To think that there is no hope here?

Gaza is a political issue that has resonance. It’s shaping policy and Corbyn’s new party mentions two things, economic readjustment and Palestine.

We are seeing the impact on politics here for sure, the pp is closer to that.

Higher earnings do not equate to moral merit it's an arbitrary societal ranking that often bears no relation to how hard people work and is much more likely to reflect their societal privilege
I can sort of see where you are coming from in some cases. You are saying that people's parents were the hard workers that gave their children "societal privilege " to be high earners. Because this societal privilege must come from somewhere. And presumably it can't come from inside a person themselves or by their own drive and hard work. These people have no agency themselves. Therefore they didn't earn their own money themselves through their own graft really and the Labour Party is entitled to lift as much as possible from them in tax.
I suppose that means you don't agree that doctors deserve a payrise. Because getting through medical school usually only happens due to "societal privilege " rather than their own brain and hard work.

I thought MPs like Jess Philips and Wes Streeting are in constituencies where panding to the Muslim vote is essential. Wes Streeting seems to be one of the few ministers that are effective and relatively normal so it would be a shame to lose him.

So, you believe that this Government is the best custodian/allocator of your tax receipts, correct?

Instead of feeling 'disliked' for paying more tax why not see it as part of your civic duty? The overall tax rate of the rich is typically far lower and it's much more expensive to live poor.

Doubtful. If that were the case he would have moved for full recognition without conditions.

Muslims are a mere 6%. Nobody is going to put excess work into courting their vote.

You are describing an unequal society where many millions don't earn enough to live comfortably (despite many working very hard) and a select few earn far more than they will ever need in their lifetime. After a certain point, earning more money doesn't make you any happier. I'm not a top earner but we are very comfortable and I have no problem with paying more tax and that tax going to others less well off than me. A more equal society is a happier safer society. Higher earnings do not equate to moral merit it's an arbitrary societal ranking that often bears no relation to how hard people work and is much more likely to reflect their societal privilege.

I know plenty about a gravy train that has got totally out of control.

And no I wasn’t. But do tell, why is that you wonder.

Articulate? Embarrassing more like.

Regardless of opinion being intimidated by others is not something to be ashamed of and intimidating others should be avoided.

Just out of interest, are you intimidated by people who are more articulate than yourself? Because your continual use of 'word salad' certainly gives that impression.

Well you demonstrated very nicely upthread that you know zero about motability and disability benefits. Weren’t you the poster on another benefit thread who wanted motability cars to be marked as such, so that disabled drivers on the scheme could be easily identified ? Why is that I wonder ?

It doesn’t need to be independents who take the vote. Corbyn’s party has over 400k signed up already.

Agree. I think a bit more on the domestic policy and less on the foreign policy relating to foreign conflicts that aren't our business wouldn't go amiss.

HTH😉

Starmer is on the back foot with Corbyn who has always supported the Muslims including Hamas. His new party had 140k followers in 24 hours. Then he's got reform to deal with. I can follow his reasoning

And you know this how?

There are such things as domestic policy and foreign.

HTH.

Eh? New Zealand has very similar weather to the UK so not sure what you have to crow about? Personally I quite like the different weathers we get. Currently in the park feeling very warm.

Look. You live in Knock-Off Norway. I wouldn't be so smug. Norway does fjords far better.

I just felt that the PP was trying to be positive about the UK in a thread that is about "no hope" and said that the weather wasnt so bad and it's a good place and she wouldn't want to emigrate. Which was good and cheering. And you jump in (not being British or living in the UK) saying actually btw the weather is shit too!

We can slag our own weather off. But we don't need other people to do it thanks very much.

How am I 'missing out' when I live in a country with far better weather? As I have already said, people's idea of 'nice weather' differs. I can assure you I won't be visiting any of these places you would prefer to remain secret so you can relax.

I was simply replying to a poster who said the UK had 'terrific weather'. You and others then decided to derail the thread by commenting on my post, and apparently I have no right of reply.

Well you are missing out. Some part of the UK are lovely and do actually get nice weather but perhaps I would prefer they stayed secret and keep the likes of you out.

Starmer is making announcements about Gaza to retain the vote of Muslim communities, who typically vote Labour.

When they don’t vote Labour, they vote for fringe independents who…oh yes, campaign on Gaza rather than the UK.

That is his motivation for grandstanding about Gaza.

Ok but maybe start your own thread if you want to talk about the weather in a country almost as far away from you in the world as possible? Rather off topic here perhaps.