way over there to put everything back in, as he's just standing there with an angry look. As I'm walking, he says, "SAY THAT AGAIN!!". I tell him not to talk to me like that, that I'm trying to help him. He is still stood stock still, fists clenched and butts me with his chest (like a 'come on then!' kind of thing) he's done that to me once before a very long time ago and he was distraught with himself for being so horrible to me. I'm shocked at his reactions to say the least as it was never that deep as I now realise he's being aggressive and this is ridiculous behaviour. I tell him to stop and to have some respect, I remind him I'm his mother and to never do that to me again because I won't tolerate it! He then loudly shouts that I'm a "BITCH!" in my face. So I quickly walk away from him. I'm literally gasping for words, as I'm so upset and shocked. I shout to him to pack a bag and get out, that I will not stand for violent abusive behaviour from a child of mine.
I text his dad to come and get him (were not together). I say to him, don't ask my why ATM, son will explain.
He goes upstairs packs some stuff and leaves, shouting a cheery "bye everyone!" as he goes. Once son has left, I text dad asking him to talk to son about domestic abuse and that I don't tolerate it, and that I am ashamed of son's actions.
An hour or so later my phone is flooded with voice notes and messages from his dad accusing me of saying "do you want to die??" And that son was right to react the way he did and me saying it was abusive and violent is just the sort of thing I would typically do.
Ex was extremely abusive when we were together. That's the reason I left him.
Since then he has been a great father. No signs of abuse with new partner and soin look up to him.
For the rest of the evening I'm told I'm cancerous and is why no one wants to be with me and I'm a pathetic excuse of a mother.
I remind him of the abuse he has done when together and that I should not have expected anything in the way of advice to son from such an abuser. He continues to flood my phone with how I deserved what I got when we were together and that son is better off with him as I'm a pathetic excuse.
I blocked him. I can't take anymore of his abuse. I have been sobbing all evening.
I know my son will be upset with his actions today.
I was hasty in calling his dad, I know that now. At the time I was frightened and wanted to show my son I wouldn't tolerate such abuse.
I'm still sobbing. I don't want my son turning out like his father. I shouldn't have sent him to him. I've sent him into the lions den.

OP posts:
Jaws2025 · 04/08/2025 23:46

Living with domestic abuse is considered an ACE (adverse childhood experience). Of course it will have impacted him on some level.

Laura95167 · 04/08/2025 23:21

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 22:23

Why ? If you read the OP’s updates, she clearly says that her son wasn’t much more than a toddler when they split up and didn’t witness any DV. And her ex wasn’t abusive to the children.

Being a toddler and not on the receiving end of physical violence doesnt mean he wasnt impacted. Their will have been an atmosphere in the house, and kids notice more than people realise.

But I still dont think someone against violence should be saying things like "do you want to die?" Context is important there but her meaning and his understanding seem wildly far apart and she was the first to make a threat

Blank1234 · 04/08/2025 23:21

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 22:23

Why ? If you read the OP’s updates, she clearly says that her son wasn’t much more than a toddler when they split up and didn’t witness any DV. And her ex wasn’t abusive to the children.

And he started mimicking his dad’s behaviour 🤨 He clearly saw dv .. most kids do even when parents think they don’t. Not only that, but the dad has continued his tirade of abuse from afar - again dc will notice, see and be aware. OP asks ‘in an exasperated tone” do you want to die?” .. why exactly will taking wet clothes out of the dryer cause you to die? Why exactly? Not even to the young 16 year old, but to all adults, please explain why taking wet clothes out of the dryer will make you die??? It was a stupid thing to say, in an already vulnerable, traumatised home. THEN OP sends the child away to his abusive dad, and expects him to teach him why he shouldn’t be abusive to his mother! You couldn’t make it up! As pp’s have said, this whole family needs help and therapy.

AMRP · 04/08/2025 23:17

Totally unacceptable how your son and ex have acted violent towards you. Sending strength 💐

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 22:23

Laura95167 · 04/08/2025 22:11

I think if you and ExP had a DV rship, saying "do you want to die?" To DS might have been insensitive and started this confrontation that a teenager escalated.

His behaviour was disgusting and his dad should back you up but I dont think you should say such things to anyone in your home

Why ? If you read the OP’s updates, she clearly says that her son wasn’t much more than a toddler when they split up and didn’t witness any DV. And her ex wasn’t abusive to the children.

wrongthinker · 04/08/2025 22:12

Ffs it doesn't matter what she said to him. He threatened her and verbally abused her. That is not her fault for speaking, even if he disliked what she said. There are many levels to go through before getting to violence and abuse. E.g. asking "what do you mean?" Or leaving the room because you are feeling wound up and didn't like the comment that was made to you. Or even, "oh my God, why would you say that?"

Do you square up to anyone who makes a comment you find "weird" or unfunny? What kind of a way is that to go through life?

Laura95167 · 04/08/2025 22:11

I think if you and ExP had a DV rship, saying "do you want to die?" To DS might have been insensitive and started this confrontation that a teenager escalated.

His behaviour was disgusting and his dad should back you up but I dont think you should say such things to anyone in your home

ruethewhirl · 04/08/2025 21:52

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:15

I love banter. Banter is usually funny though.

Not necessarily. Sometimes it's just light-hearted comments.

fthisfthatfeverything · 04/08/2025 21:10

At least there won’t be a next time, he knows you will put him out.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 20:52

MistressoftheDarkSide · 04/08/2025 20:44

Once and for all, the OP was using dramatic hyperbole in a light hearted way to ram home that damp clothing can become mouldy and generally unpleasant, and in extreme cases it can impact one's health and well-being. It was not a threat, it was an attempt at getting her point across so that her son can become a functioning member of society and doesn't end up socially isolated because he smells musty, or gets a chill, or contact dermatitis etc.

Can we please get over the nit picking and suggestions that physical and verbal intimidation is an understandable response in any way to a mother trying to instil basic domestic skills in her truculent offspring?

This. All day long.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 20:52

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 20:47

If only you had just done his washing for him OP, then none of this would have happened…

surprised no one has said this given the bizarreness of some of these posts!

Me too. Expected it a long time ago. Suppose we need to be thankful for small mercies !!

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 20:51

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 20:36

You’re very biased here, you’re on her side because she’s a woman but she’s told her son ‘ do you want to die’ over a pile of washing. They are both in the wrong but one of them is a child and she’s the adult. I don’t know why she thought saying that it’s ok, their family needs collective therapy

No they’re not both in the wrong at all. He put the washing in the drier and attempted to take it out before it was dry. OP told him to put it back in the drier and five minutes later he was back doing the same thing. OP made a joke of it asking if he wanted to die - meaning that he needed to leave the washing to dry before he wore it or he would be ill. The posters splitting hairs over this are using it as a stick to beat OP with. It was meant as a joke. He clearly didn’t understand it. And that’s OK. What is not OK is his aggressive and abusive reaction. I’m not biased. Not one bit. No woman is responsible for a violent and abusive reaction from a male, to anything they say, whether it’s their partner or their child. Sixteen is old enough for him to know what he’s doing and that makes him as much of a threat as a full grown man. What you said was akin to telling OP she asked for it.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 20:47

If only you had just done his washing for him OP, then none of this would have happened…

surprised no one has said this given the bizarreness of some of these posts!

MistressoftheDarkSide · 04/08/2025 20:44

Once and for all, the OP was using dramatic hyperbole in a light hearted way to ram home that damp clothing can become mouldy and generally unpleasant, and in extreme cases it can impact one's health and well-being. It was not a threat, it was an attempt at getting her point across so that her son can become a functioning member of society and doesn't end up socially isolated because he smells musty, or gets a chill, or contact dermatitis etc.

Can we please get over the nit picking and suggestions that physical and verbal intimidation is an understandable response in any way to a mother trying to instil basic domestic skills in her truculent offspring?

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 20:36

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 20:27

It’s vile because of the way you couched the question.

You said it happened before what made him do it before did you say something similar to him again that triggered this over reaction in him?

It doesn’t matter what OP said or when. There is absolutely no excuse for her DS reacting in this manner. None. You’re intimating that OP is to blame because she ‘triggered’ him. His reaction was aggressive and abusive. That’s on him, not OP. And your attempt to blame the woman for that response is what’s vile. It akin to saying she asked for it. Shame on you.

You’re very biased here, you’re on her side because she’s a woman but she’s told her son ‘ do you want to die’ over a pile of washing. They are both in the wrong but one of them is a child and she’s the adult. I don’t know why she thought saying that it’s ok, their family needs collective therapy

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 20:27

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 19:36

How is me asking what happened the first time hes done it vile? If you dont have anything to say dont act like op’s spokesperson.

It’s vile because of the way you couched the question.

You said it happened before what made him do it before did you say something similar to him again that triggered this over reaction in him?

It doesn’t matter what OP said or when. There is absolutely no excuse for her DS reacting in this manner. None. You’re intimating that OP is to blame because she ‘triggered’ him. His reaction was aggressive and abusive. That’s on him, not OP. And your attempt to blame the woman for that response is what’s vile. It akin to saying she asked for it. Shame on you.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 20:22

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 19:57

@AlertEagle

youre missing a massive bit out of that - the bit where he squared up to her and called her a bitch. It wasn’t a case of - Op makes joke and then throws him out, was it

Agree. So many posters are very selective in what they’re reading of the OP and updates - either that or reading comprehension is massively in decline.

JackGrealishsBobbySocks · 04/08/2025 20:05

Thought of this thread as I just heard myself threatening to throttle my DD if she didn't tidy up her room before Wednesday. She called me a Nazi clean freak in retaliation.

There are some people really desperate to die on that hill of OP deserving this aggression from her son, hey.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 19:57

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 19:37

I disagree with you, the family dynamic is toxic. She said something out of order, instead of fixing the situation she told him to grab a bag and go to his abusive dad

@AlertEagle

youre missing a massive bit out of that - the bit where he squared up to her and called her a bitch. It wasn’t a case of - Op makes joke and then throws him out, was it

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 19:53

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 19:46

Yes, just not a funny one.

I don't get it to be honest because nobody has ever died wearing damp clothes. They have smelt funny though.

@LemonCheesecake2025

right! So an unfunny joke isn’t justification to get physically aggressive is it?

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 19:46

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 19:00

@LemonCheesecake2025

so we agree it was obviously not a threat and a joke

Yes, just not a funny one.

I don't get it to be honest because nobody has ever died wearing damp clothes. They have smelt funny though.

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 19:37

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 18:20

And the aggressive, threatening and abusive response of a sixteen year old boy who perceives that his mother is ‘disrespecting’ him isn’t remotely acceptable no matter what she said or how he perceived it. The respectful response from a decent person would have been to ask what she meant, not to square up to her and verbally abuse her. So yes, respect is definitely a two way street, and there was none coming OP’s way.

Edited

I disagree with you, the family dynamic is toxic. She said something out of order, instead of fixing the situation she told him to grab a bag and go to his abusive dad

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 19:36

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 16:42

This is just vile. If OP’s partner had displayed the same attitude would you still be calling it an over reaction and blaming OP ? He’s sixteen, he’s aggressive and he’s verbally abusive. He’s as much of a threat to his mother - and judging by his thinly veiled misogyny to any female who gets n his way - as a fully grown man.

Edited

How is me asking what happened the first time hes done it vile? If you dont have anything to say dont act like op’s spokesperson.

helpfulperson · 04/08/2025 19:29

What has been done to help him recover from the trauma of living in an abusive household? Obviously he shouldn't have done what he did but it sounds like it is behaviour he has learnt from his father. He may only have been 3 when you left but he will have memories of seeing his dad behave like that to you.

and to the poster talking about the OP's line being a serious warning - how is wearing wet clothes bad for your health? It's not comfortable but certainly nothing that is going to kill you.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 19:00

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 18:01

To be fair none of us know what really happened. Its not something our household argue about.

It was a weird thing to say.

You seem to like accusing posters of things they haven't said.

@LemonCheesecake2025

so we agree it was obviously not a threat and a joke