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To think you don’t catch a butterfly and take it round M&S

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FanofLeaves · 31/07/2025 12:32

Was just picking up a few bits in M&S and there was a girl about 8 years old or so swinging one of those butterfly net thingies off her arm. On closer inspection I saw she had one in there (not the ones you send away for, although that would be bad enough, one that had obviously been procured organically)

Her mum was busy looking at something so I said to the girl ‘oh! What a pretty butterfly. That’s a large white. I except you’re going to let it go after you’ve finished your shopping, aren’t you?’

The mum came over beaming presumably ready to hear a comment about what a fun summer holiday activity this all is, and said ‘no, we’ll take it home, keep it for a few days and observe it. It flew straight into the net so we had this ready to pop it straight into!’

‘I said ‘well I’m sure it would have been preferred to be observed in nature, where it was, not caught in a net and taken round the shops. Don’t you think it’s a bit cruel?’

Anyway she was visibly annoyed, and said ‘it’s fine. My children are learning about nature! We know what it eats!’

Anyway she steered her child away from me and said some people are just very joyless and bitter.

Yeah I know I probably sound like a busy body but I can’t bear it when parents tell their kids it’s ok to just take stuff out of nature for their own amusement. Why is it ok to do this? It’s so Victorian, to capture a creature to just look at it, no thought for the poor thing at all. Don’t get me started on why they still sell butterfly nets 😭

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peachesarenom · 02/08/2025 22:24

FanofLeaves · 31/07/2025 12:32

Was just picking up a few bits in M&S and there was a girl about 8 years old or so swinging one of those butterfly net thingies off her arm. On closer inspection I saw she had one in there (not the ones you send away for, although that would be bad enough, one that had obviously been procured organically)

Her mum was busy looking at something so I said to the girl ‘oh! What a pretty butterfly. That’s a large white. I except you’re going to let it go after you’ve finished your shopping, aren’t you?’

The mum came over beaming presumably ready to hear a comment about what a fun summer holiday activity this all is, and said ‘no, we’ll take it home, keep it for a few days and observe it. It flew straight into the net so we had this ready to pop it straight into!’

‘I said ‘well I’m sure it would have been preferred to be observed in nature, where it was, not caught in a net and taken round the shops. Don’t you think it’s a bit cruel?’

Anyway she was visibly annoyed, and said ‘it’s fine. My children are learning about nature! We know what it eats!’

Anyway she steered her child away from me and said some people are just very joyless and bitter.

Yeah I know I probably sound like a busy body but I can’t bear it when parents tell their kids it’s ok to just take stuff out of nature for their own amusement. Why is it ok to do this? It’s so Victorian, to capture a creature to just look at it, no thought for the poor thing at all. Don’t get me started on why they still sell butterfly nets 😭

I think it was incredibly cowardly of you to speak directly to the child and not approach the mother.

It is clearly the parent's responsibility and you should have taken it up with her not direct the child.

TheBerry · 02/08/2025 22:23

FanofLeaves · 31/07/2025 12:45

Ah, vegan logic. It really does hold a special place.

Im not vegan, vegetarian not that it’s relevant, but no I’m not immediately disallowed from speaking up just because I’ve not eliminated all animal products. Ironically, even though you’re the superior vegan, you admit you wouldn’t have said anything. So that’s interesting.

Edited

I’m not vegan or even vegetarian, but I get her point. I presume you wouldn’t take kindly to somebody coming up to your child and telling them they shouldn’t be eating their sausage roll.

thestudio · 02/08/2025 22:22

FanofLeaves · 31/07/2025 14:19

Well I’d agree with her 🤷🏻‍♀️ just because I eat eggs it doesn’t mean I’m clueless about chicken welfare.

But... that's even worse. You know, but you despite that you support industrial chicken factories?

Thatsnotmynamee · 02/08/2025 22:21

Horsie · 02/08/2025 20:11

OTOH, how many butterflies get taken round the shops? I bet its eyes were out on stalks looking at all the things it wanted to save up for.

This has tickled me so much 😂

Startrekkeruniverse · 02/08/2025 22:19

Good for you OP. The silly mother shouldn’t let her kid be cruel to a living creature.

Outside9 · 02/08/2025 22:16

Minding your own business is a very underrated virtue

Oaktopus · 02/08/2025 22:09

SnoopyPajamas · 02/08/2025 21:45

Every once in a while Mumsnet offers up a thread so ridiculously middle class I can't believe it's not parody.

This is one for the ages.

Agreed. I'm baffled by this thread. To me the tone of some of the posters reads as if the mum had said they were going to stick pins in the butterfly and mount it, rather than what she actually said. And I'm not a monster I promise, I rescued a couple of ladybirds from a lido last week 😁

SnugglyJumpersMakeItBetter · 02/08/2025 22:04

anotherside · 02/08/2025 21:58

But it clearly does have to do with precisely that. 😅 Why are people getting wound up about inconveniencing a butterfly when millions of highly intelligent cows and pigs are bred and raised and killed in horrible captivity in the UK every year. The supermarkets are going to get very sociable indeed if we all start commenting on that.

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People care about what they're witnesses to, especially if their intervention in the moment can make a difference to that individual creature. I mean caterpillars are sprayed with insecticide all the time and nobody seems to be campaigning about that, but if a piglet where being killed live in Tesco I should imagine there'd be uproar and mass protesting.

anotherside · 02/08/2025 21:58

OutbackQueen · 02/08/2025 21:53

What an incredible thread. I would be horrified to see a child encouraged by an idiot of a parent to capture a wild creature and take it home for their own pleasure. It shows no respect for other species.
And it has absolutely nothing to do with whether you eat meat or not.

But it clearly does have to do with precisely that. 😅 Why are people getting wound up about inconveniencing a butterfly when millions of highly intelligent cows and pigs are bred and raised and killed in horrible captivity in the UK every year. The supermarkets are going to get very sociable indeed if we all start commenting on that.

anotherside · 02/08/2025 21:55

Calendarrrrr8 · 02/08/2025 21:43

I don’t know - I reckon you probably had chicken or some other meat or dairy in your trolley.

So yes, you’re a hypocrite.

Well that’s the thing isn’t it. Was the little girl/mum planning to do something “wrong”. Yes they probably were. But was it significantly bad enough to warrant calling out? How would OP feel if people commented on the contents of her trolley?

“Oh I see you have some cow’s milk in there? But I do expect you are going to out that back before finishing up in here aren’t you?”

“Oh that’s a lovely leather coat! But I’m sure you won’t want to buy any more animal clothes in the future, will you?”

”Oh that’s a lovely car you’re travelling in with you mum! But I hope that she won’t always have such a large vehicle?”

OutbackQueen · 02/08/2025 21:53

What an incredible thread. I would be horrified to see a child encouraged by an idiot of a parent to capture a wild creature and take it home for their own pleasure. It shows no respect for other species.
And it has absolutely nothing to do with whether you eat meat or not.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 02/08/2025 21:51

I get you @FanofLeaves it's about teaching children to respect nature and leave it be. I do that with my own dc. We observe and I always tell them to stay back and not interfere or harass the animals we're looking at.

Cherrytree86 · 02/08/2025 21:50

YANBU OP, that’s child’s mother sounds dense

Wetoldyousaurus · 02/08/2025 21:47

If you eat non organic kale or broccoli, especially in summer, you’re a white butterfly murderer. The caterpillars decimate those crops if left to do their wild thing. So even our vegan probably has butterfly blood on her hands. In NZ you are visited by some type of bio police if they spot the butterfly in your street and they come and spray your brassicas for you if you don’t get rid.

All I’d say is, maybe confronting and humiliating this child in public who was showing an interest in and appreciation for nature in her own clumsy way was not the best way to get closer to the big picture of encouraging empathy for living creatures in children. I discourage capture of creatures and ask my children to think of themselves being plucked away from us by a hand in the sky at times. But I’m also aware that survival, or even just basic comfort, means being prepared to murder and control masses of other living creatures during the course of one’s life. Or paying others to do so for you. Any medicine you take exists because scientists like the little girl tested it on countless creatures like that butterfly before deeming it safe for you to take. It’s complicated.

RisingSunn · 02/08/2025 21:47

I agree with leaving animals be - but I don't agree with walking up to and lecturing other people's children in a supermarket. You speak to the adult - if you are so concerned.

I definitely wouldn't just stand there listening to OP lecture my child.

SnoopyPajamas · 02/08/2025 21:45

Every once in a while Mumsnet offers up a thread so ridiculously middle class I can't believe it's not parody.

This is one for the ages.

Calendarrrrr8 · 02/08/2025 21:43

FanofLeaves · 31/07/2025 12:41

Not being vegan doesn’t mean you are immediately excluded from caring about all life species, there would be a tiny minority of people to stand up for nature if that was the case so it would be bloody counter productive. A bit stupid really.

Edited

I don’t know - I reckon you probably had chicken or some other meat or dairy in your trolley.

So yes, you’re a hypocrite.

JackGrealishsBobbySocks · 02/08/2025 21:41

Amazing the story of the little rescued peacock butterfly who lived with the poster and her daughter for seven months. What a miracle.

thismummyslife · 02/08/2025 21:32

I wouldn’t allow my daughter to do this, she would be happy observing in nature for a fleeting second before it busily flies away safe in the knowledge that it’s safe and unharmed. You have to teach children these things.

Sunshineandrainbows23 · 02/08/2025 21:27

It's called sarcasm.

Mugsey62 · 02/08/2025 21:27

Sunshineandrainbows23 · 02/08/2025 21:24

My apologies. OK. Most of us are hypocritical about something or other if we are truly honest with ourselves, and look deep enough. I hadn't realised there were some perfect people on the planet. You are clearly a much better human being than me.

Again, why are you making assumptions about me?

Sunshineandrainbows23 · 02/08/2025 21:24

Mugsey62 · 02/08/2025 21:06

You speak for yourself. You nothing about me. Why do you think I am hypocritical?

My apologies. OK. Most of us are hypocritical about something or other if we are truly honest with ourselves, and look deep enough. I hadn't realised there were some perfect people on the planet. You are clearly a much better human being than me.

Mugsey62 · 02/08/2025 21:23

ThatDaringEagle · 02/08/2025 21:13

I dunno, but I was on a fabulous guided nature walk with my 4 yo daughter yesterday around some sand dunes in Kerry, in Ireland. The guide, who was really excellent, found a particular type of caterpillar, who eats a certain type of plant, which I can't recall the name, which allows this particular caterpillar to metabolise a type of cyanide , which potential predators sense (or intuitively know) so they don't predate on that caterpillar, or the very colourful butterfly that eventually evolve into.

These butterflies live for 1 yearv according to the guide, but amazingly migrate to the Mediterranean the first year from Kerry, then the next 'generation' of these butterflies migrate to Africa from the Med the next year, and finally the 3rd generation migrate 'back' from Africa to Ireland ~ 3 years after the original bunch. They fly in formation across the oceans apparently too. Mad!!

I found the whole life cycle & migration cycles spanning through different generations & continents absolutely fascinating tbh.

I'd never have harmed a caterpillar or butterfly already if I could help it. But now I realise they are amazing servants to and beautiful examples of nature imho.

P.s. guide also maintained that 50% of (assumedly insect assisted) pollination was carried out by moths & butterflies. So they ain't just pretty things, but also pretty damn useful.

(Rather like a non feminist , pretty woman tbh ;) )

Edited

You aren't a fan of feministic women?

Mugsey62 · 02/08/2025 21:17

Cocolebombom · 02/08/2025 21:01

Oh do shut up. She wasn't rude and you sound like a wet eyelash that gets offended by their own vagina.

Are you related to Eric Cantona?

Mugsey62 · 02/08/2025 21:16

JorgyPorgy · 02/08/2025 19:41

It’s not hypocritical at all.
are chickens in decline?! No!
Now that butterfly won’t get a chance to lay eggs

Large Whites are also not in decline.

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