To think The West is morally bankrupt

i think you’re wrong. It is the youth that is leading the change very much, the campus sit ins one example of this. Your 4 kids are hardly an accurate representation of what the youth is doing or going to do.

Please, stop making things up. I haven’t said anywhere that the UK or West is terrible. I have also acknowledged that nowhere is perfect and that other places have their problems too.

This is mumsnet watch the brainwashed numpties cream hamas!

oh but the Rothchilds are great, Palestine was hardly Britain’s to give away (JFK) , and lots of lies about war on terror and their bums start twitching because it’s all hamas but deep down They know the west is corrupt. I’m a westerner too but at least I can see it’s morally corrupt

Oh well @Ohthatsabitshit, sod scientific research or thousands of years of evolution, because you have a hunch!

I think you are wrong. What men are good at is being the biggest thing in a room or discussion they are rarely better at problem solving or multitasking.

To my mind it is the "progressive" mindset that's on its way out -most of these people seem to be boomers - you only have to look the climate and Palestine protests to see old wealthy white people over represented. I had an argument with one yesterday she was banging on about how she'd campaigned for South Africa in the 80s and was now obsessed about "Palestine." I think most of the youth (I have 4 young adult,children so have observed) are not very political but once things get alot tougher in the next few years they'll turn sharply right.

I think it adds quite a bit to the discussion. You’re talking about how terrible the UK and the west in general is and, while I have my own opinions on that, I understand that you’d like to live elsewhere. Fair enough. But what you’re really saying is ‘Sod this, I’m doing my best to live in a better country’. Well, what better country? Are there any better countries? Because they all have their problems different from but equivalent to here. Most of them also have terrible pasts and have inflicted harm on their own people and people from other countries and cultures. So how do you expect anyone to take your criticism of the UK seriously, and agree with you, when you’ll be jumping from one crap place to another crap place?

It’s not the west. It’s humanity. Humans are capable of terrible things. And to pretend otherwise, and talk like non western countries would be utopias if only the west had left them alone is the sort of black and white thinking I’d expect from someone much younger.

Really not at all. If people want to move to a non western country please do. If you also want to then great, I’m not here to dissuade.

I’m wondering why no one says where these better non western places are. Why is that part so hard?

You’re taking this thread into an irrelevant direction because you’re offended by the truth. No one is saying the west is a bad place to live. The point of this thread is the lasting damage being done by western nations across the globe that is rendering the homes of others unsafe. By the way that’s the reason why people want to live here. If you don’t want refugees then tell your government to stop having a hand in creating them.

I love the way you just make things up to support whatever point you are trying to make. I haven’t ever said “I can’t say”. I haven’t said I “despise the West”.

I can't work it out either. I was thinking maybe the Babylonians or the Assyrians?

I mean no one will care you’ve moved. I hope you do find where you are happier than living in the west.

But this ‘I can’t say’ by you and the op is telling. Why not? You despise the west but can’t even name an alternative country.

Don't worry, OP. Western progressive liberal democracies are on the decline and, if the trajectory isn't reversed, in a few decades we too could be just like Russia or Syria or Venezuela. Happy days are just around the corner.

And my goodness, it’s all very evident on this thread.

Don’t worry, when I saw this thread I knew the same old ‘mistakes of the past’ (because engineered starvation, slavery and corporate greed are just mistakes) ‘we gave you the railway and vaccines’ and my favourite one is ‘if it’s so bad why do you want to live here, go home’ was going to be hashed out.

Mumsnet has a certain demographic of a certain age group that are on their way out anyway. Thankfully the demographics of the West are gradually changing so views like this will be a thing of the past and people will own their history because that’s the only way to have a better future.

Take the Gaza issue for example, one of the single most decisive event of our current times and it has caused an entire generation to wake up and educate themselves. As I said in my previous post, everything leads back to the OG coloniser in the Gaza case start at Balfour and you will end up at today’s genocide.

This is a global problem.
We need more women in power before men destroy everything

If you don’t care, what are you still hectoring on about it?!

Have a look. It’s freely accessible.

I too am very intrigued to hear these places so much better than the West in terms of quakity of life.

Ill move there tomorrow!

@Elrae ,

What you would call ‘whataboutery’ or ‘distraction’, I would call context.

Globalisation, either deliberately or accidentally (I don’t think it was deliberate), caused vast wealth disparity and the welcoming of too many immigrants too fast, many with values very different from the west, caused resentment amongst those disenfranchised from society.

The ‘haves’ got cheap goods and servants, the ‘have nots’ lost their jobs or their bargaining capacity for a fair wage.

So, as ever in history, you got a reaction: Brexit in the U.K. and Trump in the U.S. They were always selling hot air but the promise sounded good.

As for global warming, it is a classic games theory problem where the equilibrium isn’t the most positive outcome for society.

What have you done personally to help with the issue? Everyone blames everyone else as we all maximise our own short term utility.

Each ‘side’ sees itself as moral.

The OP had gone a bit OTT, but I do believe the levels of morality, decency and tolerance have plummeted in the U.S A and U.K. over the last 10 years.

The U.S A. at the moment is undergoing a civil war, with a racist , insane, paedophile dictator as President supported by 10's of millions of the population , having gangs snatching people off the streets and chucking them in concentration camps. He's also sending troops into California and hates any state that didn't vote Republican.

Both countries are funding and supporting the genocide of the Palestinian people in Gaza. There is absolutely no justification for this. It is heartbreaking.

As for the U.K., well as a whole we have become a mean spirited, ignorant nation..Well England has at any rate. Supporting a racist, fraudulent chancer with millions of votes just because he shouts 'Stop The Boats' and appeals to fellow ignorant racists. He will be our next Prime Minister when Reform & Conservatives form a coalition..our own mini Trump.

Where are these better places? It’s ok people will forget you’ve moved there, no one will hold you to it or care tbf.

I think you and op can’t say for another reason. If you say which non western country is better it becomes less abstract and the reality of their actions becomes noticeable.

The we hate the west only really works when the alternative isn’t talked about or identified with an actual place name.

I think humans with power is the problem

and that is overwhelming men

Funny that innit.

Sorry so what are the other bar job several stipulations? Well and the TB and certain ilness free I mentioned?