To think most men wouldn’t survive a year living the life of an average woman?

Yep. We certainly don't need more babies. Especially not when immigration is still driving population growth and they're having lots of babies too. I suspect they're the wrong kind of babies for a reform voter though.

Reform making policies that drag women back into domestic servitude, what a surprise!

Paid work is not a distraction from raising your own children. It sets an example in how to be a productive member of society, if we all just stayed home and tended our children undistracted the world would stop turning 🙄 women are more than just mothers, to call anything other than mothering a distraction is misogynistic to the core. We are still people!

If Nigel gets his way and all the working women are sent back home and their childcare taken away, I hope you don't moan when you can't get medical care because all the nurses are back at home and your children can't get an education because all the teachers are back at home. If you take all the mothers out of the workforce and sne them home everything would collapse. It's clearly lost on you that it's only everyone else working that enables you to stay at home and focus on dinner parties.

'Drastically falling birthrate' isn't necessarily an issue when the world is already massively overpopulated and infrastructure creaking under the pressure. If you look at the attached graph you'll see how drastically the human population had exploded over the past century or so.

The huge number of elderly needing cared for is a genuine issue but increasing the population to deal with it is kind of like taking out new debt to pay existing debt.

Reform making policies that drag women back into domestic servitude, what a surprise!

Paid work is not a distraction from raising your own children. It sets an example in how to be a productive member of society, if we all just stayed home and tended our children undistracted the world would stop turning 🙄 women are more than just mothers, to call anything other than mothering a distraction is misogynistic to the core. We are still people!

If Nigel gets his way and all the working women are sent back home and their childcare taken away, I hope you don't moan when you can't get medical care because all the nurses are back at home and your children can't get an education because all the teachers are back at home. If you take all the mothers out of the workforce and sne them home everything would collapse. It's clearly lost on you that it's only everyone else working that enables you to stay at home and focus on dinner parties.

Their husband's might be paying for their house and bills and the food they eat but they are certainly not paying for everything they take from the state.
most people aren't, how is that relevant.

What's your acceptable cut-off then? How much is a single person supposed to earn to pay everything they "take" from the state?

What pad job is "a service to society" and what job isn't?

Let's see how well things will work out if we also remove every single volunteer and people only work against a paycheck.

while all the posters here are agreeing with me and not you,
your comprehension and reading skills are out of this world 😂😂

Caring for your own children well yourself instead of being distracted by paid work absolutely is a ‘service to society’, especially in the context of drastically falling birth rates and higher than ever child mental health issues. Children and teenagers requires high levels of emotional, responsive care from their own parents. This used to be understood and respected by society, not sneered at and outsourced.

Reform are the only political party that even acknowledges the existence of SAHPs, their right to have this choice, and excellent suggestions of adjustments to how we tax families and how a higher percentage of child benefit would make more sense to receive for ALL parents with children under school age. Have a read of their policies on this for yourself. Make no mistake though- SAHPs, both male and female, are openly discussing how impressed they are by this in parks after school. They have had enough of the disrespect and have already switched their vote accordingly.

Trust me, no one who is not paying tax, but is using public services, had their school years paid for, has all their treatment free on the NHS and will get their pension paid in their old age without ever paying a penny in is pulling their weight in society. Not in an economic sense which is why the country is currently fucked. Their husband's might be paying for their house and bills and the food they eat but they are certainly not paying for everything they take from the state. Looking after your own family is not a service to society, it's a personal responsibility we all have and most of us manage it while working too.

You're the one angrily arguing away while all the posters here are agreeing with me and not you, so why are you still arguing with all of us? Why do you think your opinion matters?

Btw Cyan, if ThanksNigel gets her way and Nigel gets in, removes all nursery funding and forces women back into the kitchen where she and he thinks they belong by making childcare unaffordable, women won't have the choice. You can bet your bottom dollar it won't be men leaving the workforce in drives to care for children. Child care liberates women to have their own ambition and independence and Nigel wants to take that away. How's that for misogyny!?

Praise be, under his eye, etc!

(Hoping that’s not lost on you 😂😂)

Praise be, under his eye, etc!

(Hoping that’s not lost on you 😂😂)

Yeah think we were both involved in that particular wild ride of thread 😂😂
The similarities are uncanny and I know my view, but I’ll leave it at that!

I thought the same, I’ve got a feeling we mean the same person.

I did ask - she apparently doesn’t know what/who I’m talking about.

The daily grind of sexism, safety worries, juggling expectations, emotional labour… Most men have no idea. AIBU to think they’d crumble under the load if they had to swap lives with us for a year?

I suspect you’re a poster who I’ve previously discussed this with but you’ve changed your username - if it’s not you then you and this other potter have remarkably similar posting styles and views.
You’re under the impression that society has a vendetta against SAHMs yet the language you use to describe working mothers is incredibly negative. It’s so hypocritical.

Caring for your own children well yourself instead of being distracted by paid work absolutely is a ‘service to society’, especially in the context of drastically falling birth rates and higher than ever child mental health issues. Children and teenagers requires high levels of emotional, responsive care from their own parents. This used to be understood and respected by society, not sneered at and outsourced.

Reform are the only political party that even acknowledges the existence of SAHPs, their right to have this choice, and excellent suggestions of adjustments to how we tax families and how a higher percentage of child benefit would make more sense to receive for ALL parents with children under school age. Have a read of their policies on this for yourself. Make no mistake though- SAHPs, both male and female, are openly discussing how impressed they are by this in parks after school. They have had enough of the disrespect and have already switched their vote accordingly.

Trust me, no one who is not paying tax, but is using public services, had their school years paid for, has all their treatment free on the NHS and will get their pension paid in their old age without ever paying a penny in is pulling their weight in society. Not in an economic sense which is why the country is currently fucked. Their husband's might be paying for their house and bills and the food they eat but they are certainly not paying for everything they take from the state. Looking after your own family is not a service to society, it's a personal responsibility we all have and most of us manage it while working too.

You're the one angrily arguing away while all the posters here are agreeing with me and not you, so why are you still arguing with all of us? Why do you think your opinion matters?

Btw Cyan, if ThanksNigel gets her way and Nigel gets in, removes all nursery funding and forces women back into the kitchen where she and he thinks they belong by making childcare unaffordable, women won't have the choice. You can bet your bottom dollar it won't be men leaving the workforce in drives to care for children. Child care liberates women to have their own ambition and independence and Nigel wants to take that away. How's that for misogyny!?

I am not sure why you believe that anyone should care about "what you want" or why you seem to think it matters? Just because you have an opinion and can express it online, it doesn't mean you are right or your opinion matters.

You are clearly not bright enough to grasp that there are many ways to "pull your weight in society" and many don't have anything to do with paid employments.

When a family is self-supporting, no one is "a scrounger" but you are missing that point. They might even be pulling their weight a lot more than you are.

Without snark, I’d love to know how people achieve this. If anything, I’m finding the demands of parenting teens far exceed the demands of parenting young children. When they were younger, I felt like I could really outsource a lot of the tasks, I don’t feel I can outsource as much parenting teens. Admittedly, I probably had too many kids to make that achievable, but for the first time in my life I am considering dropping my hours at work due to the demands of parenting and general life. I earn around £75k, so haven’t been on pocket change all these years, but I am genuinely finding myself needing to invest more rather than less into parenting as my kids hit adolescence.

Good grief back to jealousy 😂

It's ok, from your cutting hedge brain surgery comment I'm going to guess you're not bright enough to grasp what I've actually been trying to tell you. No one likes scroungers! We certainly aren't jealous of them! We want them to actually pull their weight in society!

I really don't see the point in posters repeatedly saying how wonderful their husbands are?? If the op is making generalisations then then this sort of response is anecdotal and also useless.

And now it's turned into a post about bashing SAHM's, how original.

I would stick to facts.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/articles/womenshouldertheresponsibilityofunpaidwork/2016-11-10

I really don't see the point in posters repeatedly saying how wonderful their husbands are?? If the op is making generalisations then then this sort of response is anecdotal and also useless.

And now it's turned into a post about bashing SAHM's, how original.

I would stick to facts.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/articles/womenshouldertheresponsibilityofunpaidwork/2016-11-10

Agree. My husband absolutely pulls his weight with house and childcare and would take my role over and perform it just as effectively as me tomorrow if he had to without any whingeing. He's an ethical, hard-working, committed parent and partner and I knew he would be and that was part of what attracted me to him.

I'm not blind to the patriarchy in society but it doesn't get a look-in under my roof. I wasn't going to choose a big man baby to live and parent with.

None of that describes how I feel as a woman.

I don’t have “constant” safety concerns, or any appearance pressures. I don’t carry more of the weight in my house or family, domestically or emotionally.