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Was the ‘race card’ pulled??

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Glittercloud17 · 01/08/2025 20:14

So just got back from vacation. At the airport, my daughter and I were queuing for passport control when a girl/teen pushed past in front of us. 5 seconds later I heard a lady say to me “excuse me, we just want to join our niece” pointing to the girl who’d pushed in. Without focusing too much attention on her or the family, but seeing an additional 3 people (another teen and two women) I said “sorry, but that girl just shoved in, so maybe it’s better she joins you instead” (meaning the 1 girl who’d pushed in should join her family behind my daughter and I, and not the whole family move in front of my daughter and I.

The lady said “oh, I don’t think she pushed in, darling” in a clearly sarcastic tone, but I didn’t reply as the girl/teen then walked back to join her aunt behind us.

Then I heard the woman say to the girl “you know exactly why she thinks she needs to be in front of us, this is another example”. At this stage I assume she meant I felt entitled to say this because they were a family of colour! So instead of pulling up the teen for pushing past us, the adult put the responsibility of this situation on me, insinuating I was bullying them for racially motivated reasons!!

It hadn’t even crossed my mind that they were black/white/asian whatever family! Only that a person had pushed past my daughter and I and the family felt they then had a right to go in front.

Comments continued among the adults in the family to the teens around how this was another example why the teenagers had to be more assertive “in this world” and that I, “the lady” was in the wrong.

I didn’t react, or say anything as I didn’t want to escalate something that clearly wasn’t there, and continued to look in front (not in their direction) or be accused of anything especially in an airport with a flight to catch! Later after passport control, I was standing talking to my daughter when the other adult (who I hadn’t looked at previously) violently pushed into my back as they walked past. I was very shocked by this (again I brushed this off).

People who have genuinely experienced racism - was I unreasonable, and were they justified to jump to this conclusion? I understand there’s a long, complex history around race, but I am not aware, at least on a conscious level, of discriminating against anyone like this??

OP posts:
Lavenderflower · 06/08/2025 19:37

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 18:59

My post was meant to be ironic, though appreciate that wouldn’t be obvious to those who haven’t read all my posts.

Personally I believe the hierarchy of oppression / pyramid of privilege is a particularly unhelpful concept that encourages victimhood and suppresses progress and positive outcomes.

It appears that your comments imply blame toward individuals for experiencing oppression. I would assume, based on this reasoning, that you hold similar views about other marginalized groups, such as people with disabilities.
Additionally, I’ve noticed that you have not provided a substantive explanation for the disparities in academic achievement among different ethnic groups, beyond expressing a disbelief in the existence of systemic racism. A more thorough and evidence-based discussion would be helpful in understanding your position. Or Perhaps, you don't have an explanation and are merely expressing an opinion.

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 18:59

My post was meant to be ironic, though appreciate that wouldn’t be obvious to those who haven’t read all my posts.

Personally I believe the hierarchy of oppression / pyramid of privilege is a particularly unhelpful concept that encourages victimhood and suppresses progress and positive outcomes.

Catladywithoutacat · 06/08/2025 16:56

GoodPudding · 05/08/2025 23:45

Hispanics are quite high on the pyramid of privilege though, so she shouldn’t expect anything sympathy from the embittered CRT crowd.

Are you Hispanic to be making such a comment? What makes you think you can talk about someone else’s racial issues when you don’t experience them yourself?

Lavenderflower · 06/08/2025 16:10

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 14:06

I accept that we all have unconscious biases that we need to acknowledge and be open to addressing when highlighted, but that goes both ways. POC can have biases against white people (and other races) in the same way white people can. We are all human after all.

However, whereas I don’t doubt that racism exists with individuals, I don’t agree that structural and systemic racism exists in the UK today to any appreciable degree. This doesn’t mean I don’t accept there aren’t differences in disadvantage and wealth between communities, I just don’t believe that “racism” is the cause of those differences.

For instance, proportionally fewer children of Indian and Chinese decent are eligible for free school meals, and on average have higher educational attainment than their White British counterparts.

The issue, if anything, is culture, and various aspects of White British working class culture do them no favours when it comes to being healthy and wealthy.

The belief that “racism” is behind social issues in society is a smokescreen that diverts from the real issues.

As for Trump, I strongly dislike the man, but one of the reasons for his rise is massive overreach from the Left, and their attempts to overcompensate for past discrimination. And it’s interesting that his share of the vote increased significantly amongst certain ethnic group, demonstrating that they are also tired of all this.

What are the other reasons for these issues?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/08/2025 14:48

You're in danger of bringing common sense into it with those excellent posts at 7:00 and 14:06 @goodpudding, but you'll get no thanks for it from those whose entire approach to the subject is based in grievance

Happily I only know a very few POC like this - which perhaps isn't surprising given the number who've posted to suggest they have no time for it either

nomas · 06/08/2025 14:22

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 14:09

You belittled her; she responded. That’s that. Stop making every little thing about racial grievance!

Eh? She swore at someone else. I’m just commenting on the irony of being offended by ‘Wowsers ’ but swearing herself.

ThisChirpyFox · 06/08/2025 14:17

MrsEverest · 02/08/2025 03:47

I’ve never met someone who actually uses the phrase ‘the race card’ who was not, in fact, a racist.

Oh get a grip.

ThisChirpyFox · 06/08/2025 14:13

I'm a PoC and you did nothing wrong! Who the hell is voting your actions as being unreasonable?!?

I hate it when people automatically turn to that. Hopefully karma comes their way and they have a shit holiday, get bed bugs or anything for being shit human beings.

Don't let it get you down.

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 14:13

Your views on race are quintessentially left wing so it’s intriguing that you say you aren’t.… I’d be interested to know what views you have that aren’t, as it would be a juxtaposition of views I’ve never encountered before!

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 14:09

nomas · 06/08/2025 11:59

You’re offended by ‘Wowsers’ but happy to swear yourself?

Talk about white privilege and fragility.

You belittled her; she responded. That’s that. Stop making every little thing about racial grievance!

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 14:06

Tandora · 06/08/2025 08:26

Recognising that racism is systemic/ structural , and that unconscious bias exists, is important because it’s true.

This is no way denigrates white people or causes them to suffer.

The fact that you believe this is concerning and the reason we have people like Trump.

Edited

I accept that we all have unconscious biases that we need to acknowledge and be open to addressing when highlighted, but that goes both ways. POC can have biases against white people (and other races) in the same way white people can. We are all human after all.

However, whereas I don’t doubt that racism exists with individuals, I don’t agree that structural and systemic racism exists in the UK today to any appreciable degree. This doesn’t mean I don’t accept there aren’t differences in disadvantage and wealth between communities, I just don’t believe that “racism” is the cause of those differences.

For instance, proportionally fewer children of Indian and Chinese decent are eligible for free school meals, and on average have higher educational attainment than their White British counterparts.

The issue, if anything, is culture, and various aspects of White British working class culture do them no favours when it comes to being healthy and wealthy.

The belief that “racism” is behind social issues in society is a smokescreen that diverts from the real issues.

As for Trump, I strongly dislike the man, but one of the reasons for his rise is massive overreach from the Left, and their attempts to overcompensate for past discrimination. And it’s interesting that his share of the vote increased significantly amongst certain ethnic group, demonstrating that they are also tired of all this.

nomas · 06/08/2025 11:59

Glittercloud17 · 05/08/2025 22:49

Oh do fuck off

You’re offended by ‘Wowsers’ but happy to swear yourself?

Talk about white privilege and fragility.

JHound · 06/08/2025 08:44

Glittercloud17 · 01/08/2025 20:14

So just got back from vacation. At the airport, my daughter and I were queuing for passport control when a girl/teen pushed past in front of us. 5 seconds later I heard a lady say to me “excuse me, we just want to join our niece” pointing to the girl who’d pushed in. Without focusing too much attention on her or the family, but seeing an additional 3 people (another teen and two women) I said “sorry, but that girl just shoved in, so maybe it’s better she joins you instead” (meaning the 1 girl who’d pushed in should join her family behind my daughter and I, and not the whole family move in front of my daughter and I.

The lady said “oh, I don’t think she pushed in, darling” in a clearly sarcastic tone, but I didn’t reply as the girl/teen then walked back to join her aunt behind us.

Then I heard the woman say to the girl “you know exactly why she thinks she needs to be in front of us, this is another example”. At this stage I assume she meant I felt entitled to say this because they were a family of colour! So instead of pulling up the teen for pushing past us, the adult put the responsibility of this situation on me, insinuating I was bullying them for racially motivated reasons!!

It hadn’t even crossed my mind that they were black/white/asian whatever family! Only that a person had pushed past my daughter and I and the family felt they then had a right to go in front.

Comments continued among the adults in the family to the teens around how this was another example why the teenagers had to be more assertive “in this world” and that I, “the lady” was in the wrong.

I didn’t react, or say anything as I didn’t want to escalate something that clearly wasn’t there, and continued to look in front (not in their direction) or be accused of anything especially in an airport with a flight to catch! Later after passport control, I was standing talking to my daughter when the other adult (who I hadn’t looked at previously) violently pushed into my back as they walked past. I was very shocked by this (again I brushed this off).

People who have genuinely experienced racism - was I unreasonable, and were they justified to jump to this conclusion? I understand there’s a long, complex history around race, but I am not aware, at least on a conscious level, of discriminating against anyone like this??

Reading that it appears you are the one pulling the race card.

There is a lot of assumption being made on your part.

Why didn’t you point out to the girl she pushed in front of you?

Tandora · 06/08/2025 08:26

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 07:00

Yes, you’re right, it’s terrifying when you think about it, and the way in which some on the Left are trying to inflame racial tensions by viewing everything through a distorted lens of racial grievance (at least it would be if it gained traction).

The issue isn’t the correct belief that racism exists and needs addressing…. it’s the extrapolation of this into a belief that society is systematically racist to its foundations, and that almost everything, conscious and unconscious, is an expression of racist bias that goes to a white person’s core.

And that this then gives Black and POC people the moral authority to demand that white people atone, adapt and supplicate themselves in response to this systemic injustice, and accept the experiences of Black and POC people as inherently more authentic and valid than white people’s experiences which are fundamentally rooted in prejudice that needs to be purged and purified.

It’s a worldview that absolutely uses the almost universal recognition in western liberal societies that racism is morally wrong to justify an ideology of that empowers Black and POC as it denigrates White people.

It doesn’t seek to level the playing field, it seeks to turn the tables.

It doesn’t seek reconciliation, it seeks retribution.

Its power lies in racial division and mistrust, and so perversely it needs to fan the flames of racism in order to thrive. So, yes, it’s pernicious…

Recognising that racism is systemic/ structural , and that unconscious bias exists, is important because it’s true.

This is no way denigrates white people or causes them to suffer.

The fact that you believe this is concerning and the reason we have people like Trump.

nomas · 06/08/2025 08:02

Glittercloud17 · 05/08/2025 22:49

Oh do fuck off

If you were a person of colour, you’d be told you are being aggressive now.

Isitreallysohard · 06/08/2025 07:49

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 07:43

On the basis of the Oxford English Dictionary’s definition of racism as “Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.", then yes, white people can experience racism in the same way as anyone else.

It’s only according to the Leftist Critical Race Theory, which divisively grades races into oppressor and oppressed classes, that anti-white racism is impossible. But I reject that thesis, as I believe most people do.

The fact that you “honestly can’t believe” that i believe white people can experience racism is indicative that you’ve lived in a Leftist echo-chamber for far too long! Try getting out into the real world and you’ll see how most people think, even if you believe they are very much mistaken.

And yes, inverted sexism exists, it’s called misandry.

Did I not give the example of Irish earlier, so yes that can happen. But overall, you're being ridiculous I am in the real world and experience racism everyday and trust me, it's not the white people who are experiencing it. I'm also not left wing, that's a lazy categorisation too 🙄

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 07:47

Isitreallysohard · 06/08/2025 07:21

I honestly can't believe you're saying white people are the victims of inverted racism. Have you any idea how ridiculous that is. Would you also say a man is a victim of inverted sexism?

And no, I don’t believe white people are the victims of inverted racism as though that’s an ongoing state of being. Anti-white racism isn’t all-pervasive, at least in a way that impacts most people’s daily lives, but it doesn’t mean it can’t and doesn’t exist in certain contexts.

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 07:43

Isitreallysohard · 06/08/2025 07:21

I honestly can't believe you're saying white people are the victims of inverted racism. Have you any idea how ridiculous that is. Would you also say a man is a victim of inverted sexism?

On the basis of the Oxford English Dictionary’s definition of racism as “Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.", then yes, white people can experience racism in the same way as anyone else.

It’s only according to the Leftist Critical Race Theory, which divisively grades races into oppressor and oppressed classes, that anti-white racism is impossible. But I reject that thesis, as I believe most people do.

The fact that you “honestly can’t believe” that i believe white people can experience racism is indicative that you’ve lived in a Leftist echo-chamber for far too long! Try getting out into the real world and you’ll see how most people think, even if you believe they are very much mistaken.

And yes, inverted sexism exists, it’s called misandry.

Isitreallysohard · 06/08/2025 07:21

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 07:16

Challenging racism is not inverted racism… that’s not remotely what I said.

I honestly can't believe you're saying white people are the victims of inverted racism. Have you any idea how ridiculous that is. Would you also say a man is a victim of inverted sexism?

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 07:16

Isitreallysohard · 06/08/2025 00:12

I can also respect white people who have experienced prejudice, like Irish for example who have been treated awfully in the past and in some ways still are. But lets not go there, because I can give you many examples. It's not inverted racism to challenge racism, don't be so pathetic 🤣 Inverted racism, ha ha ha, that has to be the most ridiculous concept I have ever heard 🤣

Challenging racism is not inverted racism… that’s not remotely what I said.

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 07:12

ThatElatedTealMember · 06/08/2025 03:06

I'm not white.
There's nothing wrong in saying pulled the race card.
This is exactly what happened.
These are the types to make false claims at work.
Makes it hard for people that really do suffer from racism.

Absolutely.

I think the issue is that the sense of victimhood goes so deep that EVERYTHING is racist because, supposedly, society is structurally racist to its core.

And if everything is racist, ALL accusations are based in racism, and therefore CANNOT BE FALSE by definition (even if it’s conceded that some of the particulars of the accusations might be false).

And if accusations can’t be false because racism infects everything, the concept of “pulling the race card” can’t exist… it’s an impossiblity!

At least, that’s how the warped logic goes!

GoodPudding · 06/08/2025 07:00

Tandora · 06/08/2025 02:58

pernicious ideology of anti-white prejudice

this would be funny if it weren’t so terrifying.

Yes, you’re right, it’s terrifying when you think about it, and the way in which some on the Left are trying to inflame racial tensions by viewing everything through a distorted lens of racial grievance (at least it would be if it gained traction).

The issue isn’t the correct belief that racism exists and needs addressing…. it’s the extrapolation of this into a belief that society is systematically racist to its foundations, and that almost everything, conscious and unconscious, is an expression of racist bias that goes to a white person’s core.

And that this then gives Black and POC people the moral authority to demand that white people atone, adapt and supplicate themselves in response to this systemic injustice, and accept the experiences of Black and POC people as inherently more authentic and valid than white people’s experiences which are fundamentally rooted in prejudice that needs to be purged and purified.

It’s a worldview that absolutely uses the almost universal recognition in western liberal societies that racism is morally wrong to justify an ideology of that empowers Black and POC as it denigrates White people.

It doesn’t seek to level the playing field, it seeks to turn the tables.

It doesn’t seek reconciliation, it seeks retribution.

Its power lies in racial division and mistrust, and so perversely it needs to fan the flames of racism in order to thrive. So, yes, it’s pernicious…

MoneyTaIks · 06/08/2025 03:39

They probs sent her in front to try and 'secure their place'. What else would she be doing moving up the queue on her own?

ThatElatedTealMember · 06/08/2025 03:06

I'm not white.
There's nothing wrong in saying pulled the race card.
This is exactly what happened.
These are the types to make false claims at work.
Makes it hard for people that really do suffer from racism.

Tandora · 06/08/2025 02:58

GoodPudding · 05/08/2025 23:25

Disturbing?! The people who I find most disturbing on this thread are those like you and others who gaslight and belittle anyone who dares to challenge your pernicious ideology of anti-white prejudice that respects the lived experience of anyone other but white people. It’s inverted racism and it’s toxic, and it’s so exhaustingly negative. I’m heartened by the vote that supported the OP 96% to 4%, even if she admits she used loaded terminology.

pernicious ideology of anti-white prejudice

this would be funny if it weren’t so terrifying.

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