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To think most men wouldn’t survive a year living the life of an average woman?

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ThatRealLimeBee · 01/08/2025 20:12

The daily grind of sexism, safety worries, juggling expectations, emotional labour… Most men have no idea. AIBU to think they’d crumble under the load if they had to swap lives with us for a year?

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FrippEnos · 01/08/2025 22:18

I wonder given that so many women on here can't cope without the DC for more than a couple of days, how they would survive being a long distance lorry driver and only seeing their kids for 1.5 - 2 days every week?

lronWoman · 01/08/2025 22:17

A 'weak' man will generally get trampled on in life. A lot of women don't really comprehend that.

lronWoman · 01/08/2025 22:14

Plenty of female bricklayers nowadays.

I've yet to see one in the 4-5 years I've been on construction sites daily. Two of those years I was delivering mortar directly to the brickies.

Firefly1987 · 01/08/2025 22:14

Confrontayshunme · 01/08/2025 21:55

My 13yo DD has endured more pain and inconvenience just from her period in the last year than many men do at 30. We had a chat the other day about how most men are terrified of vasectomy because they have never experienced real bodily pain except from injury as children. The men in videos of period cramp simulators tell me all I need to know.

Why just men? I never got very painful periods and now my cramps are practically non-existent. The worst thing is the breast pain, but still perfectly manageable. I'd hate those simulators too. It's almost like you resent men not suffering enough, when it's far from the norm anyway.

Makingitupaswegoalong · 01/08/2025 22:12

OneNeatBlueOrca · 01/08/2025 20:46

Would you cope on an oil rig. In a manual job. As a builder or a brick layer?

Oil rig: no.
Manual job: yes.
Builder/bricklayer: yes if I’d had the training. Plenty of female bricklayers nowadays.

I see this argument with increasing frequency and it’s never from anyone who actually works at an oil rig.

lronWoman · 01/08/2025 22:12

Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. 'Men' hold the power as group but in reality it's a small proportion of men.

That homeless person freezing half to death in the winter is almost certainly a man. The individuals called up to war are mostly men. Sewage workers, binmen, manual labourers, etc. Admittedly women do most care jobs but the vast majority of dangerous and dirty jobs are done by men.

And despite the fact that it's frowned to 'live off a man', plenty still do. Men can't do that. They almost certainly have to work full time until their 70s. No going part time after you've had kids and then never returning to a proper career. And also being the vast majority of victims of violence etc and having to be 'competitive' in a different way to us to be taken seriously.

I think both sexes have their individual hardships but having to write the xmas cards every year is pretty low down the list IMHO.

autienotnaughty · 01/08/2025 22:10

OneNeatBlueOrca · 01/08/2025 20:46

Would you cope on an oil rig. In a manual job. As a builder or a brick layer?

no I wouldn’t

MagnificentBastard · 01/08/2025 22:09

I hate this trope. My husband does far more than his fair share. Most men I know at least share the domestic load, and the ones that don’t are the product of mothers and wives that have enabled them to not be fully formed adults.

FrippEnos · 01/08/2025 22:05

Confrontayshunme

The men in videos of period cramp simulators tell me all I need to know.

That would be the ones were they crank it up to 11?

I would love to see one were they put both the man and woman on one and then increase it gradually and see who taps out first.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 01/08/2025 22:04

OneNeatBlueOrca · 01/08/2025 20:25

That's not actually true
I see my dp every year, getting involved in the most ridiculous christmas tomfoolery with his family.

Presents lists stress about shopping for them.Christmas card lists.

All of them exchange presents when the youngest adults are in there. Forties and the youngest child is 17.

There are no actual little kids in this scenario, and there's always a massive stress over christmas.And presents and getting everything right and wrapped up and exchanged.

It's ludicrous for adults. I can give a toss about christmas presents for me.It's more about the experience in spending time with people I care about.

So in my relationship, he's the one making a meal of christmas, and I'd happily dispense with the whole thing.So some men would do it.

Yes, my husband faffs and stressed endlessly about multiple presents for grown adults.

My parents want charity goats, get charity goats. Something for my niblings. Gifts for our son.

I do lots of stuff around Christmas, but it all boils down to "christmassy versions of stuff I was doing anyway" and I don't see any need for extra stress.

Vintagefair · 01/08/2025 22:03

OneNeatBlueOrca · 01/08/2025 20:46

Would you cope on an oil rig. In a manual job. As a builder or a brick layer?

I'm a woman and I did a manual job for 30 years.
A quarter of farmers are women.
95% of grooms are women, 70% of the equine workforce are female.
My friend is a painter/decorator and volunteers on the local RNLI crew.
Not so long ago women worked down the mines.

During the war women worked the canals, were land girls and munitions workers doing long hours in factories. Men might have been on the front but if it weren't for women working like demons and looking after home and family at the same time the war might have ended another way.

We're not all wafting about in kitten heels wiping away tears with our ring fingers.

Twatalert · 01/08/2025 22:02

autumnskyes · 01/08/2025 21:59

Honestly I wouldn't survive a week living my husbands life - he's a tradie with a physical job, he has a fucked shoulder due to said job so is in constant pain, and he's self-employed so has to be nearly dead before he take a day off. My office job and monthly period is a piece of piss in comparison.

It is for you because that's what you prefer. Another person would suffer because they need to be out and about. Also, nothing stops him from changing his career to something that eases use of his shoulder. Just like women take jobs to work around kids.

autumnskyes · 01/08/2025 21:59

Honestly I wouldn't survive a week living my husbands life - he's a tradie with a physical job, he has a fucked shoulder due to said job so is in constant pain, and he's self-employed so has to be nearly dead before he take a day off. My office job and monthly period is a piece of piss in comparison.

Twatalert · 01/08/2025 21:58

FenderStrat · 01/08/2025 21:56

A lot of women have marta syndrom. They do things that don't need to be done.Then moan about doing them.

Because they received the good girl training as children. The onus is always on girls/women. First we train them to be good girls and once they enter the workforce they are all of a sudden expected to behave like men also or it will massively impact their salaries and careers.

HowardTJMoon · 01/08/2025 21:57

soupyspoon · 01/08/2025 21:36

But they just wouldnt do half the stuff anyway

Floors would be sticky, children would be dirty and badly fed, school clubs would be forgotten or payment not made, dental appointments missed, everything left to last minute and the blame someone else that chaos ensues.

When I was single-handedly raising my children they were clean and we had home-cooked meals around the dinner table every night, they did paid extra-curricular activities, they went to all the medical appointments they needed to, had friends over, and did well at school.

It took a lot of organisation at times and I'd have been screwed without my to-do lists and calendar. But as none of the day to day care seemed to require I have a vagina I managed fine.

soupyspoon · 01/08/2025 21:56

intrepidpanda · 01/08/2025 21:49

Agree with this.
Most women I know simply do not want husbands or partners to do things 'cause they would get it wrong'. Always say it a bit jokey but they mean it.
I have a bit of a do it later partner. I'm like 'fine' and go to bed. (and he does it) Others I know would be 'well I'll just do it then "and grump about it.

You're assuming they would do it though. Many just wouldnt do it, so it doesnt get done

My OH doesnt do birthday or christmas cards for family, his own children. I used to do it and then stopped and said he needed to as its his family I dont expect him to do that for my family and friends. He doesnt do it. therefore his own children dont get birthday cards from him and grandchildren. Its just not on his radar

FenderStrat · 01/08/2025 21:56

A lot of women have marta syndrom. They do things that don't need to be done.Then moan about doing them.

Confrontayshunme · 01/08/2025 21:55

My 13yo DD has endured more pain and inconvenience just from her period in the last year than many men do at 30. We had a chat the other day about how most men are terrified of vasectomy because they have never experienced real bodily pain except from injury as children. The men in videos of period cramp simulators tell me all I need to know.

Twatalert · 01/08/2025 21:53

The women's network at my workplace offers confidence coaching to women. One day I will let rip what I think about this and get fired.

Firefly1987 · 01/08/2025 21:52

I have it pretty easy tbh. I opted out of relationships and motherhood (I suggest the constant moaners do the same!) as these were all options available to me. It's perfectly possible to lead a simple stress free life as a woman-if you want a man and family then obviously the type of thing you mention is what you sign up for. I'd much rather be a woman than a man though.

intrepidpanda · 01/08/2025 21:49

Lavenderandclimbingrose · 01/08/2025 20:14

But they wouldn’t do it. We put the stress on ourselves. My husband does his side of the family, gifts and cards - no expectation on my. Because that’s how we roll. He collects the kids and drops them off and he steps up. My children have been raised the same. Why do we feel ‘a woman’s load is huge?’

Agree with this.
Most women I know simply do not want husbands or partners to do things 'cause they would get it wrong'. Always say it a bit jokey but they mean it.
I have a bit of a do it later partner. I'm like 'fine' and go to bed. (and he does it) Others I know would be 'well I'll just do it then "and grump about it.

KingfisherAmmonite · 01/08/2025 21:46

ThatRealLimeBee · 01/08/2025 20:12

The daily grind of sexism, safety worries, juggling expectations, emotional labour… Most men have no idea. AIBU to think they’d crumble under the load if they had to swap lives with us for a year?

A year?

They'd barely last a week!

Twatalert · 01/08/2025 21:45

I don't have the husband part but I'd quite like to send men into work with regular periods. I'd also like so see them womansplained at, doubted what they say by women, having to work harder for promotions and so on.

I recently realised that I got rid of all the little admin stuff man at work try to assign to women but that I am still doing the mental load for them. Things like: I tell a coworker when I will be off and require cover and he simply responds with 'ok, I will be off after you'. Nothing else. Requires me to ask about dates, what needs doing etc. I'm going to figure out a way to stop this because I am sick of this shit.

slightlydistrac · 01/08/2025 21:42

Glowingup · 01/08/2025 21:32

In my experience, some of the least sympathetic medical practitioners in respect of periods, childbirth, menopause and endometriosis have been women. Most women don’t experience intense pain, flooding or completely debilitating symptoms and many seem unable to compute that other women might.

You've been unlucky in that respect, my GP practices wherever I've lived have been overwhelmingly staffed by male doctors. The best doctor I ever had was female.

SeriaMau · 01/08/2025 21:37

Stripeysockspots · 01/08/2025 20:53

But they have typically had women to prop them up.

The men who are most successful in my work all have women who are picking up EVERYTHING for them at home. The women who are most successful are outsourcing the same things to other women.

Yup. Mrs Shackleton did all the ironing on his boat trip.

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