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Why are the Arab countries tougher on Hamas than we are in the UK?

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Helpins · 30/07/2025 08:00

https://nypost.com/2025/07/29/world-news/qatar-saudi-arabia-egypt-join-calls-for-hamas-to-disarm-and-exit-gaza-to-end-war-with-israel/

Qatar, Saudi and Egypt are putting increasing pressure on Hamas to disarm and accept a ceasefire to end the war.

Meanwhile Starmer is giving Hamas exactly what they want, to be recognised with a state. Why is the UK so weak? Where are our sanctions or pressure on Hamas? Why is it down to the Arab states only to actually try to fix this mess by removing Hamas?

Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt join calls for Hamas to disarm and exit Gaza to end war with Israel

Arab nations — including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Egypt — joined calls Tuesday for Hamas to disarm and give up its grip on Gaza to end the 21-month war.

https://nypost.com/2025/07/29/world-news/qatar-saudi-arabia-egypt-join-calls-for-hamas-to-disarm-and-exit-gaza-to-end-war-with-israel/

OP posts:
sunsetbridges · 30/07/2025 09:11

randomchap · 30/07/2025 08:06

Starmer isn't recognising Hamas as a state, he is recognising Palestine.

Frankly if you can't see the difference then you shouldn't be commenting

randomchap has spoken @Helpins don't comment with your opinion.

ruffler45 · 30/07/2025 09:11

None of this would be happening in Hamas were not around as they have the people terrorised in its severest form
Question is where does Hamas get it's money from, I guess Starmer and the rest of the world leaders know already.

Helpins · 30/07/2025 09:07

The Arab states are directly calling on Hamas to disarm and relinquish control in Gaza.

The UK have mentioned disarmament, but are not directly calling for Hamas to relinquish control.

The Arab states are demanding Hamas hand over control to the PA.

Again, how is it that Arab states are demanding more of Hamas than we are?

OP posts:
nomas · 30/07/2025 09:02

beelegal · 30/07/2025 08:51

Interesting how th adults don’t look like they are starving. During the Nazi persecution of the Jews it was the adults that were all skin and bones.

What a hideous post.

Truly people have sunk to disgusting depths in order to dehumanise Palestinians.

Jennps · 30/07/2025 08:59

Dangermoo · 30/07/2025 08:22

Israel doesn't like Hamas? Should they be liking the murderous scum, who carried out a bloody massacre on 7/10?

Talk about spectacularly missing the point.

LumiK · 30/07/2025 08:55

Largely because Labour relies heavily on the Muslim vote to cling onto power. Look at how many independent councillors ran in the last local elections campaigning solely on Palestinian issues.

randomchap · 30/07/2025 08:55

beelegal · 30/07/2025 08:51

Interesting how th adults don’t look like they are starving. During the Nazi persecution of the Jews it was the adults that were all skin and bones.

Yes it was. And it was a horrific crime that should never be forgotten or repeated.

The UN has said there is starvation in Gaza. Why are you trying to deny that there is?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgvxgl5zxpo

Palestinians wait for food at a charity kitchen in Gaza City, northern Gaza (28 July 2025)

Famine 'currently playing out' in Gaza, UN-backed experts warn

It comes as aid agencies warn Israel's recent measures to increase aid supplies are not enough.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgvxgl5zxpo

beelegal · 30/07/2025 08:55

Starmer is an idiot.

If Israel puts their weapons down then Israel will be invaded. If Hamas puts their weapons down that’s it, war is over.

Starmer has just given a terrorist group credence, He has done this to stop his back benchers joining Corbyn. Anti-Semitism is still rife in that party.
Starmer is not fit to be PM of this country.

beelegal · 30/07/2025 08:51

randomchap · 30/07/2025 08:13

So you want the Palestinians to choose a new government whilst starving to death?

Or to have a new government forced on them by an occupying army?

Interesting how th adults don’t look like they are starving. During the Nazi persecution of the Jews it was the adults that were all skin and bones.

EasternStandard · 30/07/2025 08:49

TaupeLemur · 30/07/2025 08:47

Again - the idea that Hamas, who the West publicly call terrorist - would give a damn about what the U.K. or France or anyone else think when we supply Israel with the weapons being used in a genocide is laughable.
It’s Israel we should be trying to influence. I doubt anyone in Palestine has much respect for the UK given its colonial fuck up over the country to begin with.
I do think U.K. people seriously over estimate their ‘influence’ in the world in general and underestimate the resentment & political messes that the UK colonial past has left in its wake.

I can’t say I’ve posted Starmer has a lot of influence. Still he’s an outlier amongst Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc and France.

TaupeLemur · 30/07/2025 08:47

EasternStandard · 30/07/2025 08:39

Yes Qatar etc are putting more pressure on Hamas than we are. Starmer is the only one when you look at Macron’s statement too to do this.

Again - the idea that Hamas, who the West publicly call terrorist - would give a damn about what the U.K. or France or anyone else think when we supply Israel with the weapons being used in a genocide is laughable.
It’s Israel we should be trying to influence. I doubt anyone in Palestine has much respect for the UK given its colonial fuck up over the country to begin with.
I do think U.K. people seriously over estimate their ‘influence’ in the world in general and underestimate the resentment & political messes that the UK colonial past has left in its wake.

Longingdreamer · 30/07/2025 08:44

Arab countries recognise Hamas as the terrorists that they are, and are also afraid of the risk to their own countries.

Here in the UK people are incredibly misinformed.

Gaza needs freeing from Hamas, who are terrorists. There will never be peace while Hamas is in power.

KimberleyClark · 30/07/2025 08:42

Israel supported Hamas in the 70s as a divide and rule tactic, to weaken the PLO. I was going to link an article about this from The Times of Israel but Google seems to have blocked their website.

TaupeLemur · 30/07/2025 08:41

‘Expect to be met with the latest bout of your conflating antisemitism with criticising Israel.’

this ridiculous notion that you can’t criticise Israel for anything INCLUDING committing war crimes and genocide because it antisemitic isn’t working anymore.
Criticising Iran and their batshit actions or regime isn’t anti-Muslim - although you could argue that their people have a lot less agency than some I suppose.
Recognising the Palestinian state is long overdue.

EasternStandard · 30/07/2025 08:39

Yes Qatar etc are putting more pressure on Hamas than we are. Starmer is the only one when you look at Macron’s statement too to do this.

JackGrealishsBobbySocks · 30/07/2025 08:30

It's not worth seriously listening to anything said by Starmer. He'll say something else tomorrow.

I don't think it's a good look for us to make ultimatums to anyone. I think it only underscores how irrelevant the UK is on the world stage these days. Imagine Botswana saying "Georgia must stop eating dill or we will recognise the existence of Abkhazia." There would be general bafflement and mockery- the same as the UK gets now every time it wades in to foreign conflicts, particularlhly when domestically it is unravelling and edging closer to civil war.

We all know Starmer will just do what America tells him to do anyway. Same as every other recent PM.

TaupeLemur · 30/07/2025 08:28

Palestine is being recognised as a state - maybe. Palestine. So you have your facts wrong OP.
Hamas is a terrorist organisation, according to the UK government. So they aren’t less tough than others, like Qatar etc. and those countries actually have influence in the region. We supply Israel with weapons, why the F would Hamas care about what the U.K. thinks? Arab nations close to Palestine are in a position to influence AND to help with aid, recovery, and so on.

Dangermoo · 30/07/2025 08:28

ohnotthisagain2025 · 30/07/2025 08:25

Correct. The anti semitism is extremely strong on this site, though, they will pretty much jump through any hoop to ignore the simple reality that the murdering, raping, baby slaughterers of Hamas are lying, disgusting filth who could have ended the war they started at any point at all by simply surrendering and handing over the hostages.

Expect to be met with the latest bout of your conflating antisemitism with criticising Israel. However, Islamophobia accusations were recently used to shut down debate elsewhere. This was when discussing Islamic fundamentalists.

Dangermoo · 30/07/2025 08:26

randomchap · 30/07/2025 08:13

So you want the Palestinians to choose a new government whilst starving to death?

Or to have a new government forced on them by an occupying army?

The Palestianis, who aren't starving to death, will do all the electing. Namely, the men.

ohnotthisagain2025 · 30/07/2025 08:25

Helpins · 30/07/2025 08:09

Yes whilst it’s still run by Hamas. It means the Uk will be recognising Hamas as the government of Palestine.

Correct. The anti semitism is extremely strong on this site, though, they will pretty much jump through any hoop to ignore the simple reality that the murdering, raping, baby slaughterers of Hamas are lying, disgusting filth who could have ended the war they started at any point at all by simply surrendering and handing over the hostages.

Dangermoo · 30/07/2025 08:24

France has recognised Qatar billions. The hard left will be putting pressure on Starmer to follow suit, so another hunt to find his balls, in resisting. As for arab countries fixing things - they broke those things in the first place.

Zonder · 30/07/2025 08:24

JSMill · 30/07/2025 08:20

No. Hamas only runs part of the Palestinian territory. You do realise that don’t you? Also you can recognise a state but reject the legitimacy of the government.

This.

Plus the post a out voting in a new government while starving to death.

Dangermoo · 30/07/2025 08:22

Jennps · 30/07/2025 08:13

Let’s not kid ourselves that this is some kind of good vs evil battle. These things are always planned and orchestrated.

Israel doesn’t like Hamas. Hamas are basically permanent resident guests in Qatar. Qatar is the west’s biggest bestie in the Middle East, so much so that it gave Trump a private jet as a gift and one half the real estate in western capitals.

Go figure.

Israel doesn't like Hamas? Should they be liking the murderous scum, who carried out a bloody massacre on 7/10?

JSMill · 30/07/2025 08:20

Helpins · 30/07/2025 08:09

Yes whilst it’s still run by Hamas. It means the Uk will be recognising Hamas as the government of Palestine.

No. Hamas only runs part of the Palestinian territory. You do realise that don’t you? Also you can recognise a state but reject the legitimacy of the government.

notimagain · 30/07/2025 08:18

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