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To think my cleaner shouldn’t bring her own child to work?

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Informercera · 03/08/2025 10:43

I’m really torn on this and would love some outside perspective.

We’ve had the same cleaner for just over a year and she’s been fantastic, reliable, thorough, really kind and trustworthy. We’ve always got on well and I genuinely like her. But over the past few weeks, since the summer holidays started, she’s been bringing her 10 year old daughter with her when she comes to clean.

Her daughter isn’t badly behaved at all. She just sits quietly on the sofa in our living room watching things on an iPad. Sometimes I hear little giggles or the sound of whatever she’s watching, but she’s not running around or causing chaos or anything like that.

Still, I’m finding it awkward. I work from home and I’m usually upstairs on Zoom calls or writing reports, and it just feels a bit strange knowing there’s a child downstairs while her mum is hoovering or mopping the floors. I don’t have children myself and I suppose I’m not used to having someone else’s in my personal space. It changes the dynamic a bit and makes it feel less like a professional service. I also can’t help worrying about the what ifs - what if something broke or she hurt herself? Would I be responsible?

I completely understand that school holidays are a nightmare for working parents and childcare is expensive. I don’t want to be unsympathetic. I haven’t said anything to her yet because I don’t want to come across as precious or unkind. But equally I’m paying for a service and this isn’t what I signed up for.

AIBU to feel uncomfortable about this and consider raising it gently with her? Or should I just let it go for a few more weeks until the holidays are over? I want to be fair but I also feel a bit blindsided. Would love to know what others think.

OP posts:
BlankBlankBlank14 · 03/08/2025 18:21

Bramblecrumb · 03/08/2025 16:15

I think you're being unreasonable! She's not causing any problems from what you've said. This sounds like you want to be annoyed at it but aren't sure why.

This sums it up…..

ButterCrackers · 03/08/2025 18:20

BlankBlankBlank14 · 03/08/2025 18:18

Although the OP has shown no concern about damage or theft…..

Honestly, your need to keep on with the “whataboutery” is odd. The child is there for a total of twelve hours over the six weeks holiday. It’s very unlikely that anything is going to happen really.

You seem overly anxious about unlikely events.

I keep at thought on the legal and insurance aspects. It’s stupid to ignore these.

SouthLondonMum22 · 03/08/2025 18:20

Thanksman · 03/08/2025 18:18

It was probably a Christmas gift, as if that matters.

Or maybe OP's cleaner isn't as poor as some pp's think.

Truth is, no one knows for sure.

BlankBlankBlank14 · 03/08/2025 18:19

ButterCrackers · 03/08/2025 18:16

Those saying that the cleaner isn’t paid enough - how much do you pay your cleaner if you have one (I don’t) and why do you choose to pay what you think is pennies instead of a living wage?

Edited

£18 per hr

Thanksman · 03/08/2025 18:18

SouthLondonMum22 · 03/08/2025 18:17

Not to mention the fact that the child has an ipad and they don't come cheap.

It was probably a Christmas gift, as if that matters.

BlankBlankBlank14 · 03/08/2025 18:18

ButterCrackers · 03/08/2025 18:11

Heres some news for you - accidents happen - this means that the breakage wasn’t intentional. Have you broken something unintentionally? Of course you have and the same for your family members and friends.

Although the OP has shown no concern about damage or theft…..

Honestly, your need to keep on with the “whataboutery” is odd. The child is there for a total of twelve hours over the six weeks holiday. It’s very unlikely that anything is going to happen really.

You seem overly anxious about unlikely events.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 03/08/2025 18:17

ButterCrackers · 03/08/2025 18:16

Those saying that the cleaner isn’t paid enough - how much do you pay your cleaner if you have one (I don’t) and why do you choose to pay what you think is pennies instead of a living wage?

Edited

Mine charges £15/Hr.

SouthLondonMum22 · 03/08/2025 18:17

ButterCrackers · 03/08/2025 18:15

Do you think that the cleaner would want this charity? Probably not as the child is unsupervised and she might be embarrassed to receive this benevolent gift. Donate to those in need instead.

Not to mention the fact that the child has an ipad and they don't come cheap.

ButterCrackers · 03/08/2025 18:16

MissHollysDolly · 03/08/2025 10:47

childcare is extortionate, your cleaner probably can’t afford it. Be kind - the child isn’t bothering you. Maybe get some nice snacks next time she’s there

Those saying that the cleaner isn’t paid enough - how much do you pay your cleaner if you have one (I don’t) and why do you choose to pay what you think is pennies instead of a living wage?

Wilfulignoranceabounds · 03/08/2025 18:15

@Informercera I’m going to speak to her, gently. I’ll try to keep it kind and non-confrontational - just say I’ve noticed her daughter’s been coming and that I do understand the challenges with childcare, but I wasn’t expecting to have someone else in the house and it’s made things feel a bit awkward. I’m hoping she’ll understand and maybe has an alternative arrangement lined up soon anyway.

You can speak to her as gently as you like but don’t kid yourself that you’re being kind. If you understood the challenges with childcare, you’d probably have a kinder view of her situation. The fact that she didn’t ask you suggests that her other clients are fine with her bringing her child… probably coz they know it’s not forever and it doesn’t impede her from doing her work. Your choice, though, but at least be clear about your objections. Making “things feel a bit awkward” sounds very vague and confusing… although, by the sounds of it, you don’t have a concrete reason anyway.

ButterCrackers · 03/08/2025 18:15

Betterbarbecues · 03/08/2025 17:47

I would feel a lot of compassion for both. If it happened in our house I would put together a box with a few craft items/age appropriate coloring/games/snacks. It sounds like they are both in a difficult situation and it would be horrible for the girl to feel like a burden.

Do you think that the cleaner would want this charity? Probably not as the child is unsupervised and she might be embarrassed to receive this benevolent gift. Donate to those in need instead.

AngelRoja · 03/08/2025 18:14

Informercera · 03/08/2025 12:03

Thank you so much to everyone who’s replied - I didn’t expect this many responses and I’ve read every single one. It’s been really helpful to see things from different angles, even if I still feel a bit conflicted.

Just to clarify a few things that came up - no, she didn’t ask in advance if she could bring her daughter. The first time it happened I thought maybe it was a one-off emergency, so I didn’t say anything. But this has now happened three times in a row and I’m realising it may be the plan for the whole summer. Her daughter isn’t disruptive, but she is there for the full two hours and I do hear the iPad sometimes. It’s not loud, but it’s not silent either. More than anything it just changes the feel of things - it’s different having a child in the house, even if she’s well behaved.

I should also say that I really like my cleaner and trust her completely. She’s been brilliant over the past year and has even picked up on little things around the house that I’ve missed. I don’t want to upset her or make her feel like she’s done something terribly wrong, especially when I know childcare over the summer is expensive and hard to arrange.

At the same time, I think it’s reasonable to feel unsure about the boundaries here. I’m paying for a professional service, and it just feels a bit off having someone’s child sitting in my living room while I’m upstairs on work calls. I don’t have children myself, so maybe that’s part of why it’s feeling intrusive. I also worry about the what ifs - like if she had an accident or touched something fragile.

I’m going to speak to her, gently. I’ll try to keep it kind and non-confrontational - just say I’ve noticed her daughter’s been coming and that I do understand the challenges with childcare, but I wasn’t expecting to have someone else in the house and it’s made things feel a bit awkward. I’m hoping she’ll understand and maybe has an alternative arrangement lined up soon anyway.

My guess is that you stand a good chance of ending up without a cleaner this summer if you dont want her child there, as it will probably be her alternative arrangement. It is hard to find someone to watch young children during the holidays if you cant pay childcare. If you are paying for professional services, do you mean, tax, insurance and a contract or that she is legally self employed and gives you a proper bill? Or do you mean she is good at her job but working cash in hand?

Either way, you should be asking her, not mumsnet. And it is so obvious you dont have much contact with working mothers. Summers used to be my nightmare time. Even the wealthier ones have problems in the summer holidays

ButterCrackers · 03/08/2025 18:11

redjeans28 · 03/08/2025 17:12

Why would a 10yo child break things? She hasn't broken anything yet has she?

Heres some news for you - accidents happen - this means that the breakage wasn’t intentional. Have you broken something unintentionally? Of course you have and the same for your family members and friends.

Iloveyoubut · 03/08/2025 18:10

x2boys · 03/08/2025 17:12

Np I have been on mumsnet for 15 years and there absolutely are double standards ,regarding men and women which you are choosing not to see

Ok you’re the issue here. Firstly you have told someone that they don’t actually think what they’ve said they think and now you’re telling me what I choose to see? That’s very problematic. No one can have a conversation with someone who dictates what they believe the other person is thinking and saying despite evidence to the contrary. There’s not point discussing it with you because you choose not to hear what is being said and quite literally reimagine aa reply that works better for you.

redjeans28 · 03/08/2025 18:07

Toptotoe · 03/08/2025 17:58

Not the greatest of arguments
No I don’t expect danger everywhere - I just know what can happen in these kinds of situations . I’m sorry if the difference is too nuanced for you to understand.
My life is not awful -it’s pretty fabulous actually 🤗

Yeah yeah. Your post is full of paranoia.

SouthLondonMum22 · 03/08/2025 18:01

AngelRoja · 03/08/2025 17:57

Sounds like OP hasnt asked her why she is bringing her either. There's nothing wrong with asking. But wondering about it and saying nothing isnt helpful. She'll get a straight answer without asking on social media. Whether or not she will put up with it depends on how much she values her cleaner

That's fair. I think OP thought it was a one off but then it has happened every time since.

I probably would've asked the first time.

Toptotoe · 03/08/2025 17:58

redjeans28 · 03/08/2025 17:51

It must be awful to imagine/expect danger everywhere. It's not naivety, it's real life.

Edited

Not the greatest of arguments
No I don’t expect danger everywhere - I just know what can happen in these kinds of situations . I’m sorry if the difference is too nuanced for you to understand.
My life is not awful -it’s pretty fabulous actually 🤗

AngelRoja · 03/08/2025 17:57

SouthLondonMum22 · 03/08/2025 17:46

If you didn't have the chance, fair enough. I think it's unlikely that the cleaner hasn't had a chance to ask though and I do think it is rude to just turn up with a child if asking in advance is possible.

OP might have still said no but if she didn't get the chance to say yes or no in the first place.

Sounds like OP hasnt asked her why she is bringing her either. There's nothing wrong with asking. But wondering about it and saying nothing isnt helpful. She'll get a straight answer without asking on social media. Whether or not she will put up with it depends on how much she values her cleaner

SouthLondonMum22 · 03/08/2025 17:56

Betterbarbecues · 03/08/2025 17:47

I would feel a lot of compassion for both. If it happened in our house I would put together a box with a few craft items/age appropriate coloring/games/snacks. It sounds like they are both in a difficult situation and it would be horrible for the girl to feel like a burden.

I'd expect her mother to do that, not OP.

cofffeeee · 03/08/2025 17:55

Well she could go on UC and other benefits and op could moan about her not working.

Aznavour · 03/08/2025 17:54

Movingonup313 · 03/08/2025 14:35

You ARE getting the service that you are paying for.

Child is sitting on the sofa.

My view is YABU. From your account, you are barely aware that the cleaners child is there.

Ive had various trades bring their children. Always well behaved and polite children.

The wee girl will remember doing this. Will remember accommodating her mums need to earn. Might respect her clothes/treats more. She will likely look up to you - someone who can afford regular paid help at home. Id make an effort. Make it memorable. Make her feel welcome. They is obviously no other support around. Dont be cold/hostile. Its a non-issue. She might well enjoy a 5 minute chat with you. You might enjoy it.

Good luck.

I sincerely hope the child doesn't look up to the OP, someone who objects to her very presence. Instead I would hope she looks up to her mother who is working hard in a thankless job to provide for her family.

redjeans28 · 03/08/2025 17:51

Toptotoe · 03/08/2025 17:27

I have been so surprised at people’s total naivety about the risks of an employed person bringing a child to the house they are working in. They are all living in la la land and if it all goes tits up ( as things sometimes do) I’m sure there will be much hand wringing and bewilderment .
we are not living in some type of ‘it takes a village’ fairytale. People can be mean and litigious. You accept the child of a person you employ onto your property at your own risk. You are liable!

It must be awful to imagine/expect danger everywhere. It's not naivety, it's real life.

Betterbarbecues · 03/08/2025 17:47

I would feel a lot of compassion for both. If it happened in our house I would put together a box with a few craft items/age appropriate coloring/games/snacks. It sounds like they are both in a difficult situation and it would be horrible for the girl to feel like a burden.

SouthLondonMum22 · 03/08/2025 17:46

AngelRoja · 03/08/2025 17:43

As I often had no warning, no I didnt have the chance to warn anyone. Summer holidays were problematic. I guess I was just lucky and worked with kind people. OP says she feels uncomfortable about it, so maybe would not have agreed to it.

I dont understand the fuss. It's not unusual where I live fir a parent to bring a kid during the school holidays. We all understand

If you didn't have the chance, fair enough. I think it's unlikely that the cleaner hasn't had a chance to ask though and I do think it is rude to just turn up with a child if asking in advance is possible.

OP might have still said no but if she didn't get the chance to say yes or no in the first place.

AngelRoja · 03/08/2025 17:43

SouthLondonMum22 · 03/08/2025 17:34

Did you ask first or just show up with him?

I don't think OP would've had as much of an issue if the cleaner had asked her first. She might've still felt a bit uncomfortable with it but gone along with it if she knew the circumstances such as family childcare had let her down at the last minute and it was just for the summer holidays.

Just rocking up with your child and expecting others to be understanding is going to get some people's backs up.

As I often had no warning, no I didnt have the chance to warn anyone. Summer holidays were problematic. I guess I was just lucky and worked with kind people. OP says she feels uncomfortable about it, so maybe would not have agreed to it.

I dont understand the fuss. It's not unusual where I live fir a parent to bring a kid during the school holidays. We all understand

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