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summerviews · 03/08/2025 23:31

I have been busy all weekend sanding the staircase. My son brought two big bags of washing down and asked if they could be done. I said of course.
An hour or so had passed and I thought I'd ask him to put a wash on. He did this, no bother.
A couple of hours later I asked him to pop his washing into the dryer. Which he did.
Roll on this evening my eldest came home and wanted to get a wash on ready for work tomorrow. He put it on a quick wash. Once it's done, he goes to the dryer and realises stuff is in there and it's still wet! My 16 yr old son says he doesn't know why, and wants to take it out regardless. I explain that he should keep it in the dryer and let it dry properly or the clothes will stink if left damp or wet. He tells me I'm to blame as the dryer is my responsibility. I let this narky comment slide and calmly tell him to leave the washing in and turn it back on.
I know what's happened, he's put his washing in there earlier and not started it at the beginning of the cycle, so it's only done a half cycle, if that. But I say nothing (I pick my battles).
Literally less than five mins later 16 yr old walks to dryer and begins to pull everything out to check if it's dry yet. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I say "son, do you actually want to die?! In a playful, yet exasperated tone. "Put the washing back in!" I get up and begin to make my way over there to put everything back in, as he's just standing there with an angry look. As I'm walking, he says, "SAY THAT AGAIN!!". I tell him not to talk to me like that, that I'm trying to help him. He is still stood stock still, fists clenched and butts me with his chest (like a 'come on then!' kind of thing) he's done that to me once before a very long time ago and he was distraught with himself for being so horrible to me. I'm shocked at his reactions to say the least as it was never that deep as I now realise he's being aggressive and this is ridiculous behaviour. I tell him to stop and to have some respect, I remind him I'm his mother and to never do that to me again because I won't tolerate it! He then loudly shouts that I'm a "BITCH!" in my face. So I quickly walk away from him. I'm literally gasping for words, as I'm so upset and shocked. I shout to him to pack a bag and get out, that I will not stand for violent abusive behaviour from a child of mine.
I text his dad to come and get him (were not together). I say to him, don't ask my why ATM, son will explain.
He goes upstairs packs some stuff and leaves, shouting a cheery "bye everyone!" as he goes. Once son has left, I text dad asking him to talk to son about domestic abuse and that I don't tolerate it, and that I am ashamed of son's actions.
An hour or so later my phone is flooded with voice notes and messages from his dad accusing me of saying "do you want to die??" And that son was right to react the way he did and me saying it was abusive and violent is just the sort of thing I would typically do.
Ex was extremely abusive when we were together. That's the reason I left him.
Since then he has been a great father. No signs of abuse with new partner and soin look up to him.
For the rest of the evening I'm told I'm cancerous and is why no one wants to be with me and I'm a pathetic excuse of a mother.
I remind him of the abuse he has done when together and that I should not have expected anything in the way of advice to son from such an abuser. He continues to flood my phone with how I deserved what I got when we were together and that son is better off with him as I'm a pathetic excuse.
I blocked him. I can't take anymore of his abuse. I have been sobbing all evening.
I know my son will be upset with his actions today.
I was hasty in calling his dad, I know that now. At the time I was frightened and wanted to show my son I wouldn't tolerate such abuse.
I'm still sobbing. I don't want my son turning out like his father. I shouldn't have sent him to him. I've sent him into the lions den.

OP posts:
EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 04/08/2025 09:48

I think you know deep down the reason this has played out this way.

His dad was abusive. He will have had that role-modelled to him growing up and you have absolutely no idea what gets said about you outside of the home by his second family. I would expect there is a rhetoric of you being the problem and your ex painting himself as a victim - no doubt your son was then able to paint you as the villain of this particular scenario and the ex will have revelled in he opportunity to rewrite history once again to say you did similar to him - hence what happened in the past between you both.

Personally I’d be inviting the son to go and live with his dad full time. I’m going to guess that might have a negative financial impact on you but I would do it regardless. My eldest does square up to me sometimes but he is twelve and it’s never done with malice. Plus he has had a very positive and respectful relationship modelled to him his whole life so it doesn’t bother me. The kids know that no one calls me curse names though and the day one of them tries that we will have a HUGE problem.

JackGrealishsBobbySocks · 04/08/2025 09:45

Having had daughters in the school system here, what depresses me is that this boy will probably be treating the girls at school with vocal contempt, sexual slurs and possibly outright intimidation and violence, and the schools will be pandering to that behaviour just as much as several posters on this thread believe OP should be doing.

CountFucula · 04/08/2025 09:41

Maddy70 · 04/08/2025 09:03

Kindly do fuck off ...she is the adult here ..he is a 16 year old child , she has to take responsibility for her part in this. I am in no way justifying him squaring up to her ...

You very definitely ARE justifying it.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 09:38

Doatyradiator · 04/08/2025 09:30

And you are missing the fact that he actually was trying to do his own laundry - hardly the behaviour of an arch misogynist who refuses to do 'women's work'. You are also missing the fact that OP says he was ashamed of his previous behaviour.

This kid clearly has issues as a result of his upbringing and what he has witnessed. But there are clear signs of a decent underlying kid who, with appropriate direction and support, can be a decent adult man.

Its very notable that all those wanting to condemn this boy and saying 'this is how abusers are formed when they are excused' have nothing constructive to offer about what should be done instead - what is the constructive path that should be taken to stop him being an abuser? Do you honestly think condemning him and throwing him out of his home is it?

Its also very notable that those who have experienced living in aggressive households or have experience of working with trouble teens have a trauma informed approach and have understanding of what is behind this outburst, and constructive advice about how to work him to turn him into a self -regulating function adult.

I'm going with those who are following trauma informed approaches rather than those based on ideology with nothing helpful to offer.

The comment about the drier being OP’s responsibility is deeply misogynistic and informs his subsequent actions as reported by OP. The whole family are clearly traumatised by the ex’s actions, including OP. That does not excuse what the boy did, and the misogynistic pile on from those holding OP responsible is doing nothing to help either.

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 09:38

summerviews · 03/08/2025 23:31

I have been busy all weekend sanding the staircase. My son brought two big bags of washing down and asked if they could be done. I said of course.
An hour or so had passed and I thought I'd ask him to put a wash on. He did this, no bother.
A couple of hours later I asked him to pop his washing into the dryer. Which he did.
Roll on this evening my eldest came home and wanted to get a wash on ready for work tomorrow. He put it on a quick wash. Once it's done, he goes to the dryer and realises stuff is in there and it's still wet! My 16 yr old son says he doesn't know why, and wants to take it out regardless. I explain that he should keep it in the dryer and let it dry properly or the clothes will stink if left damp or wet. He tells me I'm to blame as the dryer is my responsibility. I let this narky comment slide and calmly tell him to leave the washing in and turn it back on.
I know what's happened, he's put his washing in there earlier and not started it at the beginning of the cycle, so it's only done a half cycle, if that. But I say nothing (I pick my battles).
Literally less than five mins later 16 yr old walks to dryer and begins to pull everything out to check if it's dry yet. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I say "son, do you actually want to die?! In a playful, yet exasperated tone. "Put the washing back in!" I get up and begin to make my way over there to put everything back in, as he's just standing there with an angry look. As I'm walking, he says, "SAY THAT AGAIN!!". I tell him not to talk to me like that, that I'm trying to help him. He is still stood stock still, fists clenched and butts me with his chest (like a 'come on then!' kind of thing) he's done that to me once before a very long time ago and he was distraught with himself for being so horrible to me. I'm shocked at his reactions to say the least as it was never that deep as I now realise he's being aggressive and this is ridiculous behaviour. I tell him to stop and to have some respect, I remind him I'm his mother and to never do that to me again because I won't tolerate it! He then loudly shouts that I'm a "BITCH!" in my face. So I quickly walk away from him. I'm literally gasping for words, as I'm so upset and shocked. I shout to him to pack a bag and get out, that I will not stand for violent abusive behaviour from a child of mine.
I text his dad to come and get him (were not together). I say to him, don't ask my why ATM, son will explain.
He goes upstairs packs some stuff and leaves, shouting a cheery "bye everyone!" as he goes. Once son has left, I text dad asking him to talk to son about domestic abuse and that I don't tolerate it, and that I am ashamed of son's actions.
An hour or so later my phone is flooded with voice notes and messages from his dad accusing me of saying "do you want to die??" And that son was right to react the way he did and me saying it was abusive and violent is just the sort of thing I would typically do.
Ex was extremely abusive when we were together. That's the reason I left him.
Since then he has been a great father. No signs of abuse with new partner and soin look up to him.
For the rest of the evening I'm told I'm cancerous and is why no one wants to be with me and I'm a pathetic excuse of a mother.
I remind him of the abuse he has done when together and that I should not have expected anything in the way of advice to son from such an abuser. He continues to flood my phone with how I deserved what I got when we were together and that son is better off with him as I'm a pathetic excuse.
I blocked him. I can't take anymore of his abuse. I have been sobbing all evening.
I know my son will be upset with his actions today.
I was hasty in calling his dad, I know that now. At the time I was frightened and wanted to show my son I wouldn't tolerate such abuse.
I'm still sobbing. I don't want my son turning out like his father. I shouldn't have sent him to him. I've sent him into the lions den.

Ok OP, I'm going to hazard a guess that your 16 yo doesn't know how to use the dryer. I'd figure that he felt ashamed/embarrassed that those wet clothes were still in there. When you highlighted it, undoubtedly it will have been in the presence of his older brother, making him look stupid (in his eyes). And then when you tried to intervene and fix it, further made him feel useless.

You've said that he's behaved like that before but he's been mortified by his own behaviour. The other parent when splits like this have happened, and there's been a situation, are always bad, and of course the pure truth is almost never said - it's always from our own perspective. From both sides. I'm not excusing anyone, nor accusing you of anything, as long as you were sincere.

I grew up in an emotionally abusive/neglectful family. I'm not saying yours is, however your ex must have had/has influence on your children. Sarcasm to me was part of the inconsistent (and downright insane) behaviour they exhibited. I struggle to understand when it is used now, not because I'm stupid, but that was my repeated experience - sarcasm one day, real threats the next, and a lot of crap between - randomly inconsistent behaviour. And so sarcasm was always treated by me as a threat. Because it was safer to do so than treating everything as a joke. I was also barred from using the washer & dryer because they claimed I would break them (despite never breaking anything), as well as not being allowed to use the cooker, take a bath unless at a specific time with hardly any water in... anyway you don't need my life story. It wasn't nice put it that way, but sarcasm was used by the abuser. And if I didn't "get" it then I was stupid for not understanding. But then apparently I was stupid for many things, including things they'd withheld explaining to me.

I'd figure a one to one talk is needed, with you explaining to him what you meant. Show him how to operate the dryer (in practice - when he has wet clothes, as well as when empty). And if he doesn't apologise immediately I'd say reinforce - tell him how his behaviour isn't acceptable, that in his future he can't behave like that but you also need an apology to continue.

bellabasset · 04/08/2025 09:34

It's a pity that his father was aggressive to you but I think I might have a word with the police for advice on domestic violence explaining about your experience with your ex and your son's response. One of my colleagues had a good relationship with her ex until he met soneone else and stopped seeing the children and she was fortunate that her brother's partner is available to help her, as her ex isn't allowed to go to her house. Neighbours called the police when tgey had a domestic and both ended up spending a night in custody with her brother taking the children overnight. Its difficult I understand and I hope the police advice can help so that your son understands what is acceptable.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 09:30

Maddy70 · 04/08/2025 08:52

There is no excuse for shitty behaviour but every single one of us has been shitty and horrible at times and teenagers more so as they are learning how to deal with hormonal rage and how to handle situations. Please be constructive for the op unless you think her son should remain with an abusive man who will teach him all the wrong ways to be a partner

The priority here was OP getting away from her son, so it’s unfortunate that the only ‘safe’ adult she could send him to was his dad. This would only be an option if they still had contact, so clearly her sons do spend time with him. You’re criticising another poster for not being ‘constructive’ while piling the blame onto OP in the post they replied to. That’s not very constructive either, and not helpful at all to OP.

Doatyradiator · 04/08/2025 09:30

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 08:59

Agree. The level of misogyny on the thread is shocking - particularly as it comes from other women. The boy made a misogynistic comment about the drier being his mother’s responsibility. OP also advised that this is not the first time he’s displayed this kind of behaviour. There’s a pattern emerging in his attitude towards women and if it’s not addressed it will continue and escalate, and his future partners will eventually be at the receiving end of it. At 16, and with such poor control over his anger he’s no less a threat to the OP than a partner displaying the same aggression would be, and posters would be telling her to throw him out. Such hypocrisy.

And you are missing the fact that he actually was trying to do his own laundry - hardly the behaviour of an arch misogynist who refuses to do 'women's work'. You are also missing the fact that OP says he was ashamed of his previous behaviour.

This kid clearly has issues as a result of his upbringing and what he has witnessed. But there are clear signs of a decent underlying kid who, with appropriate direction and support, can be a decent adult man.

Its very notable that all those wanting to condemn this boy and saying 'this is how abusers are formed when they are excused' have nothing constructive to offer about what should be done instead - what is the constructive path that should be taken to stop him being an abuser? Do you honestly think condemning him and throwing him out of his home is it?

Its also very notable that those who have experienced living in aggressive households or have experience of working with trouble teens have a trauma informed approach and have understanding of what is behind this outburst, and constructive advice about how to work him to turn him into a self -regulating function adult.

I'm going with those who are following trauma informed approaches rather than those based on ideology with nothing helpful to offer.

ByCyanMoose · 04/08/2025 09:30

Maddy70 · 04/08/2025 09:03

Kindly do fuck off ...she is the adult here ..he is a 16 year old child , she has to take responsibility for her part in this. I am in no way justifying him squaring up to her ...

Now I would never have expected this kind of language from someone who haunts Internet forums justifying domestic abuse. Truly shocking.

Screamingabdabz · 04/08/2025 09:28

I think you did the right thing op. I make jokey comments to my son like that in banter but if he ever laid a finger on me or squared up, I’d do exactly the same as you.

Let him stew in his own juices for a while then when things have calmed down go somewhere neutral for a coffee and have a chat. Clear the air. And that is essential. Calmly tell him you love him but you will not tolerate abuse.

AutumnLover1989 · 04/08/2025 09:26

Eenameenadeeka · 03/08/2025 23:44

He behaved badly, but what did you mean when you said "do you want to die?" Because its an odd thing to say? A threat?

Yes that was a weird thing to say 😲

ByCyanMoose · 04/08/2025 09:26

earlymorningwakeup · 04/08/2025 05:52

Bit of an over reaction on your part OP. So he forgot to put the dryer on a longer cycle so his clothes werent totally dry - all been there.

Yes, the clothes are absolutely the primary issue here. Jesus Christ.

SpaceRaccoon · 04/08/2025 09:26

Good point made above - that he viewed what she said as an INSULT, not a threat. This wasn't "my mum is going to kill me, must react in self-defence" - it was ego/"disrespect" "hard-man" stuff.

Exactly. He feels that his mother, as a woman, is beneath him, and he's free to bully, insult, threaten and assault her.

People saying so, what, just give up on him - I'm not sure what other choice the OP has while he presents a threat to her?

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 09:23

JMSA · 04/08/2025 09:14

So she just gives up on him?!?

No, but she did the right thing by asking him to leave. Just unfortunate that the only ‘safe’ adult is his dad. But the priority for OP’s safety was to get him to leave.

Batherssss · 04/08/2025 09:22

Keep those texts from your ex, he clearly is still abusive.

Give this space.
Let your son come to you.
Do not accept aggression under any circumstances.
He needs to learn to regulate himself.
You were clearly joking.

I'm sorr you are so upset.

OneNeatBlueOrca · 04/08/2025 09:22

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 09:18

A sixteen year old child who made a deeply misogynistic comment, called OP a bitch and then squared up to and chest bumped her with clenched fists - and he’s done it before. He’s no less a threat to OP than a fully grown aggressive male partner would be. And in that circumstance the advice here would have been to throw him out. What would you have had OP do ? They clearly still have contact with their father or sending him there wouldn’t have been an option. It’s not ideal, but then neither is the alternative.

Edited

Ok fine well she chucked him out and he likely wont come back.

Good job.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 09:21

TuMadreEsLoca · 04/08/2025 09:16

This thread is fucking horrendous. Some of you victim blaming trash bags should be utterly ashamed of yourselves.

When OP inevitably posts here in the future to say he’s physically assaulted her, the same posters will tell her she made him do it. Because that’s what they’re saying now.

Naunet · 04/08/2025 09:21

Maddy70 · 04/08/2025 09:03

Kindly do fuck off ...she is the adult here ..he is a 16 year old child , she has to take responsibility for her part in this. I am in no way justifying him squaring up to her ...

At what age do you expect boys to start taking responsibility for their agressive, misogynistic behaviour? Does it happen by magic when they hit 18?

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 09:18

OneNeatBlueOrca · 04/08/2025 09:05

Agreed. He is also a 16 yo child who was brought up with an extremely abusive father. And his mum immediately threw him out to be with him.

A sixteen year old child who made a deeply misogynistic comment, called OP a bitch and then squared up to and chest bumped her with clenched fists - and he’s done it before. He’s no less a threat to OP than a fully grown aggressive male partner would be. And in that circumstance the advice here would have been to throw him out. What would you have had OP do ? They clearly still have contact with their father or sending him there wouldn’t have been an option. It’s not ideal, but then neither is the alternative.

TuMadreEsLoca · 04/08/2025 09:16

This thread is fucking horrendous. Some of you victim blaming trash bags should be utterly ashamed of yourselves.

OlivePeer · 04/08/2025 09:15

Good point made above - that he viewed what she said as an INSULT, not a threat. This wasn't "my mum is going to kill me, must react in self-defence" - it was ego/"disrespect" "hard-man" stuff.

Driedupandleft · 04/08/2025 09:15

summerviews · 03/08/2025 23:31

I have been busy all weekend sanding the staircase. My son brought two big bags of washing down and asked if they could be done. I said of course.
An hour or so had passed and I thought I'd ask him to put a wash on. He did this, no bother.
A couple of hours later I asked him to pop his washing into the dryer. Which he did.
Roll on this evening my eldest came home and wanted to get a wash on ready for work tomorrow. He put it on a quick wash. Once it's done, he goes to the dryer and realises stuff is in there and it's still wet! My 16 yr old son says he doesn't know why, and wants to take it out regardless. I explain that he should keep it in the dryer and let it dry properly or the clothes will stink if left damp or wet. He tells me I'm to blame as the dryer is my responsibility. I let this narky comment slide and calmly tell him to leave the washing in and turn it back on.
I know what's happened, he's put his washing in there earlier and not started it at the beginning of the cycle, so it's only done a half cycle, if that. But I say nothing (I pick my battles).
Literally less than five mins later 16 yr old walks to dryer and begins to pull everything out to check if it's dry yet. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I say "son, do you actually want to die?! In a playful, yet exasperated tone. "Put the washing back in!" I get up and begin to make my way over there to put everything back in, as he's just standing there with an angry look. As I'm walking, he says, "SAY THAT AGAIN!!". I tell him not to talk to me like that, that I'm trying to help him. He is still stood stock still, fists clenched and butts me with his chest (like a 'come on then!' kind of thing) he's done that to me once before a very long time ago and he was distraught with himself for being so horrible to me. I'm shocked at his reactions to say the least as it was never that deep as I now realise he's being aggressive and this is ridiculous behaviour. I tell him to stop and to have some respect, I remind him I'm his mother and to never do that to me again because I won't tolerate it! He then loudly shouts that I'm a "BITCH!" in my face. So I quickly walk away from him. I'm literally gasping for words, as I'm so upset and shocked. I shout to him to pack a bag and get out, that I will not stand for violent abusive behaviour from a child of mine.
I text his dad to come and get him (were not together). I say to him, don't ask my why ATM, son will explain.
He goes upstairs packs some stuff and leaves, shouting a cheery "bye everyone!" as he goes. Once son has left, I text dad asking him to talk to son about domestic abuse and that I don't tolerate it, and that I am ashamed of son's actions.
An hour or so later my phone is flooded with voice notes and messages from his dad accusing me of saying "do you want to die??" And that son was right to react the way he did and me saying it was abusive and violent is just the sort of thing I would typically do.
Ex was extremely abusive when we were together. That's the reason I left him.
Since then he has been a great father. No signs of abuse with new partner and soin look up to him.
For the rest of the evening I'm told I'm cancerous and is why no one wants to be with me and I'm a pathetic excuse of a mother.
I remind him of the abuse he has done when together and that I should not have expected anything in the way of advice to son from such an abuser. He continues to flood my phone with how I deserved what I got when we were together and that son is better off with him as I'm a pathetic excuse.
I blocked him. I can't take anymore of his abuse. I have been sobbing all evening.
I know my son will be upset with his actions today.
I was hasty in calling his dad, I know that now. At the time I was frightened and wanted to show my son I wouldn't tolerate such abuse.
I'm still sobbing. I don't want my son turning out like his father. I shouldn't have sent him to him. I've sent him into the lions den.

I'm so sorry you've had to go through this.
I'm sure you're already aware it was a poor choice of words on your behalf but that obviously never excuses any form of abuse in retaliation.
What's he going to say next, 'you made me hit you' ?!?! That's straight of the abusers handbook isn't it ffs......

I agree that the father is not a healthy influence on your son and will only fuel the fire. By sticking up for him he is condoning the violence, minimising the incident and deflecting the blame.

Do not let this man (yes he is no longer a child) back in your house ever again until he has sought some form of therapy to address this violent streak that is clearly rumbling beneath the surface ready to explode.

JMSA · 04/08/2025 09:14

Lovageandgeraniums · 04/08/2025 09:12

Surely throwing him out to the only place she could - his father - was the right thing to do be they deserve each other.

OP can't control this, it's too late. The son is like his dad and should remain with him.

So she just gives up on him?!?

UsernameMcUsername · 04/08/2025 09:13

Some of the responses here....

Your son was 101% out of line. I hope for both your sakes you can find a way forward beyond kicking him out (a way forward which involves him apologising and working through whatever triggered this), but his actions were completely unacceptable. But Mumsnet is incredibly odd about this - if an OH even breathes the wrong way its instant LTB, but if your male offspring kicks off everyone wants to know what you did to trigger the poor innocent child, even if said poor little child is a hulking 16yo. Meanwhile back in the real world a 16yo who squares up to people over stupid comments is going to get the shit kicked out of him some day soon.

The comment you made depends on your family culture, for want of a better word. My household has teen and preteen boys and we all do a lot of banter back and forth, lines of dialogue from films, weird in jokes etc. Its all quite silly and obviously theatrical, but I suspect some people might be shocked by it!

Lovageandgeraniums · 04/08/2025 09:12

Surely throwing him out to the only place she could - his father - was the right thing to do be they deserve each other.

OP can't control this, it's too late. The son is like his dad and should remain with him.

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