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Volunteering with asylum seekers and refugees

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Lemniscate8 · 03/08/2025 10:09

There is so much said on MN about asylum seekers and refugees, and often it is speaking about them as a block, rather than by people who know any as individuals.

AIBU to suggest that some of you who currently feel fear and hostility have a go at some volunteering to get to know one or more individuals and see if your feelings change?

There are lots of ways to get involved in helping welcome a refugee to the country, and maybe more people extending more welcome will help with intergration, which seems to be one of the main concerns of some posters.

Many places have volunteers facilitating english conversation sessions, or literacy support. Many councils look for volunteers to support refugee and asylum seeker children in schools, you can ask your local council, or one of the main refugee organisations what volunteering opportunities are available in your area.

Also volunteering with any homeless charity is ineviatably going to bring you into contact with refugees, as so many are sleeping rough

You can find out about people first hand, rather than through the right wing press. Personal relationships can only help people understand each other better

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SuperFi · 03/08/2025 19:24

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 19:20

Again, fair enough. Can only speak from my own limited experience. Some did just disappear, much to the embarrassment of my boss.

Yes they usually abscond after the appeal rights and Judicial review applications are exhausted.

EasternStandard · 03/08/2025 19:23

It’s probably quite good the op has just said numbers will go up, so far there’s been a lot of obfuscation over this. Telling people they are wrong etc.

Knowing it’s inevitable that the pressures will increase people can decide what they want to happen instead.

Butchyrestingface · 03/08/2025 19:23

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 19:20

Ok. No idea what you mean.

Are you objecting to posters supporting animal and wildlife charities?

AnotherDayInParadise43 · 03/08/2025 19:21

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 18:58

Oh FFS. No, because there are no illegal immigrants.
Until their claim is assessed. It is either granted or rejected. The whacking great majority of people who’s refugee status is granted go on to become net contributors to the UK economy. As do their descendants.

Those whose claim is rejected are deported.

Deported? What planet are you living on?

Firstly, anyone who enters this country in a small boat without permission is most definitely entering illegally. There probably isn't a nation on earth that wouldn't say that about its borders. You utter lunatic.

Secondly, anyone claiming asylum is supposed to do it in the 1st safe country they enter. If they are arriving on a dinghy from the coast of France, we are not the 1st safe country. Neither is France. So they shouldn't have any right to claim asylum in the UK at all, at that point.

Then, taxpayers pay millions for each of them. Not just in housing. Also services. They are given a huge list of free stuff. And we're paying for every bit of legal service, interpreters they receive while working to remain here. There is a backlog so that can take years. If they lose they enter appeals. They put in all sorts of ridiculous stories to try to get around our system. At the end of that, it is incredibly hard to deport them, even if we should be able to.

And, as you well know a not insignificant proportion of these men see the women and especially the young female children of this country as fair game.

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 19:20

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:19

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, elsewhere. Once bitten.

Ok. No idea what you mean.

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 19:20

EasternStandard · 03/08/2025 19:16

You’re missing information, many are not deported due to this

Some individuals may have pending appeals or fresh claims, which can prevent immediate removal. Others may have logistical or diplomatic barriers to their removal, such as lack of travel documents or difficulty establishing a connection to their country of origin

Again, fair enough. Can only speak from my own limited experience. Some did just disappear, much to the embarrassment of my boss.

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:19

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 19:18

Fair enough.

It’s really not a game, though.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, elsewhere. Once bitten.

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 19:18

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:16

🙄a game, I'm really not prepared to play.

Fair enough.

It’s really not a game, though.

EasternStandard · 03/08/2025 19:16

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 19:11

I know. I worked for an MP in an inner London borough and regularly had conversations with immigration officers. Some, obviously, do a bunk. Most don’t.

You’re missing information, many are not deported due to this

Some individuals may have pending appeals or fresh claims, which can prevent immediate removal. Others may have logistical or diplomatic barriers to their removal, such as lack of travel documents or difficulty establishing a connection to their country of origin

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:16

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 19:13

Well, obviously.

How do you justify the wellbeing of other young mammals over human youngsters? Would be really interested to read your justification, genuinely.

🙄a game, I'm really not prepared to play.

AmateurNoun · 03/08/2025 19:15

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 18:58

Oh FFS. No, because there are no illegal immigrants.
Until their claim is assessed. It is either granted or rejected. The whacking great majority of people who’s refugee status is granted go on to become net contributors to the UK economy. As do their descendants.

Those whose claim is rejected are deported.

The whacking great majority of people who’s refugee status is granted go on to become net contributors to the UK economy.

This is quite simply is not true. People granted asylum have much lower rates of employment and much lower wages than people born in the UK.

https://www.compas.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/ECONREF-Refugees-and-the-UK-Labour-Market-report.pdf

https://www.compas.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/ECONREF-Refugees-and-the-UK-Labour-Market-report.pdf

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 19:15

I mean, I generally prefer animals to most humans, too.
Would I put animals before human kids in the grand scheme, were it up to me?
No. obviously.

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 19:13

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:10

I thought that single point would be picked up on. You proved me right.

Well, obviously.

How do you justify the wellbeing of other young mammals over human youngsters? Would be really interested to read your justification, genuinely.

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 19:11

EasternStandard · 03/08/2025 19:08

Not everyone is deported btw when a claim is rejected

I know. I worked for an MP in an inner London borough and regularly had conversations with immigration officers. Some, obviously, do a bunk. Most don’t.

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:11

Lemniscate8 · 03/08/2025 19:10

Please what? You have not answered my question!

Oh you're still telling people where they should be expending their energy.

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:10

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 19:08

You place pets above children?
Thats an interesting take.
My vegetarian mother once told me that she would rather my children died from an hypothetical disease (pre-covid) than have animals tested for the vaccine against that hypothetical disease.
25 years on, that still chills me to the bone.
Do you agree with her?

I thought that single point would be picked up on. You proved me right.

Lemniscate8 · 03/08/2025 19:10

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:08

Oh please.

Please what? You have not answered my question!

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Lemniscate8 · 03/08/2025 19:08

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:05

What are you hoping to achieve from this thread? All I'm seeing is a dog whistle for white saviours.

What was I hoping to achieve? A few more people consider possibley looking into ways they could get to know and support individuals in need, and in doing so help intergration and breaking down barriers. Which, according to the replies I have read, I have achieved.

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EasternStandard · 03/08/2025 19:08

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 18:58

Oh FFS. No, because there are no illegal immigrants.
Until their claim is assessed. It is either granted or rejected. The whacking great majority of people who’s refugee status is granted go on to become net contributors to the UK economy. As do their descendants.

Those whose claim is rejected are deported.

Not everyone is deported btw when a claim is rejected

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 19:08

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:00

Me too x

You place pets above children?
Thats an interesting take.
My vegetarian mother once told me that she would rather my children died from an hypothetical disease (pre-covid) than have animals tested for the vaccine against that hypothetical disease.
25 years on, that still chills me to the bone.
Do you agree with her?

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:08

Lemniscate8 · 03/08/2025 19:07

again, why are you saying "white saviours"? Why assume I am white, why assume refugees are not white? Why denigrate any white person who wants to help someone? Does being white mean they can't care and empathise and want to help people?

Oh please.

Lemniscate8 · 03/08/2025 19:07

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:05

What are you hoping to achieve from this thread? All I'm seeing is a dog whistle for white saviours.

again, why are you saying "white saviours"? Why assume I am white, why assume refugees are not white? Why denigrate any white person who wants to help someone? Does being white mean they can't care and empathise and want to help people?

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Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:05

Lemniscate8 · 03/08/2025 18:57

As I keep saying, the most recent government statistics are that 58% of adult asylum seekers are male, and I have linked to that. (Might be 59 - not sure, but the link is in the thread if you want it)

What are you hoping to achieve from this thread? All I'm seeing is a dog whistle for white saviours.

Dangermoo · 03/08/2025 19:00

Mademetoxic · 03/08/2025 18:49

I prefer my animal charities and wildlife charities. Thanks.

Me too x

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 18:58

AnotherDayInParadise43 · 03/08/2025 18:49

They weren't illegal immigrants though were they.

I don't have a problem with highly skilled people who come here to work in the NHS, who come by legal means. But you know that & trying to conflate the 2.

Oh FFS. No, because there are no illegal immigrants.
Until their claim is assessed. It is either granted or rejected. The whacking great majority of people who’s refugee status is granted go on to become net contributors to the UK economy. As do their descendants.

Those whose claim is rejected are deported.

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