Economically inactive people……

Yes, DH and I retired early and claim our private pensions but also have a property portfolio which we pay tax on. Government can't make us go back to work.

I've got a NEET here at home. Fully funded by me, not on benefits. Can't find any job, noone wants to employ a teen without experience, so idk who will employ someone ill or disabled either.

I encourage you to go and volunteer with those people they aren't as numerous as you think. I used to hold that prejudice because my son is autistic and works until I volunteered at a local charity and realised that the myth of the latest iphone and brand new car simply isn't true.

I agree. You are not going to get people who have retired early by choice back into the workforce if they don't want to be.

I think we all know who they mean but saying “lazy chavs” is not politically correct.

I dream of being economically inactive. Having enough money not to work but not old enough to retire.

No they have been assessed as having limited capability to work.

There are a lot of people claiming they have mental health issues and cannot work.

That's the technical definition of economic inactivity you're totally correct.

But the movement of money regardless of its source definitely contributes to a countries economy.

The term economically inactive is simply unhelpful and bunches together a large number of people with very different circumstances for political or media point scoring. There's a huge difference between a disabled person,drug dealer and someone rich enough not to work who would all fall under that umbrella term from the governments point of view.

I get what you mean but it just sounds horrible

The should just say they want income tax receipts. That’s all it’s about.

No they can't. Not everyone. I had a stroke in January. I can't currently work (not claiming benefits, living off savings) I can barely get through the fucking day some days. Today for example I have barely been able to cross the hallway to get to the toilet, I have spent the day feeling like I am going throw up, intense nerve pain from toes to top of my head & I now can't sleep but I'm thoroughly exhausted.

what the actual fuck do you think I could do??

and I am FAR from the 'worst off' of people with ill health or disabilities.

Because you’re not providing goods or services. You’re taking money without providing good or services and giving it to others in exchange for goods and services. You are participating in the economy, but only in terms of consuming not contributing. It’s just economic terms, nothing to do with you personally.

I wish it was that simple. The government wouldn't dare spend the massive amount of money it would cost to create those jobs.

That's before we address moving people on mass to where those jobs are and provide housing. Which would never get support when people object to essential infrastructure being built because it ruins their "views".

I’ve retired early - professional role. Mortgage paid off, no need for me to work at all. I’m not the only one who has taken early retirement not on health grounds, but because we’ve amassed enough pension, have high earning spouses and do not need to work.

I use small businesses. How is that not contributing to the economy?

We can’t really go round in circles, if you’re not contributing to the producing of goods or services in exchange for money then you’re not contributing to the economy. It’s not based on feelings.

yes and i contribute by my spending. I spend in small businesses and that helps to keep them going.
we could go round in circles on this

Were we not discussing the economy?

It’s just so simple. There are so many people who could work a 20 hour week who for whatever reason can’t work a 40 hour week (plus 1.5 hours a day commute). Tackle that. Anyone who lives within a 3 mile radius who meets essential criteria for a public sector job is guaranteed an interview.

Workplaces with over 200 staff most have at least 10% of jobs offered as part time.

Simple Keysian economics. The government creates simple jobs (support workers, bank school staff, farm works/fruit pickers, more PCSOs, supplying work to 15-18 year olds) and pays them fairly avoiding the drain of agencies).

They are just regurgitating the same old. So disappointing.

then that is a really sad way to look at people. We are so much more then economical units.

Because the economy is based on providing goods and services, money is just the medium. If you’re receiving money but not providing goods or services then you’re not contributing to the economy.

And you know this for a fact do you.
That’s not the case at all, people claim UC when working part time and they actually do pay their council tax.

Both people on benefits and public sector employees get money form the government.
People demonise those on benefits because they are seen to be getting "free" money.
It seems like you are only allowed money if you earn it.
In terms of spending in the economy it does not matter where that money came from. It al trickles up and down and helps us all.

You're right.

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