Nurses pay rise

That's a false equivalence. Nurse's pay is completely unrelated to salaries in the care sector.

Nurses are underpaid when you take into account their hours, the skillset needed and levels of responsibility.

Don't let that stop you talking bollocks though.

Most nurses work hard and deserve a payrise.
Most carers work hard and deserve a payrise.
It doesn't have to be just one or the other

Senior Carers in residential homes can be overseeing 30+ residents and a team of carers with no qualified nurse as they're residential - don't underestimate their responsibility.

Nurses are not a homogenous mass, and not all work in hospitals under Agenda for Change.

Some of us don’t get much if any sick pay, we pay 8-10% into our pensions monthly, we pay professional fees of £120 per year just to work as well as potentially parking costs etc.

Carers are woefully underpaid and generally poorly treated. But nurses don’t have it so good either. 3.6% is better than nothing but we have had below inflation pay rises for years so we’re still no better off in real terms. And we’re not even sure if we’ll get that if we don’t work in a trust…

It's a poor effort. I would give it a 3 out of 10? It was a mistake not going in more on their laziness and stupidity. Bonus points for some random story where an elderly family member was let down or neglected by a nurse

But, again, explain the it's not worth going off sick. If there's a choice as to whether or not it's worth it, then you're not too ill to work.

Taking sick leave isn't about whether or not it's worth it.It's about whether or not you need to.

It’s not the return to work that’s the problem it’s the threats and the guilt tripping. This is why it’s not worth going off sick, you spend most of the time off worrying what faces you when you go back.

The NHS is toxic, bullying is rife, it’s not a nice place to work!

NHS nurses are considerably underpaid! For the level of responsibility they have and the requirement for degree level study, band 6's should be on at least £10-20k more!

However non clinical NHS staff are not underpaid. Admin staff are paid very well with good benefits. The system needs updating to distinguish between clinical and non clinical roles and pay them accordingly.

As a well banded administrative member of the NHS I didn't even think I needed a payrise. I'm paid exceptionally well for the role I do. But clinical staff are not and I can very much appreciate that.

I love all the benefits we get! Sick pay is a benefit but god forbid you use it, we get guilt tripped, eye rolls, huffs down the phone if we dare and no one believes you! Then the return to work conversation the threat of being put on a warning - it’s really not worth it!

But that is standard in any job. We get a return to work meeting if we have one day sick, leave.

Nurses aren't singled out and in receipt of special punishment for being sick.
Most employers aren't ok with their employees going off sick.

Also I don't understand the comment, it's not worth taking sick leave. Taking sick leave isn't about whether or not it's worth it - if you are too sick to work, you re too sick to work. If you are well enough to say, I d better not use my sick leave It's not worth it, then you are well enough to work.

It's a bizarre thing to say that it's not worth using it.

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Just curious , what's your degree in that is so superior.

I’m an NHS nurse of 36 years. Do not get great sick pay, mat leave, holiday pay. It’s quite poor actually. We’re not all on Agenda for Change terms and conditions. Far from it.

I love all the benefits we get! Sick pay is a benefit but god forbid you use it, we get guilt tripped, eye rolls, huffs down the phone if we dare and no one believes you! Then the return to work conversation the threat of being put on a warning - it’s really not worth it!

The expenses I use my car 5 days a week business insurance, all the equipment, I’m lucky if I get £1.25 a day back in mileage.

NMC fees, student loans, petrol, parking charges, all come out when I’m working. I don’t get paid for missed breaks or getting off late.

CPD done in my own time because I haven’t got time in my day job, revalidation and proving my worth every 3 years. The constant fear in instilled in you at uni that you could end up before the NMC or worse the coroner!

The emotional toll of carrying some of the worst things humans can do to each other and worse children then plastering a smile on and going to the next patient pretending you haven’t just witnessed the death of a baby or someone lose their entire bloody volume in front of you.

looking after 42 woman and babies, some on IVs most having observations, many post op patients - usually with no HCA and one other HCP on the ward.

wondering when you close your eyes after a shift if you still have the drug cupboard keys in your pocket or did you pod bed 10’s bloods amongst a million other things!

yes carers deserve better conditions and benefits and pay, but so do nurses and midwives!

I'm a midwife, not a nurse, but we're on the same payscales with similar levels of responsibility, risk of losing your PIN, working conditions etc. I can't believe the disrespectful shit that's being spouted about carers on this thread. The OP was rude and goody, but clearly coming from a place of feeling resentful that carers are always, always overlooked in discussions about pay for HCPs. They are an absolutely crucial part of the healthcare machine in this country, and - like pretty much all HCPs - their pay falls outrageously short of reflecting how hard they work and how much society relies upon them.
3.6% is not a good enough offer for the nurses.
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Carers play an essential role in our society; they shouldn't all "just become nurses then", any more than nurses/midwives should all "just become doctors then" if we're unhappy or resentful about our pay and conditions. And they should absolutely be earning more - but there's nothing nurses can do about that.

Lol at the nurses saying they have a degree
Who doesn't have a degree these days

I got a two percent payrise.

Think the public sector is bad move into private we're often there are no pay rises and no public sector pension good generous holiday or sick pay either.

We can alll say we haven't been paid enough, but then it just becomes a race to the bottom.

Don't get me started on the doctor's strike or the consultants.

When Brown brought us slap bang into the European average, productivity declined - and the onky discernible change was a massive pay rise for NHS staff. (Also “chronically and historically underpaid” according to them).

You could cram the entire GDP into the maw of the NHS and it would still demand more and screech about underfunding - even (as now) with the consultants’ car park full of Jags and Mercs.

The NHS doesn’t even do irony well.

They are health care assistants. They work in all sorts of roles.Take obs, assist in procedures. Definitely not the same as a carer.

Plus anecdotal evidence shows they are not caring, they sit at the desk not snowed under

Having been unfortunate enough to have had 2 hospital stays of a couple weeks each time a few years ago id totally disagree. The only time I saw nurses sitting around was the middle of the night when everyone was asleep.

During the day they never stopped. They were on the go all day & doing a job i know i couldn't do.

If your pay rise isnt enough, do something about it. We've just been offered a 2 year pay deal and straight away were getting oh thats not as much as x or y. But as someone pointed out, thats irrelevant, we need to get our payrise agreed for what suits us not for what another incomparable profession is getting

What about the HCA working in hospitals. They are carers

I see that you still haven't been back op to explain why, if its so easy, you have been too lazy to train to be a nurse?!!

You are so clearly jealous of nurses, join them.

Too much paperwork and no time for the patients it seems.

What used to annoy me during a month long stay at the hospital were the nurses chatting and laughing at the desk all night and patients call bells going ananswered

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So you do not have the qualifications or the responsibility a nurse has? So you see a snapshot of the responsibility make a judgement without any real idea?
Are you aware nurses are a degree profession and specialist nurse often have master's degrees? They can often prescribe and plan care complete complex procedures and deal with complex situations. Have to take on safeguarding caseloads and deal with all the grief, upset, angry and dangerous people as the frontline? As a carer you can direct the angry relative straight to the sister! They then have to deal with it!
They are actually underpaid for level of education and responsibilities.
So sitting at the desk dealing with the admin side is unacceptable to you? Do you do complex calculations at 3am in emergency situations for medication/infusions on tiny babies, critically ill patients ect ? Or would that be the doctor's and nurses sitting at that desk separately doing those calculations to ensure that is accurate and safe. I guess a quick glance does see them drinking a coffee whilst trying to calmly work out those calculations?
Yes carers should be paid more also. But you are not helping yourself by complaining about nurses or doctors!

I’m at risk of a pressure sore from all the sitting around I do, I do think we should be compensated for having to speak up over the sound of buzzers, especially the arrest one, it’s hard on the ears trying to Ignore that one!!

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Being a carer is not remotely comparable to being a registered nurse 🤦🏽‍♀️