Nurses pay rise

It's the impression it gives, sometimes you don't have to actually say something to mean it. One post even has a little tune to sing to. But I'm just an onlooker anyway.

Nobody has said carers are rubbish, they have said it’s not the same. Which objectively it is not. A carer is more closely aligned with a healthcare assistant role.

But where? Where in this thread are the RGNs calling carers rubbish? I flicked back through and see not one.

I am a nurse, I’m really proud to be a nurse and I’m proud to work alongside HCAs/carers. Perhaps you having no experience in the field explains your misunderstanding.

I’m sorry but it’s not a bit similar. Being a healthcare assistant maybe, but not a nurse.

You may laugh but that is how it comes across, though you obviously don't see it, being a nurse

Trouble with this example here. The nurses often aren't getting paid that much more than a HCA doing overtime. Until the healthcare sector can join forces and learn that carers,HCA and RNs are a team there will be no change unfortunately.

It's the same old I've got a degree ect but the bleak reality is, so have many and they do less work responsibility wise and get paid much more.

Utter rubbish. Not one post says carers are rubbish at all. Highlighting the vast difference between the roles absolutely, but not one RGN would ever describe carers/HCAs as rubbish. We would never manage our jobs without HCAs, as they wouldn’t manage theirs without RGNs.

What a joke of a post 😂

I've been a senior carer in residential and nursing and so I've worked alongside nurses, and I think you're being unreasonable.
Carers perform a different function to nurses, they are allied but carers deliver social care and nurses medical, which is why nurses need 3 years training and continued cpd, and to pay for registration.
I think they deserve wages that reflect that, and nurses getting a pay rise doesn't mean carers shouldn't - but even if they don't get it, that doesn't mean carers will.

I do get how you feel a bit, but carers being poorly paid and treated badly does not mean nurses don't deserve a pay rise. We should be working towards better pay and conditions for both.

Being honest, some of the worst attitudes I've encountered towards me 'professionally' have been from nurses, who have been scathing at times - I don't think I'm a nurse, I don't pretend to be, my role is different, I understand that perfectly. I've been told I'm only a carer because I'm too thick to be a nurse and other insults.

But it's like comparing a taxi driver to a pilot, allied and similar as in they're both transporting people, and you might need to use the services of both. They're both needed, both roles should be respected, both are valid, but you need a lot more training to be a pilot than a taxi driver, so the pilot gets paid more.

@Greenfood why don't you join the NHS? What's stopping you?

I think the issue is that traditionally nurses used to physically look after their patients. with plenty of interaction. Most of what you have written above isn't DIRECTLY involved with the patient

@solando i mean, as a nurse, I’ve been told I’m not bright enough to get a real degree, told I sit around doing nothing, told that I’m not a professional…it goes on. It’s understandable to be defensive and protective of the career I’ve built. That doesn’t mean I’m ’up myself’.

OP here is a list of what is expected from me as a Registered Nurse in a care home
Ensure that all care plans / risk assessments/ audits are up to date .
Administer all meds as prescribed
Order all monthly meds
Count and check all meds every time a med is administered
Assess the safety of every resident I administer meds to
Record every reason why a resident does not take medication
Liaise with Dr, Relatives and supernumerary team with every aspect of change
Literally record in writing every discussion regarding resident whether that is relatives,HCPs etc
Take bloods
Organise transport/ OPAs ,Escort,risk assessment
Regular FNC ,report to safeguarding if there is a problem ie resident safety
Regular training for EOL care ,liaising with funeral services
Ensuring all residents have signed consent forms for every interaction we have with them …and so it goes on .
We are accountable for every aspect of the residents care .We ultimately would lose our PIN if we were not as vigilant as we are .
Carers deserve to be paid a lot more than they are ,absolutely no denying that but Nurses deserve to be paid a lot more as well !

Read the thread and just think what sort of impression it's making, it's all I'm better than you, I can do this, carers are rubbish, I'm not a carer or nurse and that is how it comes across.

Actually not all nurses did either.The ones that did their degree pre 2017 got a bursary

This is so sad, what makes you say things like this?

I never said I was comparable to a doctor. But I am qualified enough to assess, diagnose, treat, review and monitor with my degrees.

And as a non medical prescriber I can prescribe pretty much anything except methadone. There certainly are not “severe restrictions” on what I can do.

Are all nurses so up themselves as the ones on this thread, it's quite off putting

As the song goes... 🎵one of these things is not like the other🎵 you won't do... controlled drugs, wet wounds.... ivs, subcutaneous meds..

You’re very wrong. ACP’s can prescribe anything they like, they work the same as the doctors and answer to consultants. Essentially a ‘cheap’ doctor.

The public really have no idea how far nursing has come in 20 years.

@OneNeatBlueOrca a nurse prescriber is able to prescribe anything without any oversight. They’re fully qualified prescribers with their own prescription pads. At my work there’s no difference between the NMPs and the doctors, lots of people don’t know who is what as they all do the same job so they’re all just called “prescribers”.

How incredibly sad this thread is. Carers and nurses at loggerheads about money and responsibility. This was an eye opener for me.

FWIW I am a sister on critical care with 20 years experience, more courses/letters after my name than I care to remember. My DH runs a restaurant, has never stepped foot in a college or uni, has a reasonable amount of responsibility. Earns 20k a year more than me. Same pension and sick pay. Has private healthcare, substantial discounts and death in service.

It’s no secret what nurses earn- you can check before you train, if you’re in it for the cash forget it. I love my job, I honestly enjoy (almost!) every shift. I wish the responsibility and emotional/physical strain was recognised with monetary reward, but it’s not.

I would never strike, neither would the vast majority of my colleagues.

Prescribe what.

There are severe restrictions to what you can do and rightly so. It's disenous to suggest that your role is equivalent to that of a doctor.

@Middlechild3 so what do you do? You’re either a disgruntled doctor with a chip on their shoulder that they’re not so important anymore or an old nurse who thinks new nurses should ‘know their place’ 😂

Yeah not any more. It’s highly competitive course and whilst UCAS points aren’t terribly high most unis want BBC/BCC. So hardly “anyone gets accepted on the course”.

And evidence has shown that areas staffed with degree educated nurses have better patient outcomes and lower mortality rates. It wasn’t a manufactured degree, (whatever that is) it was driven by the change in modern nursing requiring nurses to be educated and trained to a higher standard.

Not sure if you’ve noticed but we’re not doctors handmaidens any more! We can assess, diagnose, treat, monitor and prescribe…

They more than deserve every penny they can get. I couldn’t do their job.