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To think most men wouldn’t survive a year living the life of an average woman?

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ThatRealLimeBee · 01/08/2025 20:12

The daily grind of sexism, safety worries, juggling expectations, emotional labour… Most men have no idea. AIBU to think they’d crumble under the load if they had to swap lives with us for a year?

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Glowingup · 06/08/2025 14:35

ThankYouNigel · 06/08/2025 14:33

Well if we are speaking about jobs of the future, I can think of plenty which AI is replacing as we speak, and which will be entirely defunct soon. Mothers and housewives will always be required 😉

Doubt it - you will soon get fully functioning humanoid robots who can cook, clean and look after your kids (and shag your husband). Didn’t you watch that Megan Fox film?

Glowingup · 06/08/2025 14:33

There’s been various shows about huge families and it’s mainly shown how fucked up and abusive they can be. Not anything to aspire to at all. Especially the inevitable neglect.

ThankYouNigel · 06/08/2025 14:33

Glowingup · 06/08/2025 14:29

Well not really if the daughters are all going to be economically inactive housewives. Then you’re just producing a load more non-contributors. And children raised by parents who are both on benefits have an increased likelihood of being on benefits themselves as adults. It’s hardly like these will be the doctors and lawyers and teachers of the future.

Well if we are speaking about jobs of the future, I can think of plenty which AI is replacing as we speak, and which will be entirely defunct soon. Mothers and housewives will always be required 😉

Glowingup · 06/08/2025 14:29

ThankYouNigel · 06/08/2025 14:16

These larger families are taking on more than their fair share of providing the necessary number of children to slow the impending crisis of an ageing population which growing numbers of adults are contributing to by entirely opting out of their civic responsibility to have children. So yeah, given plenty of adults aren’t pulling their weight at all and boast on about being ‘child free’, thank goodness we still have some selfless enough to dedicate themselves to raising 7 children. They are true grafters.

Well not really if the daughters are all going to be economically inactive housewives. Then you’re just producing a load more non-contributors. And children raised by parents who are both on benefits have an increased likelihood of being on benefits themselves as adults. It’s hardly like these will be the doctors and lawyers and teachers of the future.

SugarSoiree · 06/08/2025 14:26

ThankYouNigel · 06/08/2025 14:16

These larger families are taking on more than their fair share of providing the necessary number of children to slow the impending crisis of an ageing population which growing numbers of adults are contributing to by entirely opting out of their civic responsibility to have children. So yeah, given plenty of adults aren’t pulling their weight at all and boast on about being ‘child free’, thank goodness we still have some selfless enough to dedicate themselves to raising 7 children. They are true grafters.

Well, the problem with the ageing population is that there aren't enough working adults to pay for their care which costs a fortune.

By not only opting to not pay any money into that system, but also taking 9 peoples moneys worth out of that system, they are not contributing in any way and are actually making the crisis worse.

What's more, unemployed parents are several times more likely to raise children who will also be unemployed for their whole adult life. So they're not even producing workers to pay for the ageing population, they're raising more takers.

Young people simply existing doesn't do any service to anyone. They need to actually work and produce to be useful in the ageing population crisis. They're not helping in any way actually. Just making it worse.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/08/2025 14:24

ThankYouNigel · 06/08/2025 14:16

These larger families are taking on more than their fair share of providing the necessary number of children to slow the impending crisis of an ageing population which growing numbers of adults are contributing to by entirely opting out of their civic responsibility to have children. So yeah, given plenty of adults aren’t pulling their weight at all and boast on about being ‘child free’, thank goodness we still have some selfless enough to dedicate themselves to raising 7 children. They are true grafters.

Nobody has a civic duty to have children, and you should only be having 7 children if you can financially provide for them.

SleeplessInWherever · 06/08/2025 14:20

Nobody has a civic responsibility to have children if they don’t wish to. Society is not owed our children.

ThankYouNigel · 06/08/2025 14:16

SugarSoiree · 06/08/2025 14:01

So there's families where there are 7 children, both parents are unemployed to look after all those kids and aren't earning a penny for their keep?

Good grief! No wonder the country is bankrupt! And you respect that? But don't respect the government subsidising child care so that women can work and prove for their children?

What is actually wrong with you?

These larger families are taking on more than their fair share of providing the necessary number of children to slow the impending crisis of an ageing population which growing numbers of adults are contributing to by entirely opting out of their civic responsibility to have children. So yeah, given plenty of adults aren’t pulling their weight at all and boast on about being ‘child free’, thank goodness we still have some selfless enough to dedicate themselves to raising 7 children. They are true grafters.

SugarSoiree · 06/08/2025 14:14

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/08/2025 14:01

Who is providing financially for these families?

That would be us.

SugarSoiree · 06/08/2025 14:14

ThankYouNigel · 06/08/2025 14:01

I cannot wait for your daughter to grow up and decide for herself she wants to join the growing number of housewives…then she really can begin living her best life! We’re only just getting started 😉

The fact that that is all you have to say about the future of women's rights and the future world tour daughters will live in if you have any is really sad.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/08/2025 14:13

SleeplessInWherever · 06/08/2025 14:04

That, I assume, would be us.

I don’t mind funding someone’s ability to have 7 children and both stay at home. I don’t think that’s a pisstake at all.

Madness!

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/08/2025 14:09

ThankYouNigel · 06/08/2025 14:01

I cannot wait for your daughter to grow up and decide for herself she wants to join the growing number of housewives…then she really can begin living her best life! We’re only just getting started 😉

I mean, the data disagrees with you but facts don’t seem to bother you anyway.

SleeplessInWherever · 06/08/2025 14:04

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/08/2025 14:01

Who is providing financially for these families?

That, I assume, would be us.

I don’t mind funding someone’s ability to have 7 children and both stay at home. I don’t think that’s a pisstake at all.

ThankYouNigel · 06/08/2025 14:01

SugarSoiree · 06/08/2025 13:57

On a serious note it's really important for women to actually see these conversations happening on a modern day forum, that is the only reason any of us are really still conversing with the Professional Housewife.

Women need to know that their fairly recently hard won rights, their freedom and their equality is not guaranteed or set in stone and there are many people, sadly women included, that want to take those things away from them. If women become complacent and think this isn't an issue and there's no work left to do because the battle is won, people like the Professional Housewife will carry on unchecked and if it's not kept in check we could find ourselves in the same position a lot of American women are in now where there rights are being rescinded and they are going backwards.

As for my angry ranting posts @ThankYouNigel , you bet I'm angry. As an actual good mother, one that wants my daughter to have a better life than I have had, I will always fight for her rights and for her to know she is never less than a man and should never accept being treated like she is by a husband or society. My life is great now, I've overcome all of the difficulties I faced due to being a woman and came out the other side but I don't want her to have to face those difficulties at all. She deserves equal health care where women's health is researched as much as mens and her pain is taken as seriously as her husband's. She deserves a husband who respects her and doesn't expect her to clean up after him. She deserves to have the right and freedom to pursue her own ambitions. I fight for my daughter and all the other girls who will one day be women and deserve better than women get now. I will never stop fighting for my daughter.

I cannot wait for your daughter to grow up and decide for herself she wants to join the growing number of housewives…then she really can begin living her best life! We’re only just getting started 😉

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/08/2025 14:01

ThankYouNigel · 06/08/2025 13:55

UK- you couldn’t pay me to live in America! I detest their lack of maternity rights and gun culture.

There are genuinely many families on our school run who have 4-7 children of a spread of ages. Sometimes both parents are at home to fully meet the needs of the biggest families, often both on every school run. Everyone is very family friendly here thankfully, asks about each other’s children, looks out for each other’s children- thoroughly decent families. Lovely people.

Who is providing financially for these families?

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/08/2025 14:01

SugarSoiree · 06/08/2025 13:57

On a serious note it's really important for women to actually see these conversations happening on a modern day forum, that is the only reason any of us are really still conversing with the Professional Housewife.

Women need to know that their fairly recently hard won rights, their freedom and their equality is not guaranteed or set in stone and there are many people, sadly women included, that want to take those things away from them. If women become complacent and think this isn't an issue and there's no work left to do because the battle is won, people like the Professional Housewife will carry on unchecked and if it's not kept in check we could find ourselves in the same position a lot of American women are in now where there rights are being rescinded and they are going backwards.

As for my angry ranting posts @ThankYouNigel , you bet I'm angry. As an actual good mother, one that wants my daughter to have a better life than I have had, I will always fight for her rights and for her to know she is never less than a man and should never accept being treated like she is by a husband or society. My life is great now, I've overcome all of the difficulties I faced due to being a woman and came out the other side but I don't want her to have to face those difficulties at all. She deserves equal health care where women's health is researched as much as mens and her pain is taken as seriously as her husband's. She deserves a husband who respects her and doesn't expect her to clean up after him. She deserves to have the right and freedom to pursue her own ambitions. I fight for my daughter and all the other girls who will one day be women and deserve better than women get now. I will never stop fighting for my daughter.

Couldn’t agree more 👏👏

SugarSoiree · 06/08/2025 14:01

ThankYouNigel · 06/08/2025 13:55

UK- you couldn’t pay me to live in America! I detest their lack of maternity rights and gun culture.

There are genuinely many families on our school run who have 4-7 children of a spread of ages. Sometimes both parents are at home to fully meet the needs of the biggest families, often both on every school run. Everyone is very family friendly here thankfully, asks about each other’s children, looks out for each other’s children- thoroughly decent families. Lovely people.

So there's families where there are 7 children, both parents are unemployed to look after all those kids and aren't earning a penny for their keep?

Good grief! No wonder the country is bankrupt! And you respect that? But don't respect the government subsidising child care so that women can work and prove for their children?

What is actually wrong with you?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 06/08/2025 13:59

ThankYouNigel · 06/08/2025 10:13

Oh and I bet you are also financially dependent on your DH- if he left tomorrow, I’d bet my house that you couldn’t survive on your own without him on your own earnings as an individual. Most can’t, but like to feel superior for working any token amount of hours. Most of the hours my friends who do work covers a few holidays etc and is a drop in the ocean compared to what their DH’s cover- still financially dependent factually 😂

What a sad post. It's such a shame in this day and age that you can't conceive of a woman being able to support herself. I know loads of women who are perfectly capable of standing on their own two feet. As for me, I have always been the higher earner in any case. I like it that way...far better to be in a relationship out of choice rather than because I can't afford to leave.

SugarSoiree · 06/08/2025 13:57

On a serious note it's really important for women to actually see these conversations happening on a modern day forum, that is the only reason any of us are really still conversing with the Professional Housewife.

Women need to know that their fairly recently hard won rights, their freedom and their equality is not guaranteed or set in stone and there are many people, sadly women included, that want to take those things away from them. If women become complacent and think this isn't an issue and there's no work left to do because the battle is won, people like the Professional Housewife will carry on unchecked and if it's not kept in check we could find ourselves in the same position a lot of American women are in now where there rights are being rescinded and they are going backwards.

As for my angry ranting posts @ThankYouNigel , you bet I'm angry. As an actual good mother, one that wants my daughter to have a better life than I have had, I will always fight for her rights and for her to know she is never less than a man and should never accept being treated like she is by a husband or society. My life is great now, I've overcome all of the difficulties I faced due to being a woman and came out the other side but I don't want her to have to face those difficulties at all. She deserves equal health care where women's health is researched as much as mens and her pain is taken as seriously as her husband's. She deserves a husband who respects her and doesn't expect her to clean up after him. She deserves to have the right and freedom to pursue her own ambitions. I fight for my daughter and all the other girls who will one day be women and deserve better than women get now. I will never stop fighting for my daughter.

ThankYouNigel · 06/08/2025 13:55

Glowingup · 06/08/2025 13:41

Well it doesn’t sound like the pp’s ex that you labelled a good man has taken a leaf out of their book. And seven kids? Where do you live? Utah?

UK- you couldn’t pay me to live in America! I detest their lack of maternity rights and gun culture.

There are genuinely many families on our school run who have 4-7 children of a spread of ages. Sometimes both parents are at home to fully meet the needs of the biggest families, often both on every school run. Everyone is very family friendly here thankfully, asks about each other’s children, looks out for each other’s children- thoroughly decent families. Lovely people.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 06/08/2025 13:49

SleeplessInWherever · 06/08/2025 13:40

I hope to God it was something like:

‘As you’re aware it’s my resident knobheads birthday, please pretend to be interested and come to this place I’ve half heartedly booked for the man I don’t care about. Cheers, miserable wife.’

Otherwise, I’m gonna assume it wasn’t that bad considering she’d clearly planned something for him.

Do you spend much time worrying about other people’s husbands? I didn’t think that would be on the full time wife/mother rota!

I suspect it wasn’t deferential enough. I feel like she thinks we should worship men unconditionally.

SleeplessInWherever · 06/08/2025 13:48

SugarSoiree · 06/08/2025 13:47

He was trying his best for her and she should be grateful 😂

It did come with a matching dish trainer tbf. Both yellow.

The woman doesn’t know she’s born.

SugarSoiree · 06/08/2025 13:47

Glowingup · 06/08/2025 13:44

😂
He sounds like a really good man

He was trying his best for her and she should be grateful 😂

Bringmeahigherlove · 06/08/2025 13:46

Lavenderandclimbingrose · 01/08/2025 20:14

But they wouldn’t do it. We put the stress on ourselves. My husband does his side of the family, gifts and cards - no expectation on my. Because that’s how we roll. He collects the kids and drops them off and he steps up. My children have been raised the same. Why do we feel ‘a woman’s load is huge?’

I think you’re over simplifying lots of issues. Socialisation, patriarchy, different gender expectations, the menopause etc. Women don’t “put that on themselves”.

SleeplessInWherever · 06/08/2025 13:45

Glowingup · 06/08/2025 13:44

😂
He sounds like a really good man

The BEST man, he worked for a bit, so that’s his good deeds done for life. He bought my stepmother a washing up bowl for Christmas one year too, so that’s having a dutiful wife ticked off too.

Top guy 🙏🏻