To use sun cream?

Tallow is not an spf, what happens when you put lard or oil on your skin then go in the sun? You sizzle

this is dangerous advice!

Caroline Hirons, the the celebrity beautician and skincare influencer, did a very good story on IG last night advocating responsible suncare and refuting pretty much everything Sam Faiers says. Definitely worth a look.

Just get the list of ingredients from your suncream and look them all up, that will tell you why she chooses not to use it.

if you ask people who have developed skin cancer they’ll usually say their biggest regret is not wearing sunscreen. I’d stick to taking medical advice from reliable sources because these influencers don’t know a thing and spot what ever rubbish will get them views

Oh no, don’t misunderstand me - I think a wide brimmed hat and sun cream is the best option, as keeping out of the sun is the best protection.

I’m on my phone so can’t find the actual study but this article references it (it looks like it’s sunglasses that are the issue, not hats too so I’ve misremembered/it was misrepresented when I heard about it) https://lizearlewellbeing.com/read/health/longevity/do-sunglasses-harm-health/

But my point was more about how studies can be twisted to support the conspiracy. I’m absolutely not ditching my hat, sunglasses or SPF, and I’m not advocating anyone should!

Yeah I’ve seen this trend on tik tok !! Absolutely insane and down right dangerous !
use your suncream but it’s best to cover up wear hat and stay in the shade any kind of tan is damaged skin ! And it’s very ageing x

Here's my story, for anyone interested. I have had 30+ non malignant moles removed from my body, including 10 on my face. This is because when pregnant, they grew quickly and became a huge problem, catching on clothes then bleeding. After pregnancy, the remain much bigger and would grow again at the next.

I am old enough that sunscreen wasn't around when I was a child, and every year I suffered horrendous sunburn because I have very fair skin and blue eyes. It used to irritate my parents because they had far better sun tolerance and thought that I was "too pale". I was always being sent to play in the sun.

As I had medical insurance at the time, removal was all done privately (in batches of 10 with local anaesthetics and stitches), but my initial appointment was a lengthy consultation with a consultant dermatologist. He identified correctly, that as a child I wore a seersucker swimming costume - we all did in those days. Every one of the moles was in an area exposed by the costume.

He told me that moles are hereditary and develop when a baby is in utero. Most of us have them. It is only sun exposure that makes them grow and become visible, although pregnancy and the associated increased blood supply can make existing moles grow too. (My children are now in their 30s. I always used factor 50 on them and covered them up in the sun too. Tshirts/wetsuits when swimming. They do not have moles and have few freckles.

Freckles, as most of us know, are a sign of sun damage which can be observed on children. When I saw the Dr, I was plastered in them, particularly my face. You could hardly put a pin between them. Since I became diligent about factor 50 suncream on my face, they have faded considerably. They are hardly noticeable but are still there.

Sun damage is far more than skin cancer. UVA rays don't burn the skin, but damage the skin as badly as the burning UVB rays. Sun related aging skin is real, as are sun related cataracts.

Please everyone, protect your children's delicate skin from the sun. Normalise covering up and playing in the shade. Use high factor sunscreen on them, particularly in the summer months and before they go to school in the morning. Yes, they hate it, but they will thank you when they are older.

I saw a post from a Dr earlier who broke down the ingredients of the collagen she flogs and it’s full of toxins. She and her gormless sister are morons.

It's crazy.

Sam Faiers. Her children are gorgeous but her son already looks like David Dickinson.
Is it part of the Davina Taylor bio-hacking trend? She is close to my age and is really suntanned all year round. I appreciate she’s made huge strides with her health, but baking in the sun is just daft.
I think it’s odd with Sam - she clearly spends a fortune on her skin so I’m not sure why she’d recommend this. And oddly enough back in the day I was part of a team (with a top dermatologist) and she was the face of our anti skin cancer campaign! It was all about wearing SPF.
The irony…..

https://drjuliansass.com/sunscreen-database/

This guy has a great database where you can filter for exactly what you want from a sunscreen. I’ve used it quite a bit and his recommendations are very good.
Im ginger and only ever use 5 star spf 50 on me and my kids.

Thick as pigshit and so are you if you’re paying any attention at all to her views. I despair.

No. It is to protect the skin from harmful UV rays and that’s not just about burning.

Also - UVA can harm skin even on cloudy days so that whole bit about “not being in the sun long enough” is nonsense. A friend got badly burnt two weeks ago on a very overcast day climbing a mountain in Scotland.

waiting until you think you’ve been in the sun long enough is lunacy and I find it really depressing that we see so many burnt eejits across the UK during summer in a way you just don’t see (to the same extent) overseas.

I am equally obsessed with ensuring my kids get the right sun exposure for vitamin D etc too though. It’s just about education and common sense.

sadly, when it comes to the suncare, many people lack common sense.

But sunscreen is to protect you from burning. You don’t need it if you’re not in it long enough / it’s not strong enough to burn you.

Worth bearing in mind that not all sunscreens are equal. I’ve avoided all of the most common big brand sunscreens for years because of potentially carcinogenic ingredients, however in the last year or two many of these normal brands have removed those ingredients, so are much safer to use.

Generally, I prefer to avoid anything which contains the 3 Os (octinoxate, oxybenzone and octocrylene) and also avobenzone.

it’s easy to check this simply by googling “does X sun cream contain….” And you should get the result based on published ingredient lists.

i would also avoid retinyl palmitate as it is a form of vitamin A that may increase the risk of skin cancer when applied to the skin.

etc etc. the onus is on everyone to do their own research re chemicals and make the right decision for them.

for me, yes I’m fairly obsessed with using sunscreen but I want to know which chemicals I’m putting on my kids’ skin for absorption and so I do spend time checking these things. I also wouldn’t use spray sunscreen because of the risk of ingesting it.

this is my choice but I 100% use sunscreen - I am just picky about which ones I use.

not using any sunscreen is madness in my opinion but everyone should educate themselves about this stuff.

Sam Fairs … unless she’s got a medical degree I wouldn’t take too much notice. She’s famous for being on TOWIE and having kids. Not sure who on earth would be “influenced” by her 🙄

I avoid it for much of the same reasons. I only use it if I will unavoidably be in the sun such as a bbq over lunchtime. I have a lovely tan 🤷🏻‍♀️

This.

She is right of course. Everyone who wears sun cream is dead. Including me!

Here is the problem with influencers, giving unhealthy and dangerous advise to stupid people.
These stupid people don’t even realise they pay the wages of influencers, their lifestyles and believe every word they say.
The biggest crime being that nobody is held accountable for what they say or do.
Please stop listening to these people and live your own life, rather than fund theirs.
Just think how many gullible young kids and teenagers, listening to this stupid woman are now not planning to protect themselves from the sun.
To be honest, I’m glad my kids are grown, because I’d be sueing her arse.

She’s an idiot. Another ‘health and wellness’ influencer doing more harm than good. By all means spend a few mins in the sun without lotion early morning/late afternoon to get some vit D, but as a rule we should all be wearing protection if outside in direct sunlight for longer than 10/15 mins. UV suits, hats and going inside for the hottest part is all great advice…but not a substitute for wearing sun lotion. That lovely tan that she described her children as having is not “building up tolerance”, it’s sun damage. My children tan too, in many ways it’s unavoidable. But they aren’t as tanned as her kids because they wear factor 50 all day when out in the sun.

We're a doomed.
People actually listen/live their lives according to these not very well educated dimwits.
Very worrying 😟

And yet you’re on Mumsnet (also social media).

Even more reason why I don’t engage with any SM. It’s brain cell destroying nonsense.