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To throw my 16 yr old son out after he squared up to me

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summerviews · 03/08/2025 23:31

I have been busy all weekend sanding the staircase. My son brought two big bags of washing down and asked if they could be done. I said of course.
An hour or so had passed and I thought I'd ask him to put a wash on. He did this, no bother.
A couple of hours later I asked him to pop his washing into the dryer. Which he did.
Roll on this evening my eldest came home and wanted to get a wash on ready for work tomorrow. He put it on a quick wash. Once it's done, he goes to the dryer and realises stuff is in there and it's still wet! My 16 yr old son says he doesn't know why, and wants to take it out regardless. I explain that he should keep it in the dryer and let it dry properly or the clothes will stink if left damp or wet. He tells me I'm to blame as the dryer is my responsibility. I let this narky comment slide and calmly tell him to leave the washing in and turn it back on.
I know what's happened, he's put his washing in there earlier and not started it at the beginning of the cycle, so it's only done a half cycle, if that. But I say nothing (I pick my battles).
Literally less than five mins later 16 yr old walks to dryer and begins to pull everything out to check if it's dry yet. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I say "son, do you actually want to die?! In a playful, yet exasperated tone. "Put the washing back in!" I get up and begin to make my way over there to put everything back in, as he's just standing there with an angry look. As I'm walking, he says, "SAY THAT AGAIN!!". I tell him not to talk to me like that, that I'm trying to help him. He is still stood stock still, fists clenched and butts me with his chest (like a 'come on then!' kind of thing) he's done that to me once before a very long time ago and he was distraught with himself for being so horrible to me. I'm shocked at his reactions to say the least as it was never that deep as I now realise he's being aggressive and this is ridiculous behaviour. I tell him to stop and to have some respect, I remind him I'm his mother and to never do that to me again because I won't tolerate it! He then loudly shouts that I'm a "BITCH!" in my face. So I quickly walk away from him. I'm literally gasping for words, as I'm so upset and shocked. I shout to him to pack a bag and get out, that I will not stand for violent abusive behaviour from a child of mine.
I text his dad to come and get him (were not together). I say to him, don't ask my why ATM, son will explain.
He goes upstairs packs some stuff and leaves, shouting a cheery "bye everyone!" as he goes. Once son has left, I text dad asking him to talk to son about domestic abuse and that I don't tolerate it, and that I am ashamed of son's actions.
An hour or so later my phone is flooded with voice notes and messages from his dad accusing me of saying "do you want to die??" And that son was right to react the way he did and me saying it was abusive and violent is just the sort of thing I would typically do.
Ex was extremely abusive when we were together. That's the reason I left him.
Since then he has been a great father. No signs of abuse with new partner and soin look up to him.
For the rest of the evening I'm told I'm cancerous and is why no one wants to be with me and I'm a pathetic excuse of a mother.
I remind him of the abuse he has done when together and that I should not have expected anything in the way of advice to son from such an abuser. He continues to flood my phone with how I deserved what I got when we were together and that son is better off with him as I'm a pathetic excuse.
I blocked him. I can't take anymore of his abuse. I have been sobbing all evening.
I know my son will be upset with his actions today.
I was hasty in calling his dad, I know that now. At the time I was frightened and wanted to show my son I wouldn't tolerate such abuse.
I'm still sobbing. I don't want my son turning out like his father. I shouldn't have sent him to him. I've sent him into the lions den.

OP posts:
ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 04/08/2025 07:47

In this context it CLEARLY means:
Clothes are still wet, they can get mouldy, so will affect your health

Bloody hell, Jonathan Edwards couldn't make that leap.

pinkstripeycat · 04/08/2025 07:46

Teenagers squaring up to their parents is part of growing up. My 2 sons did it to their dad.

They’re older now and more mature and wouldn’t dream of it, although they do still occasionally have a go at eachother.

It’s your ex that’s the problem as he’s condoning your son’s behaviour.

At 16 their brains aren’t mature, they still have hormones they can’t control. This is where it takes a male role model to explain how things are done. Your ex is not a role model. He’s clearly the opposite.

Fragmentedbrain · 04/08/2025 07:46

I think the ship has probably sailed on his core personality op. He's half his dad.

I hate that I have to live among these twatty jumped up teens - being a woman in the world is so much scarier than it used to be.

You did the right thing to boot him. Don't have him back.

Francestein · 04/08/2025 07:46

Chuck his wet clothes in a garbage bag and put them outside the front door and tell him that he's forgotten something.

MushMonster · 04/08/2025 07:44

Bologneselove · 04/08/2025 00:25

Why would you say that to your son. It’s a weird thing to say. Not condoning his behaviour as it was clearly poor but are you sure yours wasn’t too?

In this context it CLEARLY means:
Clothes are still wet, they can get mouldy, so will affect your health

OP your son took this in another way. Like a physical threat to him. Kind of "I will kill you if you do not do your chores properly".

Your son's behaviour is not acceptable.
He possibly is on the extra testosterone phase, or he is being bullied, or he is watching some of this modern incel shite online... that is what the parents should be looking into. Not validatimg what he did as your ex is doing. His father does not seem to be the right person to broach the subject indeed.
Your son acted quick tempered, angry and out of control. But you did act quick tempered too OP in the sense you are regretting calling his father. Does he have grandparents? They could be a better option, to be honest.

shirtsandskirts · 04/08/2025 07:42

I remember a Head Teacher who worked with very hormonal, volatile young teenagers. They often would explode without a thought for the consequences and back themselves into a corner. He would always begin by apologising for them being so upset and asking how to help. The toughest, most aggressive teenagers usually backed down, cried and apologised. They just needed help to extricate themselves from a difficult situation.
OP, you are the adult, you are the parent. Threatening jokes are not a great idea for volatile teenagers.
Ring up your son, ask to talk. Apologise that things got out of hand. Almost certainly he will apologise too and you can restore a positive relationship. Otherwise this will linger on and before you know it, he will have built up in his head that you hate him. Do you want to this? It is up to you to reach out and give him the opportunity to apologise. Be the grown up.

SpaceRaccoon · 04/08/2025 07:39

Anyway now you know. You have to be the perfect victim or you'll be picked apart over nonsense.
This place...

SpaceRaccoon · 04/08/2025 07:38

I KNEW MNrs would try and blame you. I get ii, its like "do you want to catch your death of cold?", you were trying to be jovial to diffuse his mood.

Coconutter24 · 04/08/2025 07:38

summerviews · 04/08/2025 00:51

My comment to him was made in a "do you want a death wish" kind of jokey way. I didn't mean any harm at all 😞

But you said “do you want to die?” Don’t condone his behaviour at all but why would you say that over a teen checking a dryer?

Redburnett · 04/08/2025 07:33

That was just totally ridiculous over a load of wet washing, he's a teenager. If you say things like 'do you want to die?' you run the risk of an immature teen taking it literally. I cannot understand why anyone would use such a comment in those circumstances, even as a pathetic joke. If you had not said that the escalation might have been prevented. As it is your DS should probably stay at his Dad's until everyone calms down.

Barnbrack · 04/08/2025 07:31

Theroadt · 04/08/2025 07:30

This. I totally understand why it unravelled and his behaviour was very poor but he is 16 not 26.

Then sent him off with his abuser

Gloriia · 04/08/2025 07:30

It sounds like you both overreacted.

You need to block the ex, let your ds communicate with him directly then you and your ds need to sit down apologise to each other and work out how you can do things better going forward.

1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:30

Cyclingmummy1 · 04/08/2025 07:26

Why couldn't he take the clothes out of the dryer and hang them on the clothes horse? Not the point of the post, I know, but I'm curious.

This is my point, I don't understand the way he was treated or spoken to at all. And that is based on what the mother has self reported about her own part in this, so I would guess the reality is worse

Barnbrack · 04/08/2025 07:30

summerviews · 04/08/2025 00:51

My comment to him was made in a "do you want a death wish" kind of jokey way. I didn't mean any harm at all 😞

I don't get it? Did you mean the wet clothes could kill him or were you actually saying if he kept taking clothes out he's be in danger of you killing him?

Theroadt · 04/08/2025 07:30

pikkumyy77 · 04/08/2025 01:44

Look—he is suxteen and he overreacted and experienced you as threatening him. And vice versa. Both of you are survivors of domestic abuse—both of you have PTSD. You also overreacted and treated him like a massive, threatening, male abuser. Like his father, in effect. You did not offer him any way to back down and reconnect or apologize to you while in the home. Now you are dealing with the fallout from this overreaction.

I get that at 16 he seems in your eyes to have jumped up to enemy territory. But there were lots of ways to de-escalate and return to normal relations. Stepping back, asking him to go to his room, apologizing for startling him, making a joke—these all might have defused his impetuous overreaction and allowed his more rational and maternal brain to come back on line. Throwing him out of the house and asking your abusive ex to play “big daddy” and threatening corrective was destructive to your mother/son relationship.

This. I totally understand why it unravelled and his behaviour was very poor but he is 16 not 26.

Cyclingmummy1 · 04/08/2025 07:26

Why couldn't he take the clothes out of the dryer and hang them on the clothes horse? Not the point of the post, I know, but I'm curious.

1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:24

Divebar2021 · 04/08/2025 07:19

No he didn’t accidentally bump into her.. he pushed his chest into her. He puffed it up in an aggressive manner ( which is a male, posturing manoeuvre as a pre cursor to fight) Surely your life has not been that sheltered?

but most of the OP is describing how the mother was aggressive to the boy, and there is one sentence which sounds ambiguous anyway, about the boy being aggressive to the mother, and then the shouting of "bitch" - but this account in itself doesn't sound like a reliable description of a child being the aggressor. Does it to you? The child was standing still, and the mother moving, by her own account

CountFucula · 04/08/2025 07:24

Is squaring up to someone ok if you don’t understand a joke? Or if you are so wooden headed you think you are going to be murdered but instead of sense checking ‘this is my mum, she’s talking about washing and has no bladed weapon, the threat level is low’ you decide to act on your fight or flight, that is perfectly justifiable??

Victim blaming hoo ha on this thread. “Put up with male violence because unless you behave in a completely non threatening and joke free manner what can you expect! “
My bar is set a bit higher for the men in my life, thanks.

CaptainFuture · 04/08/2025 07:19

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 04/08/2025 07:06

Well given that OP says her ex is verbally abusive, why is everyone assuming get son would have automatically got the joke. Maybe he has experienced threatening behaviour from his father and a comment like that from OP triggered his fight or flight.

I don’t think we can demand respect while making threats to our children like that. To me it’s not a joke, especially if said while approaching someone. OP’s son behaved badly but so did OP. In circumstances where OP knows her son has an abusive father, her own parenting, behaviour and conduct needs to be exemplary to counteract the father’s influence as much as possible.

Very much this, the posters with the 'you are faultless op... you've done NOTHING wrong' aren't helping.

Divebar2021 · 04/08/2025 07:19

1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:15

I am trying to get my head around this - he didn't understand what he had done wrong with the dryer. You didn't tell him. You just threatened to kill him? and he didn't see it as a joke? And he stood up and stood still, and then at some point your chests touched? But you were the one moving at that point not him?

No he didn’t accidentally bump into her.. he pushed his chest into her. He puffed it up in an aggressive manner ( which is a male, posturing manoeuvre as a pre cursor to fight) Surely your life has not been that sheltered?

Luckyingame · 04/08/2025 07:17

"Do you have a death wish" joke...
Brilliant. What do you all expect, especially nowadays? You are adults, this is still a child.
It's down to you, I'm afraid.

CountFucula · 04/08/2025 07:16

What is wrong with some posters ⬆️ ???

1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:15

I am trying to get my head around this - he didn't understand what he had done wrong with the dryer. You didn't tell him. You just threatened to kill him? and he didn't see it as a joke? And he stood up and stood still, and then at some point your chests touched? But you were the one moving at that point not him?

zaazaazoom · 04/08/2025 07:15

I'm sorry you both suffered through domestic violence. Did your son get counselling about it? Have you spoken about it with him? He is likely to have normalised this behaviour.

His Dad is obviously still abusive and likely is in his current relationship even if not as obviously.

I would wait for this to calm down. Take ds out for a coffee or a walk and talk about why you were so upset and how he feels about the way his dad treated you (and him).

CaptainMyCaptain · 04/08/2025 07:14

PyongyangKipperbang · 04/08/2025 01:51

I get it.

Its like "Mum, I am going for a bath now" when I am filthy after some DIY or something and me saying "Not unless you have a death wish you aint!!" in a laughy jokey way.

My youngest son got like this just before he turned 15. I was a single parent too and looking back he was trying to Alpha. Ended up with me slapping him around the face for screaming "FUCK OFF!!!!" right up close. So he called the police to get me arrested.

Got the biggest bollocking of his life from the police.

This is all kinds of wrong. Both the 'joke' and the slapping. I don't know what you are trying to say.

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