Why are the Arab countries tougher on Hamas than we are in the UK?

And why shouldn't we? The Palestinians are entitled to their own state; that entitlement isn't dependent upon what Hamas does. As long as it's clear that Hamas have no part to play in the process, can never hold power there and continue to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation, so what?

This isn't about rewarding Hamas (who don't want a two state solution anyway, so I fail to see how it would do so). It's about acknowledging the Palestinian right to statehood and ended the brutal and illegal occupation that led to the rise of groups like Hamas in the first place.

But really does anyone even care what KS says or let alone believe him! He will change his mind next week 😂. Seriously tho - no one is scared or respects KS. He’s not taken seriously.

@beelegal I’m not sure if you’re an actual idiot or if your post wasn’t in good faith, but anyone with a basic knowledge of famine will understand that it hits kids first then adults - kids have less weight to lose; it’s basic common sense. It’s also basic knowledge that the Nazis killed the kids on arrival at the camps so yes there will be a great deal more photos of starving adults in the camps than starving children.
We can be critical of Hamas and critical of the way the reporting narrative has turned without implying that people are lying about a famine.

Labour needs to appease its core demographics.

”would never have happened if the " face' of Islam was White or Black ( yes, I know Islam and Muslims encompass all races, but " Brown" is the stereotypical default in the Western mind's eye").”

what on EARTH does this mean in the context of the rest of the post

A worldwide Muslim conspiracy...where have we heard that before? A cabal of puppet master Muslims controlling the West.

to demonise Israel in the eyes of the world I think Israeli soldiers shooting innocents trying to get food is what's demonising them.

Palestine should be recognised as it's own state. Hamas is a different issue and they need to be stopped. I'm not in the military so can't really comment on how that should be done.

The PP saying the islamic religion should be crushed, is outrageous and offensive to true muslims who live their lives with peace.

Innocent children are starving and people are being killed by soldiers for trying to access aid. I don't see how anyone can support that.

Hamas controls ALL the aid into Gaza.

The world contribution to aid in Gaza alone was and is eye wateringly high.

And then there is Iran and via China and Russia. And no doubt Qatar which also contributed high amounts in bursaries to top universities in the US and UK in the last few decades so as to produce a " pro Palestine/ low key Islamist/ anti "Zionism" faculty /lecturer/ student body pipeline in each.
In the meantime , it's the " small hat cabal" conspiracy theories that are legion amongst these various bought and paid for entities.

And I've just found out that Iran found coin enough to bail out a broke South Africa just previous to her government taking Israel to court.....allegedly.

The Islamist " cause" has a breadth of enablers in non Muslim countries and communities by stealth.

The Labour Party should have never sold itself out to a religious block, especially one with such a low financial contribution rate per capita.

There was absolutely no reason or incentive to do so except for that low key " love affair" that liberal/ Leftists have developed for right wing ( culturally, even in its most benign form) Islam.

It's completely counterintuitive to the Liberal " cause".

And would never have happened if the " face' of Islam was White or Black ( yes, I know Islam and Muslims encompass all races, but " Brown" is the stereotypical default in the Western mind's eye").

He issued demands of Hamas, but not conditions. The conditions only apply to Israel

I'd expect nothiing else from Starmer, @Voxon, especially at a time when he may risk losing MPs to Corbyn and his hideously antisemitic cronies

Otherwise, can I say how refreshing it is to read nuanced posts from someone who clearly has some understanding of what's actually happening in the area and doesn't restrict themselves to silly soundbites and competittive emotion

Everyone already recognises Palestine as a state. We simply have different opinions on the freedoms the civilians there should have. The same posters here stating that they shouldn't be recognised, are arguing 'why should Israel help them?' on other threads.

Youre not seriously still doing ‘tunnels under hospitals’ are you

Recognising Palestine as a state has nothing to do with Hamas.

Your point is also incoherent as all those Arab states recognise Palestine as a state.

There is a Hamas quote on this decision and they are happy to hear Starmer’s statement. So they may well care about the statehood after all, it’s more that they wish to be at the head of it too.

A senior Hamas official has welcomed Sir Keir Starmer’s promise to recognise Palestine, saying that “victory and liberation are closer than we expected”.

I don’t know. But what I do know is that that doesn’t decide whether it’s a country or not.

Exactly. Hammas are sitting there and seeing people around them starve, knowing they could stop this tomorrow by returning hostages and relinquishing power.

But the government of Gaza (Hammas) does not care about its own people's suffering, it puts its agenda first at any cost.

Don't worry OP, not much chance of Starmer actually doing what he says.

I’ve already posted in response to that below.

Can you see a way to get a state with a legitimate gov ie no Hamas?

Thank you! I am sick of reading on this site some bots dehumanising the people of Palestine. I don’t for a second believe that they’re even real that’s how evil they sound. The whole world knows the truth and Isreal government can no longer hide their absolute evilness and nastiness. I have not met one person in real life that agrees with the shit they’re doing, and I am around all different people from all different walks of life/professions.

It is not a war; it is a genocide happening right in front of our eyes. Some people are so human less I can see why slavery/holocaust happened. Just evil and pathetic.

But what I don’t think you’re acknowledging is it means nothing to Hamas. They don’t care if Palestine is recognised or not.

I’m aware of your view on this. If there’s zero leverage as you seem certain of then that’s not great.

It’s worth a try from the Arab nations as a legitimate gov is the best outcome.

We understood it, but it's not a condition, it's a demand. Ie: if Hamas completely ignore everything he said, the UK will still follow through.

What part of "accept it will play no part in the government of Gaza" do you not understand?

Good news then.

"The UK government’s statement also reiterates its demands for Hamas to immediately release all the hostages, sign up to an immediate ceasefire with Israel, commit to disarmament and accept it will play no part in the government of Gaza."

Again, you cannot base your recognition of a state on their government.