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To think most men wouldn’t survive a year living the life of an average woman?

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ThatRealLimeBee · 01/08/2025 20:12

The daily grind of sexism, safety worries, juggling expectations, emotional labour… Most men have no idea. AIBU to think they’d crumble under the load if they had to swap lives with us for a year?

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HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/08/2025 08:52

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:35

This doesn’t surprise me- I’ve yet to come across a poster on here who has one good word to say about their own mother. I hope their own children return the favour!

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My mum was wonderful. But she was financially abused by her partner who ended up killing her so forgive me if I’ll NEVER be financially dependent on any man and want to earn enough money to give myself options should I need them.

HowardTJMoon · 05/08/2025 08:49

SleeplessInWherever · 05/08/2025 08:34

My partner has just made me my morning coffee. So he’s now, ✨ a barista ✨

He is however the wrong sex to be in the kitchen. So not sure what to do about that.

Not just a barista, but a professional barista. Don't sell him short.

I had to apply a plaster to my DD at the weekend and I regularly handle medications. You can now refer to me as Dr Howard Moon.

Confusdworriedmum · 05/08/2025 08:49

People are saying men do their share of housework/ looking after kids etc which is great. However that doesn't mean men experience sexism on a regular basis or are scared to go out incase they get attacked or deal with the shit our bodies go through due to periods, pregnancy, childbirth and then menopause.
Men might step up but I think they'd struggle being a woman

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/08/2025 08:47

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:44

Certain ‘Feminists’ need to be more honest about the fact that they don’t want equality, but for all women to be the breadwinners. Men are wising up to that though, and it is doomed to fail.

Only the incels.
Decent men are proud of their high earning wives.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/08/2025 08:46

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:32

Are you actually for real?

Who is the one receiving nothing but horrible comments from every other poster on here?! 😂 People who completely misunderstand what I do, people who mock every aspect of it, people who don’t believe what I do (genuinely, why would someone lie about booking Christmas tickets early?! 😂 and yea radiators do need to be cleaned- try it and see for yourself how much filth falls out!), people who cannot comprehend that people enjoy doing different tasks to themselves, people who say they do the same but don’t- some serious gaslighting going on!

I see you’ve avoided actually responding to the point again and instead have decided to play the victim completely oblivious to the disgusting comments you’ve made towards working mothers on this and other threads.

You are receiving horrible comments because you are being horrible.
The vast majority of people don’t care that you’re a SAHM. They respect your choice and don’t think twice about it.
But your bizarre need for the world to acknowledge you as ‘the greatest mum that ever lived’ is what is causing people to comment, it’s your superior attitude not your choice to be a SAHM.

If you had just commented that you have chosen to be a SAHM but you fully respect the choices other women have made, nobody would have commented. It’s the fact you call working mothers bad parents (both directly and indirectly) and spend so much time trying to prove how you’re better than us all.
Your comments about removing subsidised childcare and the use of childcare are also pretty inflammatory so are of course going to illicit a reaction.

Anyway, I suspect that your either a troll or you enjoy the drama cos nobody who is this dedicated to their family spends days glued to their phone arguing with strangers.

HowardTJMoon · 05/08/2025 08:45

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:10

How wonderful to hear someone taking pride in the quality of the food they make, it’s a skill to be proud of for sure. Lucky family and friends! You are giving much joy to their day!

Or maybe I should just take pride in the everyday stuff I do without being so needy and desperate for external validation that I feel compelled to invent a bogus "professional" tag for it.

I am actually a professional, with industry qualifications and everything. It's how I earn my living. That's what the word means.

SleeplessInWherever · 05/08/2025 08:45

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:44

Certain ‘Feminists’ need to be more honest about the fact that they don’t want equality, but for all women to be the breadwinners. Men are wising up to that though, and it is doomed to fail.

Doomed to fail, you tell that to my bank balance 😂😂

SleeplessInWherever · 05/08/2025 08:44

Mondaytuesdayhappydays · 05/08/2025 08:23

Touch a nerve? Give over!
There’s helping with a home project by collating some materials and a box ( it’s always a bloody box 📦) and starting them off - to parents working on/adding final flourishes to elaborate works of art until 11pm on Sunday nights long after little Nigel has gone to bed.
We would deliberately shove those at the back of the display table and the Clarks shoe box with glued on toilet rolls, bark and a random power ranger sellotaped on for luck would be pride of place obscuring the ‘parents piece’
But it did give us a lot of comedy mileage tbh - so thankyou x

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I’m a former teacher who puts artwork on the fridge for about 2 days before it goes in the bin, because I don’t like tat.

I save the very best, but I can’t keep every paint smudge or glued pasta, so 99% of it lasts a few days then is gone.

It is not rotated 😂

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:44

SleeplessInWherever · 05/08/2025 08:41

I’ve got lots of good things to say about my mother. She raised 3 children, largely by herself.

After leaving my alcoholic abusive father, who was the bread winner, we were dirt poor and better cared for by a woman who not only worked to get the little that we had, but taught her children (daughters) the dangers of relying on or being ordered about by a man.

She’s now got independent children who can hold their own ground and pay their own way, and rely on their partners for precisely zero that they couldn’t happily do themselves.

She’s remarried now, to my wonderful stepfather. She is now the breadwinner (all the women in my immediate family are) and both her and my stepdad manage their home.

Certain ‘Feminists’ need to be more honest about the fact that they don’t want equality, but for all women to be the breadwinners. Men are wising up to that though, and it is doomed to fail.

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:42

I’m heading back to the Christmas boards anyway, I have found my people there not here! 🎅🏻🤶🏻🎁🥂🥳

SleeplessInWherever · 05/08/2025 08:41

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:35

This doesn’t surprise me- I’ve yet to come across a poster on here who has one good word to say about their own mother. I hope their own children return the favour!

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I’ve got lots of good things to say about my mother. She raised 3 children, largely by herself.

After leaving my alcoholic abusive father, who was the bread winner, we were dirt poor and better cared for by a woman who not only worked to get the little that we had, but taught her children (daughters) the dangers of relying on or being ordered about by a man.

She’s now got independent children who can hold their own ground and pay their own way, and rely on their partners for precisely zero that they couldn’t happily do themselves.

She’s remarried now, to my wonderful stepfather. She is now the breadwinner (all the women in my immediate family are) and both her and my stepdad manage their home.

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:40

Mondaytuesdayhappydays · 05/08/2025 08:23

Touch a nerve? Give over!
There’s helping with a home project by collating some materials and a box ( it’s always a bloody box 📦) and starting them off - to parents working on/adding final flourishes to elaborate works of art until 11pm on Sunday nights long after little Nigel has gone to bed.
We would deliberately shove those at the back of the display table and the Clarks shoe box with glued on toilet rolls, bark and a random power ranger sellotaped on for luck would be pride of place obscuring the ‘parents piece’
But it did give us a lot of comedy mileage tbh - so thankyou x

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Yeah, you’re horrible and I get why more parents are home educating.

My DCs school sends so much homework from Reception which was way too hard. All parents helped and many complained actually. The children at that age are unable to even read what they are supposed to be doing. You should know that.

Unfortunately, we as a society are threatened by excellence and praise being a lazy/bad mom. I despise it.

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:35

Glowingup · 05/08/2025 08:29

Lol they are now but my mums friends’ kids who I grew up with were also delightful and polite as children. As adults they don’t have an especially close relationship with their mums and all the daughters are career women and wouldn’t dream of being a SAHM. They also seem to see their mothers as stupid due to lack of career and education and there seems to be no appreciation for the sacrifice they made. On a personal level, I didn’t go to nursery or childminder either as my mum stayed at home and genuinely, I wish I had. I have an odd relationship with my mum and I think she’s a narcissist who partly expressed it through being an “ideal homemaker” (there’s a lot about your posts that reminds me of her). I don’t think I benefited from being home with her and my siblings don’t either and we all sent our DC to childcare and didn’t give up work.

This doesn’t surprise me- I’ve yet to come across a poster on here who has one good word to say about their own mother. I hope their own children return the favour!

SleeplessInWherever · 05/08/2025 08:34

HowardTJMoon · 05/08/2025 08:00

While I'm unqualified to be a professional housewife, I do regularly cook and I take pride in the quality of the food I make. As such I hereby declare myself a professional chef.

My partner has just made me my morning coffee. So he’s now, ✨ a barista ✨

He is however the wrong sex to be in the kitchen. So not sure what to do about that.

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:32

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/08/2025 08:28

You’d soon care about people jobs if there were no longer any teachers, healthcare professionals, carers, university lecturers, retail staff, social workers etc because women were forced out of the labour market.
And who do you think helps fund all of the services you use through the taxes? Oh yeah, women who work!

I think it’s sad you’re so resentful of women who make different choices to you.

Are you actually for real?

Who is the one receiving nothing but horrible comments from every other poster on here?! 😂 People who completely misunderstand what I do, people who mock every aspect of it, people who don’t believe what I do (genuinely, why would someone lie about booking Christmas tickets early?! 😂 and yea radiators do need to be cleaned- try it and see for yourself how much filth falls out!), people who cannot comprehend that people enjoy doing different tasks to themselves, people who say they do the same but don’t- some serious gaslighting going on!

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/08/2025 08:32

And by the way, some of us do actually work in professional jobs - jobs that are specifically defined that way, require specific qualifications and memberships of professional bodies.

Glowingup · 05/08/2025 08:29

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:15

Oh I couldn’t agree more the children need to be taught appreciation, gratitude and manners. My children are fully involved in all household chores and gardening, they offer to help without even being asked actually. They say thank you with sincerity, I have modelled that and absolutely expect that. I personally don’t agree with children not doing chores- mine have proved very capable of that from age 1-2. Once a child can walk they are certainly capable of dropping a few toys in a box!

Lol they are now but my mums friends’ kids who I grew up with were also delightful and polite as children. As adults they don’t have an especially close relationship with their mums and all the daughters are career women and wouldn’t dream of being a SAHM. They also seem to see their mothers as stupid due to lack of career and education and there seems to be no appreciation for the sacrifice they made. On a personal level, I didn’t go to nursery or childminder either as my mum stayed at home and genuinely, I wish I had. I have an odd relationship with my mum and I think she’s a narcissist who partly expressed it through being an “ideal homemaker” (there’s a lot about your posts that reminds me of her). I don’t think I benefited from being home with her and my siblings don’t either and we all sent our DC to childcare and didn’t give up work.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/08/2025 08:28

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:20

Nor is having a job. It’s just a job, you are just a number, your boss would replace you tomorrow without a backwards glance if it suited them. Nobody really cares about anyone’s job, or is interested in hearing them bore on about it. How sad if your whole identity as a human being revolved around a job title which can be removed.

I love not having a boss telling me what to do, I do exactly what I like, the freedom is utterly intoxicating! That’s what the government are keen to prevent people realising 😜

You’d soon care about people jobs if there were no longer any teachers, healthcare professionals, carers, university lecturers, retail staff, social workers etc because women were forced out of the labour market.
And who do you think helps fund all of the services you use through the taxes? Oh yeah, women who work!

I think it’s sad you’re so resentful of women who make different choices to you.

Mondaytuesdayhappydays · 05/08/2025 08:23

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:12

What a lovely person you sound. How horrible mocking people who take the time to support their child’s education. How hypocritical of schools not to value that. Stop sending such complicated homework which is often far from age appropriate then?

Touch a nerve? Give over!
There’s helping with a home project by collating some materials and a box ( it’s always a bloody box 📦) and starting them off - to parents working on/adding final flourishes to elaborate works of art until 11pm on Sunday nights long after little Nigel has gone to bed.
We would deliberately shove those at the back of the display table and the Clarks shoe box with glued on toilet rolls, bark and a random power ranger sellotaped on for luck would be pride of place obscuring the ‘parents piece’
But it did give us a lot of comedy mileage tbh - so thankyou x

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/08/2025 08:21

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 07:58

Wanting parents and grandparents actually to have the right to care for their own family under school age, and not being discriminated against and priced out of that option, does not equate to restricting women’s rights 😂

No but removing subsidised childcare does discriminate against women. Forcing them into a situation where they have no choice but to stop working is restricting their choices. But because you don’t care about working mothers you conveniently ignore that fact.

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:20

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/08/2025 08:16

It doesn’t make it true though.
You can be proud to be a housewife and take inspiration from other housewives but that doesn’t make it a ‘profession’.

I understand that external validation is really important to you but this just makes you sound ridiculous and is not going to gain the the respect you so desperately crave.

Nor is having a job. It’s just a job, you are just a number, your boss would replace you tomorrow without a backwards glance if it suited them. Nobody really cares about anyone’s job, or is interested in hearing them bore on about it. How sad if your whole identity as a human being revolved around a job title which can be removed.

I love not having a boss telling me what to do, I do exactly what I like, the freedom is utterly intoxicating! That’s what the government are keen to prevent people realising 😜

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/08/2025 08:16

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 06:32

Nerkesha Rogers would beg to differ- plenty of inspirational women out there proudly describing themselves as professional housewives, and that is absolutely up to them.

It doesn’t make it true though.
You can be proud to be a housewife and take inspiration from other housewives but that doesn’t make it a ‘profession’.

I understand that external validation is really important to you but this just makes you sound ridiculous and is not going to gain the the respect you so desperately crave.

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:15

Glowingup · 05/08/2025 08:09

Nobody is saying parents can’t care for their children. If you can survive being dependent on your husband for an extensive period of time then you can crack on. Theres nothing stopping you. Most people don’t really want to do that once all things have been considered, such as the impact of a loss of career. It’s actually fine if you are ultra high net worth because in a divorce there would be more than enough to set you up for life and you don’t need to work.

But you’d have to be a big gambler to do it if your DH earns fairly well (say 70-150k) and you don’t have loads of assets. Then if you cut off your earning capacity you have a high chance of being fucked on divorce and later in old age. Nearly half of marriages break down. Spousal maintenance is quite rare these days and even if you get an okay settlement, you could face poverty in old age which I have seen with a number of my mums friends.

Interestingly my mums friends who were homemakers all managed to raise ungrateful brats who didn’t appreciate any of the hard work they did in the home and now look down on them because they were “just” housewives and they think they are thick. They genuinely could have given them oven chips, sent them to childcare and saved themselves all that effort. Imagine going to all those lengths to source Christmas tickets in January and your ungrateful child grows up looking down on you and will never appreciate what you did and you don’t have a better relationship with them than any of the mums who sent their children to nursery. That must sting.

Oh I couldn’t agree more the children need to be taught appreciation, gratitude and manners. My children are fully involved in all household chores and gardening, they offer to help without even being asked actually. They say thank you with sincerity, I have modelled that and absolutely expect that. I personally don’t agree with children not doing chores- mine have proved very capable of that from age 1-2. Once a child can walk they are certainly capable of dropping a few toys in a box!

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:12

Mondaytuesdayhappydays · 05/08/2025 08:09

You know the adults are laying it on due to your excitement and ‘expectant little face’ rather than your kids, don’t you ? The gratitude and amazement at the child’s skill is all performative surely you realise that??
People don’t ‘treasure’ kids crafts , they think aww that’s cute, thanks and stick it on the fridge or out on the kitchen window sill and be er look at it again.

You remind me of when I was teaching the mums who actually did the child’s project /topic work for them, creating elaborate works of art over a whole weekend and carrying it in carefully and proudly on a Monday morning expecting an award, opposed to the kids bumbling in with a cardboard box with some wool, pasta and glitter stuck on the sides.
Those sad tragic beaming mums were the butt of many, many jokes.

What a lovely person you sound. How horrible mocking people who take the time to support their child’s education. How hypocritical of schools not to value that. Stop sending such complicated homework which is often far from age appropriate then?

ThankYouNigel · 05/08/2025 08:10

HowardTJMoon · 05/08/2025 08:00

While I'm unqualified to be a professional housewife, I do regularly cook and I take pride in the quality of the food I make. As such I hereby declare myself a professional chef.

How wonderful to hear someone taking pride in the quality of the food they make, it’s a skill to be proud of for sure. Lucky family and friends! You are giving much joy to their day!