To think The West is morally bankrupt

The OG coloniser being the vikings? Or Rome? Or the ottoman empire?

Or it could just be that it’s none of your business and adds nothing to the discussion.

People do seem evasive on where is better that is not the west on threads like this.

Great if they do find a better place for them but it’s seems to be sticking point on saying where that is.

Thank you so much! I don’t know if my plans will ever get off the ground, but I am certainly trying hard at the moment. Thanks again for a ray of sunshine on this otherwise depressing thread 🙂

Yes, Western countries have done and continue to do terrible things. The US has been a war mongering bully for decades now, since they became the most powerful country in the world. That is not to say that there are not massive atrocities happening in many other parts of the world. The defect here is surely man him/herself, rather than West vs East. I think the UK is in a terrible position economically and in other ways. Many people would be far better off leaving so good luck to @SummerEve.

Absolutely this.

I voted YABU because we don't all tolerate it. It makes me ill but I don't have my hands on the levers of so-called power and there are children here who need me. I have to make a realistic choice.

You don't get to lump us all together as 'Westerners' and tell us what we're feeling. I understand you're furious and upset but calling us all out as moral cowards won't solve anything.

Why? It makes absolutely no difference to you and will somehow be twisted into a stick to beat me with.

Can you name some?

Is that Winston Marshall the Winston Marshall who used to be a Mumford?

If that's the case, I'd take everything he says with a hearty dose of scepticism. He is, or possibly was, quite a fan of the far-right doxxer and general shit-stirrer Andy Ngo.

Top 5 carbon emission producers …. 4 of the 5, are not Western.
USA is # 2

China, defo not Western is # 1 carbon emission producer producing more than twice USA.

The other 3, India, Russia & Japan.

Agree!

Me too.

It feels like it’s a relatively small amount of willy waving men that ruin the world for everyone.

I wonder if there is anywhere that will have you

I am a realist. Nowhere is perfect. The West, the UK and US in particular, continue to trade on past glories and it’s all coming home to roost. I am done with it!

👍

The “West” is not more morally bankrupt than any other group.

You clearly have not experienced much of the “real” rest of world. The ones that hack limbs off albinos, the ones who chain-up or worse SEN kids, the ones who sell their children, boys & girls for exploitation, the ones who mutilate girls genitals, those who kill or enslave their neighboring tribes/religions, places where women cannot leave homes unsupervised, where women can’t get educated etc etc etc. Those groups that pollute the environment in many ways, exploit the environment but are not “Western”.

Grow up.

It’s usually very naive people who know little about the rest of the world.

How would they like to live in a place where, when you go to the police for help, they demand money with menaces before very reluctantly agreeing to get off their backsides to enforce the law?

Or a place where bribery is absolutely the way everything works?

And those are just some of the milder problems.

Perhaps you'd like to climb down from your high horse OP?
Do you talk to people like this IRL?How does that work out for you?

Ok so it’s not really in line with op’s point. You don’t like the U.K. rather than a west issue.

What non Western county would allow people to make claims against their leader such as those or rape etc? Which non Western cou ties would allow Thier press to publish said claims? Which non Western country would all allegations and calls such as yours against their country and government ?

Which countries did not benefit from slaves? ( By this I don't mean black slaves, I mean slaves of all ethnicities). Did they or tribes within the lands not sell captives or undesirables to traders? Which countries who may have participated on slavery in the past took an active role in not only crashing their own slavery but actively trying to stop all slavery?

When former colonies of western powers gained independence did they thrown out all aspects of western influence to revert back before western ",contamination"? Went back to tribal rule and governance, destroyed nasty western railways and technology?

Nope. Looking at several other places as well.

Ok good luck. In keeping with the thread are you only looking at non western countries?

I know.

If you get a job who sorts out your visa, are TB and certain other ilnesses free, it's pretty easy to move to UAE. I am not aware of several other stipulated non-negotiables tbh. As long as we are talking about UK assport holder.