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to think killing off the local branch structure will kill off the Samaritans

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Lemniscate8 · 01/08/2025 08:50

The Samaritans have 20 000 volunteers who answer the phone day and night. They are organised into local branches, where they can receive face to face visitors, run recruitment and ongoing training, base local fundraising efforts, and host visiting Samaritans sleeping on the floor to man big events such as festivals and demonstrations, as well as respond to local tragedies. Calls are taken in small sound proofed operations rooms where 3-4 Samaritans take a shift together. They will likely know each other well, and can supervise and support each other. In many cases, the local branches own their own building.

The COO sitting on a salary of 110k, and their team of 300 paid employees have come up with a plan to "rationalise" the service, closing small local branches where every one knows each other and shifts are designed around what fits in with the local cohort, and opening a small number of large ware house type call centres, meaning volunteers would have a long way to travel, would not know who they were working with, and would have no input into setting up shift times that fit in with their lives.

There will also be the option of working from home, without benefit of sound proofing, no guarantee of not being overheard, without peer support or supervision, and with the potential of taking deeply emotional and distressing calls, or even sexually abusive calls from your personal safe place.

I know the Samaritans doesn't work for everybody, but they help hundreds of thousands of people. In the end, it is only one person trying to support another, and there are times when with the best will in the world they just wont click. Most callers report feeling better after a call though. I don't think there is another organisation like it, and it has been there and been helpful for decades.

My daughter has been a volunteer for nearly 10 years, no way could she work from home, it would be completely inappropriate, she doesn't drive for medical reasons and is unlikely to be able to get to a big city call centre. And she and two friends have for years manned a shift set up specifically for them, timed perfectly for morning drop off at the local primary school and a walk back to the branch

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2l23ylv46o

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Digdongdoo · 01/08/2025 19:35

Valeriekat · 01/08/2025 19:24

The point is they are not making or selling anything nor do they have to fund shareholders or grow a business.

No but they have other targets to meet and stakeholders to satisfy. It's not necessarily an easier job, and a £110k salary would be several rungs below COO in a profit making business. Relevant skills and time cost money and the right person is a good investment.

Jumpthewaves · 01/08/2025 19:30

Valeriekat · 01/08/2025 19:24

The point is they are not making or selling anything nor do they have to fund shareholders or grow a business.

That doesn't make a difference, if it isn't properly paid you won't have someone capable doing the job.

Valeriekat · 01/08/2025 19:24

Jumpthewaves · 01/08/2025 09:12

No, I live in a poor, rural area. However, 110k for a coo is not enormous anywhere.

The point is they are not making or selling anything nor do they have to fund shareholders or grow a business.

Lemniscate8 · 01/08/2025 15:23

CrinkleBeetr00t · 01/08/2025 14:09

Some people do not like change

I respect the volunteers & I volunteer myself for various local groups

However, there must be a valid reason for the changes

Perhaps it is to monitor the numbers of incoming calls/online chat more easily ?

It is not going to make any difference to monitoring numbers at all, that all happens automatically anyway

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Fffreeeeezing · 01/08/2025 15:23

Oh thank goodness I've been waiting for Sams to join the 21st century! I was a volunteer and am currently on hiatus due to the fact I can't get to the centre for shifts due to pet commitments. I would love to take calls from home. My branch is one of the smaller ones and it's like stepping back in time, and as for noise cancelling headphones, as if, most of the volunteers use a handset because they don't know how to work headsets, the age demographic is very high and they are very against change of any kind, these plans would literally blow their minds.
Hopefully it won't be too long until I can restart shifts from the comfort of my sofa, I've missed my shifts

CrinkleBeetr00t · 01/08/2025 14:09

Some people do not like change

I respect the volunteers & I volunteer myself for various local groups

However, there must be a valid reason for the changes

Perhaps it is to monitor the numbers of incoming calls/online chat more easily ?

itsnotgreatisit · 01/08/2025 13:26

My mum was a volunteer for years after retiring. Part of the enjoyment was getting to know the other volunteers. I think if it moved to larger hubs, she would have lost out on the friendship aspect and wouldn’t have enjoyed it as much. She kept going for as long as possible but eventjallh dementia meant she had to stop.

Isitreallysohard · 01/08/2025 13:20

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 01/08/2025 13:12

What an offensive post.

Did you read what it was in response to? That was offensive

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 01/08/2025 13:12

Isitreallysohard · 01/08/2025 12:30

Gosh these ignorant comments really bother me. Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Maybe this is a high salary to you because you fit in that category but it's really not for a COO. It's not a race to the bottom, especially when lives are at stake. Shame on you!!

What an offensive post.

ShesTheAlbatross · 01/08/2025 13:10

RampantIvy · 01/08/2025 09:54

Working (volunteering) from home would cut out the background noise of other calls.

I would have thought they all wore noise cancelling headsets, which would solve that issue.

I'm clearly out of touch about CEO salaries. Nearly all of my friends are retired though, so I have no idea.

For context, the CEO of the NSPCC earns £195k, and the CEO of save the children UK earns £143k.

A business, rather than a charity, with similar income/revenue, assets etc, would probably pay their CEO more. Although it is hard to make a direct comparison obviously.

LlynTegid · 01/08/2025 12:49

Whenever a business location is moved, you tend to lose people, never mind anywhere that has volunteers. I am sure the Samaritans will lose a lot of people, and therefore be able to help fewer people than they do now.

Yes volunteering at home will work for some, also agree about the use of a chat facility (not just preference but also you can avoid being overheard), though that will not help avoid a reduced service.

Isitreallysohard · 01/08/2025 12:45

Thecatandme · 01/08/2025 12:41

I duty lead one of our shifts where we use online chat

It’s very effective. As a PP said some people don’t like the phone and we find younger people - in particular- quite often prefer it

OK that makes sense. I was thinking of one of those chatbots that's basically useless

Tiredofwhataboutery · 01/08/2025 12:42

Digdongdoo · 01/08/2025 12:12

Microphone technology is pretty good these days and plenty of people have quiet homes.

I often do teams calls with noisy children in another room. The microphone automatically removes background noise it’s great if you are working from a cafe etc.

Thecatandme · 01/08/2025 12:41

Isitreallysohard · 01/08/2025 12:31

Yes, because you know how effective an online chat service is when you have an issue. May as well not bother.

I duty lead one of our shifts where we use online chat

It’s very effective. As a PP said some people don’t like the phone and we find younger people - in particular- quite often prefer it

CrinkleBeetr00t · 01/08/2025 12:40

I have worked with UK & offshore people using online chat in a very responsible job, which was over multiple locations.

As I said other industries are bringing in the use of on line chat.

Further cost cutting would be to off shore to a cheaper economy

CrinkleBeetr00t · 01/08/2025 12:35

Some people do not like talking on the phone

On line chat would provide a method of communication for those people or those that could not get through on the phone

Isitreallysohard · 01/08/2025 12:31

CrinkleBeetr00t · 01/08/2025 12:22

Lots of companies/ Government agencies are also bringing in on line chat services too.

Paying for bigger hub sites, instead of paying for small buildings makes sense.

WFH would not suit everyone

Yes, because you know how effective an online chat service is when you have an issue. May as well not bother.

Isitreallysohard · 01/08/2025 12:30

RampantIvy · 01/08/2025 09:11

to be fair that isn't enormous these days

It is. It really is. £110k goes a long way round here. Do you live in London?

Gosh these ignorant comments really bother me. Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Maybe this is a high salary to you because you fit in that category but it's really not for a COO. It's not a race to the bottom, especially when lives are at stake. Shame on you!!

CrinkleBeetr00t · 01/08/2025 12:22

Lots of companies/ Government agencies are also bringing in on line chat services too.

Paying for bigger hub sites, instead of paying for small buildings makes sense.

WFH would not suit everyone

Digdongdoo · 01/08/2025 12:12

Lemniscate8 · 01/08/2025 11:47

I cant see how noise cancelling headsets would solve any issue of noise entering a microphone in a branch or at home? would it?

Microphone technology is pretty good these days and plenty of people have quiet homes.

CloverPyramid · 01/08/2025 11:56

One of the reasons I couldn’t volunteer was because I couldn’t guarantee I could attend an in-person unsociable hours shift every week due to the location they wanted me to attend. Working from home would solve that.

And for me personally, working at a bigger hub appeals more than a smaller one (I’ve found very small organisations to be very cliquey in the past). So while the organisation might lose existing volunteers, it might well gain plenty like me.

A lot of people work from home these days (or have spouses who do) and thus are set up to take confidential calls in a private space in their home. You talk about “home space” being invaded by unpleasant calls, but a lot of people just wouldn’t be bothered by that, or consider their home office a separate space from the rest of their home anyway.

Lemniscate8 · 01/08/2025 11:47

RampantIvy · 01/08/2025 09:54

Working (volunteering) from home would cut out the background noise of other calls.

I would have thought they all wore noise cancelling headsets, which would solve that issue.

I'm clearly out of touch about CEO salaries. Nearly all of my friends are retired though, so I have no idea.

I cant see how noise cancelling headsets would solve any issue of noise entering a microphone in a branch or at home? would it?

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CrepuscularCritter · 01/08/2025 10:38

The organisation does have experience with volunteers on shift at home. It existed in rural areas in the 1980s, when calls were patched through to someone on night duty. So Sams volunteering at that time may have been able to provide thoughts on their experiences.

The big period of change following the central single number implementation caused some concern among volunteers. But for places like the busiest branch, it did mean that volunteers had time for a loo visit and maybe even to get a coffee during a 4 hour shift.

I can see why there is a need to change again. Some volunteers won't want (or be able to accommodate) the change. Others may find it much easier to fit into their lives.

Thecatandme · 01/08/2025 10:04

Am a Sam too

I work from home to the extent that I am a duty leader as well as a listener. That means being available for those taking calls in the branch if they need support, advice, help etc

But all listening in our branch is done at the centre.

Personally, I'd be happy to take calls at home and have told my director that I would like to be part of any trial. I do live by myself and am usually in in the evenings. I'm also rarely impacted by calls. But that would be part of hybrid working as I like the camaraderie and human contact of being in branch.

I get that it's not for everybody but can't see the problem of having it as an option. It would certainly increase my listening hours

If our branch was closed I'd leave Samaritans. I don't drive and it's a reasonably long journey. I'm out of the house for seven hours on my volunteering day. I wouldn't want anything any longer and I like the local branch set up

Having said all that we do have to recognise we are missing a lot of calls and the status quo isn't viable. We have to be open minded about options but I'm not sure Central Office have handled this very well. They seemed unprepared for the press coverage

ETA

Good article here

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/29/samaritans-branch-closures-working-from-home?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Digdongdoo · 01/08/2025 09:58

Lemniscate8 · 01/08/2025 09:34

Its not specific to my daughter, it is her whole cohort. Nothing wrong with giving the option of working from home, but it won't work for the majority - as I said, it is already an option that almost no one takes, because it doesn't work for them. Their building isn't rented, it is free. Their bills aren't obviously, but why would it be cheaper in a huge city warehouse?

But your daughter and her cohort aren't necessarily representative of every volunteer or potential volunteer. I'd imagine large city hubs and home working will attract a whole new group and a streamlined system will be far more efficient.
The COO will be privy to vast amounts of information that a volunteers mum can't possibly begin to understand. It's why they get the massive salary. I'm sure they have weighed it all up.
Third sector is rarely perfect, and I don't know vast amounts about the Samaritans specifically, but efficiency is often a case of do or die.