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To not want to look after my daughter any more

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Goaheadflameme · 27/07/2025 17:58

My daughter is 8. She is recently diagnosed with autism. No problems at school but a nightmare at home.

Predictably, being out of the school routine has made her challenging behaviour more challenging. She regularly tells me she hates me, wishes I was dead, that things would be better without me. Everytime
I say something she mocks me. She won’t do anything she is told and consequences are meaningless as she just doesn’t care. Today she has also thrown food round the living room and when I tried to stop this she has violently attacked me multiple times. Previously she has broken my finger and scratched me to the extent that I was hospitalised due to a serious infection in my arm.

I just honestly can’t do it any more. This has been going on for more than two years now. It’s completely ruining me, my relationship with my husband and our family life (we have other children). The violence triggers me so badly due to childhood abuse and I don’t feel safe in my own home.

Do social services take children away in these circumstances?

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GrizzlyTez · 02/08/2025 17:58

Why should the daughter be under CAMHS? The OP hasn't said anything about her daughter have a diagnosed mental illness, only autism, which isn't a mental illness.

Papergirl1968 · 31/07/2025 18:24

Sorry, that was in reply to @ByGreyWriter

Papergirl1968 · 31/07/2025 18:22

Definite trauma, borderline learning difficulties for dd1. I’d raise the question of ADHD and other conditions for them both but they were discounted. ODD is a good shout but ten years ago it wasn’t really ever suggested.
They were under CAHMS for many years but it didn’t really help. I suppose I was “lucky” in that them being adopted opened some doorways in terms of support. They had respite support at weekends for a while until the respite carers could no longer cope, and I received adoption allowance, DLA (before it became PIP) and carers allowance, which enabled me to work part time and take a career break to facilitate all the various meetings and appointments, as well as paying for hobbies like dance, gymnastics and horse riding to help give their week some structure. I do think riding was particularly beneficial.
They are in their early 20s now. Both still have their issues and both were teenage parents - with social services once again involved - but my grandchildren bring me a lot of joy.

ByGreyWriter · 31/07/2025 18:08

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Mondaytuesdayhappydays · 31/07/2025 17:17

Papergirl1968 · 31/07/2025 17:04

Dd1 was just under eight when placed with me for adoption, and just under ten when it was made legal. DD2 was five when placed with me, seven when it was made legal. Both went on to become aggressive towards me, especially dd1, although she left home when she was 16.
I put Dd2 back into care when she was 15 because I couldn’t keep her safe. She was attacking me, destroying our home, drinking, dabbling in drugs, constantly running off, hanging out with goodness knows who, self harming and being arrested for shoplifting etc.
Children’s services had been heavily involved and were half heartedly looking for a placement but one day matters came to a head and I think I took her to their office - I’ve since had some brain damage so struggling to remember the exact sequence of events.
She went initially into a children’s home about three miles away which didn’t really work out and she unofficially returned home for a while before it all escalated again and this time went to a very rural home where for many months she was the only resident so had a lot of input from staff, before being joined by one other girl. I saw her fairly regularly.
My relationship with both dds is ok now. Not always great but ok. I tell dd2 she would be dead if I hadn’t put her back in care and she says how grateful she is to the staff at that second home.
Neuther were autistic but they had complex behavioural, social and emotional
issues. The police were often round 2/3 times a week and I had warning markers on my address for urgent response due to the level of domestic abuse.
Child on parent violence is a growing problem and I always say don’t judge someone until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes.

I see a lot of this, post adoption breakdown
Sometimes the early years trauma cannot be healed post adoption no matter how loving the family- the damage is done xxx

Papergirl1968 · 31/07/2025 17:04

BabyCatFace · 31/07/2025 16:12

Quite
and there is no adoption for 8 year olds

Dd1 was just under eight when placed with me for adoption, and just under ten when it was made legal. DD2 was five when placed with me, seven when it was made legal. Both went on to become aggressive towards me, especially dd1, although she left home when she was 16.
I put Dd2 back into care when she was 15 because I couldn’t keep her safe. She was attacking me, destroying our home, drinking, dabbling in drugs, constantly running off, hanging out with goodness knows who, self harming and being arrested for shoplifting etc.
Children’s services had been heavily involved and were half heartedly looking for a placement but one day matters came to a head and I think I took her to their office - I’ve since had some brain damage so struggling to remember the exact sequence of events.
She went initially into a children’s home about three miles away which didn’t really work out and she unofficially returned home for a while before it all escalated again and this time went to a very rural home where for many months she was the only resident so had a lot of input from staff, before being joined by one other girl. I saw her fairly regularly.
My relationship with both dds is ok now. Not always great but ok. I tell dd2 she would be dead if I hadn’t put her back in care and she says how grateful she is to the staff at that second home.
Neuther were autistic but they had complex behavioural, social and emotional
issues. The police were often round 2/3 times a week and I had warning markers on my address for urgent response due to the level of domestic abuse.
Child on parent violence is a growing problem and I always say don’t judge someone until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes.

Ted27 · 31/07/2025 16:57

@BabyCatFace

I adopted my son when he was 8.

BabyCatFace · 31/07/2025 16:12

Mondaytuesdayhappydays · 31/07/2025 15:50

Choosing to surrender your parental rights is adoption?
They can be taken away from you by a full care court order , but not just ‘given up’
most kids in care are on section 20 where parents still have PR

Quite
and there is no adoption for 8 year olds

Wateringinaheatwave · 31/07/2025 16:03

Strongly recommend looking at Parenting Mental Health (website, book, FB group). Lots of us there have lived experience of being attacked by our children.

Also recommend reading about NVR as an approach. We have just done an NVR course (as a couple) and it’s been really helpful.

Mondaytuesdayhappydays · 31/07/2025 15:50

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Choosing to surrender your parental rights is adoption?
They can be taken away from you by a full care court order , but not just ‘given up’
most kids in care are on section 20 where parents still have PR

BabyCatFace · 31/07/2025 08:43

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There is no such thing as choosing to surrender parental rights

x2boys · 31/07/2025 08:39

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Because its just that easy ....

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Lotsnlotsoflove · 30/07/2025 15:48

EviesHat · 29/07/2025 00:11

OP is the survivor of childhood abuse and triggered by the violence from her child. Is it reasonable to say she just needs to ‘step up to the plate’ without acknowledging her own trauma - and how that may impact on the rest of the family?

There are also other children in the house - are you suggesting social services do not consider it worthwhile to conduct a risk assessment for their safety, concentrating only on the child who inflicts the injuries on the rest of the family?

I'm suggesting that if every parent with a child who has traumatic behavioural problems were allowed to surrender them to social services, we wouldn't have money as a country to pay for anything else. Unfortunately, when you have a child, you do so in the knowledge that there are risks involved, such as the risk that they might be autistic and violent in the future. You cannot then surrender the child to the state; you are legally responsible for giving that child a home and meeting their needs. Sure, if you are unable to do that for whatever reason, then there are systems in place to step in, but those systems are simply not going to kick in just because you are at the end of your tether and other children are at risk. The threshold for social services to take a child out of the home is very high, and the child will be at the centre of that assessment (they are more likely to remove the other children than the severely behaviorally challenged child tb). So, the OP doesn't have much of a choice. I do not make the rules, I'm simply saying: children, however difficult, do not get removed from the family home without there being some serious incompetence or abuse from the parents. Respite care is different and may be possible with help from the right channels.

Sadworld23 · 30/07/2025 08:24

ExtraOnions · 27/07/2025 18:43

Been there.

To start with the good news, I now have a lovely 19 year old DD, who is kind, sensitive, funny, and great company. We do lots together.

On the other side, she was late diagnosed with ASD, so I had no idea what I was dealing with. What I had was a violent, angry, aggressive child (from about the age of 7). She smashed her room up, and was violent towards me on multiple occasions.

She was great at school, until she stopped going (but that’s another story).

So, what happened?

  1. Changed the way I parented. Parenting and ASD child, is different to parenting an ND child. The usual rules around “consequences” and the magic “take their screens away” don’t work. When you child becomes overwhelmed, they have a panic attack (or the unhelpful word “meltdown”), there emotions are dysregulated, and they lash out.
  2. When they are in this dysregulated state, there is no point in trying to talk to them, reason with them or anything else … makes it all worse, best thing you can do is to leave them alone. The time for discussion comes later.
  3. Figure out the triggers .. they will be there, is it tiredness, hunger, finding it hard to follow instruction.. could be anything, but knowing gives you an advantage.
  4. Give them things, in life, that they can control themselves - only need start small.
  5. You child does not like feeling that out of control, it’s as distressing for them, as it is for you.
  6. Tell them you Love them.. every single day. The one thing that helped change things with us, was when I said “I’m on your side”
  7. help them understand ASD, and why is makes some things difficult.
  8. We found Sertraline to be a lifesaver.

What I’m trying to say is that there is a sucessful way through this, as awful as it seems at the moment

Important to mention my daughter is “high functioning” -though L2 in the new Assesment

Also, please try not to listen to people who have no experience… they mean well, but mostly spout ableist garbage

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This advice is spot on.
Do you get help from any parenting with special needs sites.
I'm on a FB page by Mcall Gordon who writes about kids with extra needs and it's really helpful.

Don't try to follow the age old, your a kid you do what I say pathways BC it just won't work with ND kids. Don't blame each others parenting, that doesn't help either.

If it's difficult to get your head round it, think of it as a brain injury, and just as you'd adapt things for a physically disabled child, a ND child needs adaptations.

x2boys · 30/07/2025 05:06

DoFunk · 29/07/2025 23:14

And if your son decided to attack someone else out of the house, they should just sit and accept it?

Don't be fucking ridiculous outside of the house he never gets a chance to be anywhere near anyone else why are you trying to be so offensive??

DoFunk · 29/07/2025 23:14

x2boys · 29/07/2025 17:59

What do you suggest exactly punch ,nip ,bite them back?This is whst my son does to me to me but he's severely autistic with severe learning disabilities, he doesn't understand how his actions impact me ,but I'm and adult and I'm not disabled so if I did them same to him I would be arrested and charged with assault
My sons 15 now so I can usually recognise the triggers and use distraction techniques etc but it doesn't always work.

And if your son decided to attack someone else out of the house, they should just sit and accept it?

BettyBobble · 29/07/2025 19:00

Oh OP. You don't want her taken away. I get it. I have four now grown kids. Two ND. My dauion the specidid this stuff. I remember one day she was pissed off on the way home from school about her day and once in the house launched a carton of juice across the room to which I explained her name and to stop. She then ran upstairs and smashed a full length mirror. She was about 10. I get it. She early 20s now with two youngsters. She's my best friend the most wonderful mother. Please try and seek some support to manage this

AutisticAndMore · 29/07/2025 18:40

Autistic children(and adults) can have shitty behaviour too. Yes most of the time with children(and often with adults) challenging behaviour will be related to their autism but they do also have these things called personalities and they are as capable or misbehaving or being unpleasant or difficult at times as any child. We aren’t some homogenous mass devoid of personalities or all agency.

It’s clear though that you only value the ND child. Screw anyone else in the household. You clearly don’t think that they matter at all. I’ve seen that attitude on MN many times though so sadly you’re not alone in that. 8 years old and autistic or not, the violence is no less painful, devastating or traumatising for the people being subjected to it. Their body and mind still reacts to it in the same way as if it were an adult.

I hope that residential care won’t be necessary for the OP’s child as there are possible solutions that haven’t yet been tried but I do think it’s grotesque that parents are expected to have the shit beaten out of them by their child with so little support. They matter too. A friend of mine went through this with her son. The abuse that she took from her similarly aged child and that her young daughter took was unimaginable and no less traumatic because it was a 9 year old dishing it out. Her daughter was terrified to go home and developed severe problems as a result. She was finally able to get him into residential care after a long battle but not before she’d been hospitalised several times and then had a literal and severe breakdown. She should never have been allowed to get to that point. Putting her son into residential care was the best thing for all of them. It helped her son and her DD absolutely blossomed without him, after a period of adjustment where she realised that she was safe again but it took a long time for the impact on her and her DD to settle. And while her DD was young enough to recover, my friend still has associated issues. That was over a decade ago and I imagine that it’s even harder now to get residential care. And yes councils are bankrupt but residential care is absolutely necessary for some parents and children and it’s disgusting that they are left to be abused and severely traumatised in their own homes by their own children.

x2boys · 29/07/2025 18:03

PoxyAndIKnowIt · 29/07/2025 17:59

I really don't understand why some posters feel the need to comment on things of which they clearly have less than zero knowledge or experience.
OP, this advice, and other posts by the same poster, are beyond ignorant and wrong. Please completely disregard it.

"Autism is no excuse for shitty behaviour"

Autistic children don't have "shitty behaviour" but their condition can sometimes make their behaviour challenging for various reasons, often beyond the child's and anyone else's control. Learning to manage this is a long road for the child, parents, other caregivers and educators, but it is something that can be learned with good advice, patience and trial and error. And hopefully some outside expert help.
Beating the child up and forcing them restrained into cars is never part of this process; and as for "retaliation and harsher consequences" for an autistic child... I have no words.

It makes me feel quite sick tbh thst some posters think it's OK to assault disabled children ,.

PoxyAndIKnowIt · 29/07/2025 17:59

ClosetBasketCase · 29/07/2025 12:18

At 8 years old, you bodily pick them up, burrito in a blanket if needs be and put them in the car. no ifs, ands or buts. autism is no excuse for shitty behaviou and if the OP cannot cope then it becomes the issue of the LA.

either that or it'll be the OP that ends up in the hospital, and what then?

I really don't understand why some posters feel the need to comment on things of which they clearly have less than zero knowledge or experience.
OP, this advice, and other posts by the same poster, are beyond ignorant and wrong. Please completely disregard it.

"Autism is no excuse for shitty behaviour"

Autistic children don't have "shitty behaviour" but their condition can sometimes make their behaviour challenging for various reasons, often beyond the child's and anyone else's control. Learning to manage this is a long road for the child, parents, other caregivers and educators, but it is something that can be learned with good advice, patience and trial and error. And hopefully some outside expert help.
Beating the child up and forcing them restrained into cars is never part of this process; and as for "retaliation and harsher consequences" for an autistic child... I have no words.

x2boys · 29/07/2025 17:59

DoFunk · 29/07/2025 17:50

So legally and morally the parents just need to accept being attacked by their child?

What do you suggest exactly punch ,nip ,bite them back?This is whst my son does to me to me but he's severely autistic with severe learning disabilities, he doesn't understand how his actions impact me ,but I'm and adult and I'm not disabled so if I did them same to him I would be arrested and charged with assault
My sons 15 now so I can usually recognise the triggers and use distraction techniques etc but it doesn't always work.

DoFunk · 29/07/2025 17:50

x2boys · 29/07/2025 13:10

Well i don't think the law would agree with you thankfully if you assault a child you would likely be prosecuted .
And there is a huge difference between a child and an adult
As a parent you have a responsibility towards your children which you don't have to other adults
If you can't see the difference between a disabled 8 year old child and an adult then i don't know what to say.

So legally and morally the parents just need to accept being attacked by their child?

PennywisePoundFoolish · 29/07/2025 15:27

ClosetBasketCase · 29/07/2025 12:18

At 8 years old, you bodily pick them up, burrito in a blanket if needs be and put them in the car. no ifs, ands or buts. autism is no excuse for shitty behaviou and if the OP cannot cope then it becomes the issue of the LA.

either that or it'll be the OP that ends up in the hospital, and what then?

I've read some awful advice in my time, but this makes the top 3. It would be hugely irresponsible to attempt to transport an 8 year old "burrito style" in a car.

Clearly you have utter contempt for a dysregulated 8 year old, but surely even you can see how dangerous that would be? Not just to the parent and child, but other road users.

EasternStandard · 29/07/2025 14:38

Whatafustercluck · 29/07/2025 14:02

Harsher consequences are ineffective with many ND children, a fact alluded to by the op. They don't work because this is a behaviour modification method used to correct bad behaviour, as opposed to dealing with a stressor that causes a physiological fight or flight response in a child. Too often, parents of ND children are told that their child's behaviour is a product of their bad parenting, such as not applying typical behaviour management systems such as rewards and consequences. In many cases, all these avenues have been exhausted by the parents - indeed the application of harsher consequences exacerbates the problem further.

Further up thread you suggest carrying an 8yo child 'burrito style' to A&E if they won't go willingly. I tried to do this to my 6yo dd to get her to school. It resulted in a car seat broken in half when the seatbelt restraint I'd employed failed spectacularly, followed by the car door flung open as the car started moving, her making a run for it and hiding from me. When I finally retrieved her, she dug her fingernails into my eye socket so hard that she drew blood and left scratches.

I can talk at length about the things that did help her, the things that did eventually work for us. It absolutely was not applying harder consequences and retaliation. My insistence on trying to manage her extreme behaviour in the way recommended by the 'parenting experts' was at least partially to blame.

As soon as I started listening to people who were actually skilled and qualified in understanding children like my daughter, and who recommended strategies that would help regulate her and de-escalate volatile situations, our situation improved immeasurably.

Yes this is a good post.