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Was the ‘race card’ pulled??

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Glittercloud17 · 01/08/2025 20:14

So just got back from vacation. At the airport, my daughter and I were queuing for passport control when a girl/teen pushed past in front of us. 5 seconds later I heard a lady say to me “excuse me, we just want to join our niece” pointing to the girl who’d pushed in. Without focusing too much attention on her or the family, but seeing an additional 3 people (another teen and two women) I said “sorry, but that girl just shoved in, so maybe it’s better she joins you instead” (meaning the 1 girl who’d pushed in should join her family behind my daughter and I, and not the whole family move in front of my daughter and I.

The lady said “oh, I don’t think she pushed in, darling” in a clearly sarcastic tone, but I didn’t reply as the girl/teen then walked back to join her aunt behind us.

Then I heard the woman say to the girl “you know exactly why she thinks she needs to be in front of us, this is another example”. At this stage I assume she meant I felt entitled to say this because they were a family of colour! So instead of pulling up the teen for pushing past us, the adult put the responsibility of this situation on me, insinuating I was bullying them for racially motivated reasons!!

It hadn’t even crossed my mind that they were black/white/asian whatever family! Only that a person had pushed past my daughter and I and the family felt they then had a right to go in front.

Comments continued among the adults in the family to the teens around how this was another example why the teenagers had to be more assertive “in this world” and that I, “the lady” was in the wrong.

I didn’t react, or say anything as I didn’t want to escalate something that clearly wasn’t there, and continued to look in front (not in their direction) or be accused of anything especially in an airport with a flight to catch! Later after passport control, I was standing talking to my daughter when the other adult (who I hadn’t looked at previously) violently pushed into my back as they walked past. I was very shocked by this (again I brushed this off).

People who have genuinely experienced racism - was I unreasonable, and were they justified to jump to this conclusion? I understand there’s a long, complex history around race, but I am not aware, at least on a conscious level, of discriminating against anyone like this??

OP posts:
nomas · 04/08/2025 15:13

GoodPudding · 04/08/2025 15:07

The three of you are equally at fault in my opinion. The reason I chose yours was because your “wowsers” comment was particularly dismissive.

I note you don’t attempt to rebut anything I’ve said which is telling.

Wowsers is used to show surprise, not dismissal.

OP has spent the thread lamenting that this family assumed she was treating them differently based on their race and calls this 'pulling the race card' and yet it turns out she herself thinks she was treated differently based on race but thinks this isn't 'pulling the race card'.

You've then gone off on a tangent and called people racist for pointing out the irony.

GoodPudding · 04/08/2025 15:07

nomas · 04/08/2025 14:28

Is there a reason why you've jumped ahead of the three other people who were similarly bemused by OP's statement and landed on my post?

The three of you are equally at fault in my opinion. The reason I chose yours was because your “wowsers” comment was particularly dismissive.

I note you don’t attempt to rebut anything I’ve said which is telling.

Sparklybutold · 04/08/2025 14:37

GoodPudding · 04/08/2025 14:18

@nomas Your response encapsulates all that’s wrong with much of the Left and their toxic attitude to the racism, and why it’s completely counterproductive and stokes racial tensions…

If a person of colour said they believed someone had judged them on their race, the response would have been sympathetic, supportive and understanding, and the perpetrator accused of being racist, one of the worst things you can label
someone.

However, a white person says this, and it’s “wowsers”.

You don’t right the wrong of historical racism by inverting it… you only perpetuate it and ensure that racism will be with us for another generation.

In my opinion the portion of the Left that push this are as much responsible for continuing racism as the Far Right. In their own way, and from different angles, they continue to stoke and fan its flames as part of the culture war they seem determined to fight. Shame on them both.

👏

nomas · 04/08/2025 14:28

GoodPudding · 04/08/2025 14:18

@nomas Your response encapsulates all that’s wrong with much of the Left and their toxic attitude to the racism, and why it’s completely counterproductive and stokes racial tensions…

If a person of colour said they believed someone had judged them on their race, the response would have been sympathetic, supportive and understanding, and the perpetrator accused of being racist, one of the worst things you can label
someone.

However, a white person says this, and it’s “wowsers”.

You don’t right the wrong of historical racism by inverting it… you only perpetuate it and ensure that racism will be with us for another generation.

In my opinion the portion of the Left that push this are as much responsible for continuing racism as the Far Right. In their own way, and from different angles, they continue to stoke and fan its flames as part of the culture war they seem determined to fight. Shame on them both.

Is there a reason why you've jumped ahead of the three other people who were similarly bemused by OP's statement and landed on my post?

GoodPudding · 04/08/2025 14:18

nomas · 04/08/2025 09:25

So yeah, at that point I did think they had judged me on my race.

Wowsers, OP.

@nomas Your response encapsulates all that’s wrong with much of the Left and their toxic attitude to the racism, and why it’s completely counterproductive and stokes racial tensions…

If a person of colour said they believed someone had judged them on their race, the response would have been sympathetic, supportive and understanding, and the perpetrator accused of being racist, one of the worst things you can label
someone.

However, a white person says this, and it’s “wowsers”.

You don’t right the wrong of historical racism by inverting it… you only perpetuate it and ensure that racism will be with us for another generation.

In my opinion the portion of the Left that push this are as much responsible for continuing racism as the Far Right. In their own way, and from different angles, they continue to stoke and fan its flames as part of the culture war they seem determined to fight. Shame on them both.

Sparklybutold · 04/08/2025 12:30

@Glittercloud17from your OP it was very clear that the other people were clearly seeing something that wasn’t there. As I said in my post earlier I have witnessed non white people play the race card to avoid accountability. On a thread like this you will always have people who will nitpick everything you say in a gotcha type way. If you can - ignore and move on.

nomas · 04/08/2025 09:25

So yeah, at that point I did think they had judged me on my race.

Wowsers, OP.

Tandora · 04/08/2025 07:50

Westfacing · 04/08/2025 07:49

at that point I did think they had judged me on my race.

Oh, the irony!

Right

Westfacing · 04/08/2025 07:49

at that point I did think they had judged me on my race.

Oh, the irony!

Isitreallysohard · 04/08/2025 07:20

Glittercloud17 · 04/08/2025 07:19

I don’t know what the hell is happening anymore. I feel you’ve just joined the conversation and not seen the saga as it’s unfolded last few days.

Because it's all BS. Just get the thread taken down.

Glittercloud17 · 04/08/2025 07:19

Isitreallysohard · 04/08/2025 07:15

Aren't you pulling the race card now? 😜

I don’t know what the hell is happening anymore. I feel you’ve just joined the conversation and not seen the saga as it’s unfolded last few days.

OP posts:
Isitreallysohard · 04/08/2025 07:15

Glittercloud17 · 04/08/2025 07:14

It crossed my mind because THEY discussed it with their loud conversation after which they purposefully said loud (read my last entry). I thought of other scenarios (the posh thing) but as we hadn’t talked at all, so they didn’t know me, I think they implied to the teenager I stopped her because I look white/they not. So yeah, at that point I did think they had judged me on my race.

Aren't you pulling the race card now? 😜

Glittercloud17 · 04/08/2025 07:14

Knackeredmommy · 03/08/2025 22:51

But it HAD crossed your mind that they were black/asian as you have assumed they were referring to race even though it wasn’t mentioned, so it’s you pulling the ‘race card’

It crossed my mind because THEY discussed it with their loud conversation after which they purposefully said loud (read my last entry). I thought of other scenarios (the posh thing) but as we hadn’t talked at all, so they didn’t know me, I think they implied to the teenager I stopped her because I look white/they not. So yeah, at that point I did think they had judged me on my race.

OP posts:
Knackeredmommy · 03/08/2025 22:51

But it HAD crossed your mind that they were black/asian as you have assumed they were referring to race even though it wasn’t mentioned, so it’s you pulling the ‘race card’

MuckFusk · 03/08/2025 22:38

GoodPudding · 03/08/2025 22:01

And these things are permitted to happen when we have the likes of @Tandora saying that it just can’t and is impossible.

I’m afraid I can’t see any other way of interpreting @Tandora’s posts other than that they are gaslighting… moreover, gaslighting which inflames racial tensions rather than calm them, and exacerbate racial division rather than promote racial harmony.

She's certainly not debating this issue with honesty and integrity, so I'm done with her.

Noodledog · 03/08/2025 22:14

Tandora · 03/08/2025 15:52

Notoriety, cool points

lol ok.

And, had I not..

yes, would’a could’a should’a. But you did and therefore he didn’t.

im not trying to defend that kid- i know nothing about him. just trying to explain that there is really no such thing as “the race card” that confers special advantages on racialised minority people.

So so far on this thread we have one kid who allegedly got “cool points” and one guy who allegedly stayed in his job for a while before he got fired and lost his tribunal.

Edited

Have you heard of the phrase "the process is the punishment"? He punished his young, new to the job, female teacher by making a false, potentially career ending, allegation. For the terrible crime of pulling him up on bad behaviour in front of his friends.

GoodPudding · 03/08/2025 22:01

MuckFusk · 03/08/2025 20:39

You might want to look into the case of Richard Bilkszto, a Toronto principal who was falsely accused of being a white supremacist merely for saying Canada does not have much racism as America. He was actually disciplined for it, as crazy as that sounds, it destroyed his life and he eventually killed himself. The benefit to his accuser was shutting down a point of view she didn't like, and, it seems, the fulfillment of a sadistic desire to bully him and ruin his life. She was even recorded laughing about it. It sounds unbelievable, but it happened.

And these things are permitted to happen when we have the likes of @Tandora saying that it just can’t and is impossible.

I’m afraid I can’t see any other way of interpreting @Tandora’s posts other than that they are gaslighting… moreover, gaslighting which inflames racial tensions rather than calm them, and exacerbate racial division rather than promote racial harmony.

Tandora · 03/08/2025 21:57

GoodPudding · 03/08/2025 21:14

This is simply “heads I win, tails you lose” nonsense. If @RhaenysRocks hadn’t defined herself, you’d have presumed that the boy in question likely had faced racism and was a victim, even though he was not.

Edited

when the data starts showing that black people have any sort of social, political and economic advantages, I’ll accept you may have a point.

GoodPudding · 03/08/2025 21:50

Sorry, “defended” not “defined”.

GoodPudding · 03/08/2025 21:14

Tandora · 03/08/2025 19:47

I don’t know how many more times or how many more ways I can say it- this “benefit” privilege is entirely theoretical: hypothetical. It didn’t actually occur. There’s a very good reason for that.

This is simply “heads I win, tails you lose” nonsense. If @RhaenysRocks hadn’t defined herself, you’d have presumed that the boy in question likely had faced racism and was a victim, even though he was not.

MuckFusk · 03/08/2025 20:39

Tandora · 03/08/2025 19:47

I don’t know how many more times or how many more ways I can say it- this “benefit” privilege is entirely theoretical: hypothetical. It didn’t actually occur. There’s a very good reason for that.

You might want to look into the case of Richard Bilkszto, a Toronto principal who was falsely accused of being a white supremacist merely for saying Canada does not have much racism as America. He was actually disciplined for it, as crazy as that sounds, it destroyed his life and he eventually killed himself. The benefit to his accuser was shutting down a point of view she didn't like, and, it seems, the fulfillment of a sadistic desire to bully him and ruin his life. She was even recorded laughing about it. It sounds unbelievable, but it happened.

MuckFusk · 03/08/2025 20:14

Tandora · 03/08/2025 07:14

Please read my posts and think rather than just reacting.

If you actually read my posts you will see I already stated that of course it’s possible for someone to either mistakenly or falsely accuse someone of racism. Meanwhile It’s not the least bit effective in incurring any kind of meaningful advantage. there’s no such thing as “the race card”, because racism is a not a system that can be “gamed” by minority ethnic people to their advantage- that’s not how racism works/ what it does. This is an illusion/ projection that is used to deflect from the very real impacts/ harm of structural racism on racialised minorities.

Nobody said racism itself is a system that can be gamed and that isn't what the term race card refers to IMO, so it's a misnomer. What can be gamed is taking advantage of personal and institutional fear of being accused of racism. Other people's fears can always be used to gain advantage. So if you admit false accusations happen, you are de factor admitting that they could potentially be used for personal gain of some sort, such as the examples given. Your claim is that such usage is not effective. It's irrational to believe there are no times when people back down or shut up because they don't want to be seen as racists. It can be very effective in shutting down debate, which is why it is often employed in threads like this one. Multiple people have accused the OP of being a racist based on nothing but her use of a term, totally ignoring that the OP isn't even white British, she's Hispanic. Fortunately, it has not been effective in this case because a number of posters have called it out as bullshit, but I have witnessed occasions when it has been effective. It totally depends on the people involved.
Even if it never worked, since it is something people do (which they wouldn't if it never worked) it can still be considered a card they play. Whether it's a winning card or not does not negate the reality that it has been played and likely will continued to be played by certain unscrupulous people. The term race card is a lazy way of expressing it, but tbf I can't think of a term which wouldn't be long and clunky, so it probably comes down to simple convenience in OP's case. I don't use it myself because it's been used by white supremacists.

Perhaps you're thinking more in terms of accusations being used for something more substantial, like beating out other applicants for a job or housing? I would agree that accusations of racism are not effective for a goal like that and that people assuming that is how a POC secured a job are undoubtedly racists.

Tandora · 03/08/2025 19:47

GoodPudding · 03/08/2025 19:38

Had @RhaenysRocks not challenged his false accusation, the boy would have had relative impunity compared to other children, and have had more freedom and power to behave how he wanted. That’s a clear and obvious benefit for him… a privilege that his white counterparts wouldn’t have been able to obtain using similar tactics.

I don’t know how many more times or how many more ways I can say it- this “benefit” privilege is entirely theoretical: hypothetical. It didn’t actually occur. There’s a very good reason for that.

GoodPudding · 03/08/2025 19:43

And yes, I know he didn’t benefit in that way because @RhaenysRocks successfully fought it, but clearly many don’t challenge in the way she did, and do get away with it!

GoodPudding · 03/08/2025 19:38

Tandora · 03/08/2025 19:23

I’m not trying to minimise impact on you and I’m really sorry you went through that, but it sounds like the reality is the false accusation didn’t incur any particular benefit to the child- it just caused you a lot of pain stress . X

Edited

Had @RhaenysRocks not challenged his false accusation, the boy would have had relative impunity compared to other children, and have had more freedom and power to behave how he wanted. That’s a clear and obvious benefit for him… a privilege that his white counterparts wouldn’t have been able to obtain using similar tactics.

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