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To be irritated at being asked to give my pronouns?

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purpledaze24 · 01/08/2025 09:34

I work in a very “progressive” organisation who are constantly trying to be sooo pc about everything 🙄
Almost daily I have meetings with colleagues, clients, and people from other organisations. At the beginning of EVERY meeting my manager asks everyone to go round and give their pronouns. It’s SO annoying! Every single person is always the pronoun they look like, my work also has nothing to do with supporting trans people or anything related, many of the people I’ve known for years, yet she still makes us do this every single meeting!! AIBU to be unbelievably irritated (and actually kind of offended) by this?

On a slightly different topic, I was at a friend’s barbecue recently and there was a young woman there who asked what my pronouns were. I answered she/her through gritted teeth and she said back “I’m he/him” (!) She was (what I assumed) was a slightly boyish lesbian. She didn’t appear to be making any attempt to look like a man. She even had long hair. She was just wearing “boyish” clothes (but stuff I’d wear sometimes). I thought how annoying it must be to go through life constantly having to “correct” people. Am I being overly judgmental by being annoyed by this? Like it feels like she’s just making a total mockery of gender and actually if I was a genuine trans man who desperately wanted to be recognised as he/him I’d feel like she was taking the absolute piss!

OP posts:
Dearg · 01/08/2025 10:15

I have only once been asked to provide my pronouns; as a consultant visiting the local council with a client. I just said , they are private and protected.

That shut the conversation down pretty sharpish, other than my client trying to suppress a guffaw.

As pp said, no reason to need them in a meeting ; referring to me as she or he in front of me is pretty rude.

AuntyDepressant · 01/08/2025 10:13

I’d say sorry I don’t have any, I’m not indulging in performative nonsense.

MascaraGirl · 01/08/2025 10:12

VickyEadieofThigh · 01/08/2025 09:36

YANBU because it's performative nonsense.

Totally agree. Its pretty damn obvious that I was born female and have remained that way, I find it irritating to have to spell it out, just to tick a box

SabrinaThwaite · 01/08/2025 10:11

If it was meeting just between colleagues I’d be tempted to provide a different set of neo pronouns every week.

AlexandraLeaving · 01/08/2025 10:10

What I want to do in such situations is say “thee/thou”, because second-person pronoun usage is much more likely to trip people up and help them see that it is silly to mess around with normal language usage (& also I like the humility associated with the old thee/thou like tu in French and part of the problem with this trend of compelled speech is about being self-centred rather than seeing oneself as a small part of wider society).

What I actually do is ignore the request wherever possible or mutter “whatever” if absolutely pushed.

SprayWhiteDung · 01/08/2025 10:07

ConnieHeart · 01/08/2025 10:03

Also, aren't pronouns only relevant when you're talking about the person, in front of them? How often would that even happen? If someone told me their pronouns I'd be tempted say "you're assuming I'm going to be talking about you"

Yes, that's a large part of it: they tend to love to think that they'll be foremost in people's minds and discussions continually. It's usually an attention-seeking goal that drives them.

Mydoglovescheese · 01/08/2025 10:05

I volunteer for a charity and we’ve been asked to add our preferred pronouns to emails. I’ve refused and have made it clear that if it becomes mandatory I will leave.

At a private, social event I would reply with ‘What interest could you possibly have in my preferred pronouns’.

SprayWhiteDung · 01/08/2025 10:05

The BBQ woman was pure and simple just an attention-seeker. When would she actually need to refer to you in the third person if your only interaction is that you happen to have both been invited to the same get-together?

In the unlikely event that she did need to refer to you, she would surely say "The person over there in the purple top". After all, if she said she/he/them or whatever, people would ask for clarification about whom she was talking, and she still wouldn't know your name anyway.

Jellycatspyjamas · 01/08/2025 10:04

MimiGC · 01/08/2025 09:57

Like you, I work in an environment where people are encouraged to share their pronouns (though not at every meeting, that sounds extreme). I’ve never done it and never will. I just ignore encouragement to add pronouns to written documents and if people are verbally adding their pronouns to their names when introducing themselves in a meeting, I just don’t do it, I just say my name. In years, no one had ever challenged me.

I do the same, just my name and when appropriate my role. I’ve never been challenged - if you don’t want to give pronouns just don’t.

ConnieHeart · 01/08/2025 10:03

Also, aren't pronouns only relevant when you're talking about the person, in front of them? How often would that even happen? If someone told me their pronouns I'd be tempted say "you're assuming I'm going to be talking about you"

SprayWhiteDung · 01/08/2025 10:01

IsawwhatIsaw · 01/08/2025 09:54

We had this at my charity workplace, asked to add pronouns as part of email signatures.
no one did except the initiator. It

Were there some words missing at the end there, or did the initiator genuinely want to be referred to as 'it'?!

titchy · 01/08/2025 10:00

Hi - I’m titchy and I’m atheist. What’s that - you want pronouns? Oh, I assumed we were allowed to pick any of the 9 protected characteristics and say which we had to show allyship. Why does Acme corporation only want to show allyship to one of the nine? Aren’t the others just as important?

Lemniscate8 · 01/08/2025 09:59

Greenclock123 · 01/08/2025 09:57

Just to be clear, it is left wing stuff this!

I disagree! denigrating women and asserting the rights of men over them is right wing, in my opinion

comfybeforeall · 01/08/2025 09:59

Even if you feel compelled to do this at work, you should have stood up for yourself at the BBQ. In a social situation don't let yourself be forced 'through gritted teeth' to comply with someone else's belief system. Stand up for yourself. Just refuse to play along.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/08/2025 09:58

I would change jobs.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 01/08/2025 09:58

YANBU, I just say no thanks though

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 01/08/2025 09:58

Tell them you're a he/him and watch them trip over themselves to try and get it right 😂

Greenclock123 · 01/08/2025 09:57

Lemniscate8 · 01/08/2025 09:49

I voted YABU because you are answering!

"I don't subscribe to that particular right wing political ideology" is my normal answer.

"I don't think anyone has any right to attempt to control what is said about them when they are not there" if I am pushed

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Just to be clear, it is left wing stuff this!

MimiGC · 01/08/2025 09:57

Like you, I work in an environment where people are encouraged to share their pronouns (though not at every meeting, that sounds extreme). I’ve never done it and never will. I just ignore encouragement to add pronouns to written documents and if people are verbally adding their pronouns to their names when introducing themselves in a meeting, I just don’t do it, I just say my name. In years, no one had ever challenged me.

Wintershealing · 01/08/2025 09:57

I'd say "well I have a vagina". Surely that answers itself or you'd hope it does.

GabriellaMontez · 01/08/2025 09:55

Why are you continuing to engage with this? Especially at a bbq!

"I prefer not to discuss my pronouns "
"That's personal"
"I don't have any"
"Use whichever you prefer, I dont mind"
"My pronouns match my sex"
"Im not sure but you can use sex based ones today, no ones ever got it wrong"

Depending on how brave you're feeling.

Xiaoxiong · 01/08/2025 09:55

I'd tell whoever it is at your workplace that requiring routine and public pronoun disclosure goes against Yogyakarta Principle 6, which says "The right to privacy ordinarily includes the choice to disclose or not to disclose information relating to one’s sexual orientation or gender identity, as well as decisions and choices regarding both one’s own body and consensual sexual and other relations with others."

Undertaking F of principle 6 says that states (and by extension, organisations subject to the laws of those states) should "ensure the right of all persons ordinarily to choose when, to whom and how to disclose information pertaining to their sexual orientation or gender identity, and protect all persons from arbitrary or unwanted disclosure, or threat of disclosure of such information by others."

If pronouns are routinely required to be disclosed in public, like at the beginning of meetings in a way that makes it difficult or othering not to disclose, it doesn't make it easier on trans people if they do not want to be outed, or are still in stealth. You can really lay it on thick about a poor trans person in those situations who may not feel safe to disclose, ready to come out of stealth, or alternatively forced to state pronouns that they don't identify with solely because they are forced to do so etc etc etc.

The side effect hopefully will be that you are also not required to state your own pronouns, if nobody else is.

Venalopolos · 01/08/2025 09:55

MustardGlass · 01/08/2025 09:53

My parents gave me an androgynous name so that I wouldn’t be unfairly discriminated against because I’m a woman before people met me. I get offended people thinking I must present my pronouns in a work setting.

ALSO THIS. All the girls names on our list for a future DD meet that criteria, so she’s not dismissed over email or via CV before anyone meets her. Making a woman state she’s female in every correspondence is oppressive.

IsawwhatIsaw · 01/08/2025 09:54

We had this at my charity workplace, asked to add pronouns as part of email signatures.
no one did except the initiator. It

MustardGlass · 01/08/2025 09:53

My parents gave me an androgynous name so that I wouldn’t be unfairly discriminated against because I’m a woman before people met me. I get offended people thinking I must present my pronouns in a work setting.