To not want to look after my daughter any more

I'm talking about violent children in general, not just this one girl.

@EviesHat I've done nothing of the sort, though you continue to make it clear that you don't read the content of posts, otherwise you'd know that I've written about the support.

I won't respond to you again as derailing the ops thread in the way that you have done is frankly cruel.

You are talking about a very young child your language is way over the top to describe an 8 year old.

You’ve made it quite clear your profession offers no support to the siblings of violent children.

The aggressor must remain in the family home, no matter the cost to others living there.

@EviesHat I'm assuming you have been the victim of some sort of sibling abuse for you to take such a strong stance on this and if that's the case and you weren't supported, I'm sorry.

You can 'translate' my posts as much as you like, it's clear that you have a fixed view and an extremely negative interpretation of any professional input, for whatever reason.

I do think that you would be better off starting your own thread though, as this has gone far beyond anything helpful to the OP.

“Sentencing should take account of compelling evidence that the brain does not fully mature until at least the age of 25, according to a review of research undertaken by the University of Edinburgh on behalf of the Scottish Sentencing Council.
In order to inform its development of a guideline on sentencing young people, the Scottish Sentencing Council asked the University of Edinburgh to carry out a systematic review of the current neurological, neuropsychological, and psychological evidence on the cognitive maturity of younger people.
The review findings confirm that the adolescent brain continues to develop into adulthood and does not reach full maturity until approximately 25-30 years of age.
…
Furthermore, brain development may be delayed or hindered by other factors such as mental disorders and distress, adverse childhood experiences, traumatic brain injury (“TBI”), and alcohol and substance use. These contextual risks therefore introduce significant vulnerability in young people. The very nature of brain development during the transition to adulthood is often at the root of the risk-taking behaviour which can cause further damage to the already vulnerable younger brain.“

https://www.scottishsentencingcouncil.org.uk/news-and-media/news/research-indicates-the-brain-does-not-fully-mature-until-you-are-at-least-25

Still, I’m sure you’re right and both the Scottish Sentencing Council and the researchers at the University of Edinburgh are wrong.

It's absolutely not 'made up nonsense'. The pre frontal cortex stops developing around age 25.

But you seem to think you can predict how the 8 year old child is going to present at 12,15,17 so why don't you provide the numbers for this week's lottery 🤔

The brain maturity thing is a load of made up nonsense and it varies on mumsnet to between 25 -30 🤣🤣

It isn’t the child I’m demonising, it’s the position of the state in relation to the effects that child has on parents and siblings within the home.

I thought that was obvious.

Brains aren’t fully mature until people are in their mid to late 20s.

If you are certain your 19 year old son can predict the outcomes on relationships he forms in his 30s, 40s and later, how exposure to violence as a child influences his own family dynamics when he becomes a parent, perhaps you could also ask him to provide us all with this week’s lottery numbers?

He's 19 at Xmas.

Your language is interesting
"Prioritising the rights of a violent individual over the rights of innocent children "
The 8 year old is also a child who for some reason you are hell bent on demonising them.

Unsurprisingly the studies into sibling violence show that the victims who grow up with violent siblings in the home:

• are more likely to develop substance abuse issues as adults
• are more likely to become victims of domestic abuse
• are less able to identify abusive relationships as adults
• are more likely to suffer relationship breakdowns as adults
• have poorer mental health and low self-esteem as adults
• have lower educational attainment and work success due to childhood belittling
• have riskier sexual encounters
• are desensitised to violence and may themselves become perpetrators
• are more likely to need support from state agencies in their adult lives

@x2boys Your oldest son may not be of an age to realise how his sibling’s violent behaviour is likely to impact on his future.

@Hibernatingtilspring ”…I'm not interested in giving you detailed answers because I don't for a second believe you are a genuine poster…”

Translation: I know my position is untenable, prioritising the rights of a violent individual over the rights of innocent children can never be defended, so instead I will libel you in an attempt to cover up the state’s collusion in facilitating lifelong harms in the siblings of violent children.

Got it.

Have you asked them ?
No of course you haven't you have just invented your own narrative for some reason
My oldest sin would be devastated of his brother was taken from our family becsuse despite everything he loves him very much.

@EviesHat it's extremely difficult to 'study' due to there being so many variables that you generally end up comparing apples and oranges.

Mostly it's feedback (via charities and campaigners) by people who have experienced the system - those in care and those not.

As I said though I'm not interested in giving you detailed answers because I don't for a second believe you are a genuine poster, and I think it's horrible for the OP that you and others have hijacked their thread for their own entertainment.

They’d probably prefer that their sibling had regular residential placements so they had a break from both witnessing and being on the receiving end of daily violence, though.

Can’t be nice to grow up dreading going home after school because your sibling makes home a dangerous and unpleasant place to be, can it?

So important and so true. Glad someone mentioned it.

Siblings of children with disabilities and challenging behaviour also love their siblings
They don't want their family torn apart.

Something very much not right here
I’ve seen this behaviour in (specifically female) child victims of abuse, the anger

I’m beginning to suspect this may be at the heart of why we have so many young adults in mental health crises. Social Services, as you say, “don’t take that position” when it comes to looking at the greater well-being of the family over the needs of the challenging child.

Siblings of violent children grow up themselves and they carry those mental scars with them. What then?

@BabyCatFace your point was never unclear, it was your reasoning behind it and lack of explanation for it.

where a child is being violent to their siblings and the parents can't manage that safely in the home, the hypothetical parents should not expect the state to house their child in foster care but should explore living separately and caring for the siblings across different households

Nope. Again that's opinion stated as fact. Why shouldn't the state help? Who does deserve help from agencies?

I’ve genuinely considered whether taking my own life would save my other children from the hell they’re living. I’d do that sooner than be separated from them and my husband.