To think The West is morally bankrupt

You are spouting things as if they were facts, and they aren't.

You are just coming across as a left wing wanker that has a bunch of talking points. Calling anyone that disagrees as middle class. As if that's an insult.

Ah, you're one of those 'we were colonisers so we are baaad people'.

Of course, some of that was bad, but there was so much more that was good.

Do you know that the British stopped the slave trade?

You’re just being silly now. You’ve either not read, or have misunderstood what people have said. Why do you think that none of us know our history? None of us think that our ancestors went round the world to say hello to all the different countries, had a cup of tea and then went on our merry way without upsetting anyone, ffs. If you used to think that the west were ‘the good guys’ then it’s clearly you who wasn’t aware of British history.

The reason people think you’re being ridiculous is that you’re singling the west out as an evil entity, responsible for all the ills in the world. Well we’re not. There are countries we colonised who are doing far better than we are. There are countries nobody colonised which are bloody terrible places to live. Your argument is short sighted.

I'm sorry I can't answer you on your schedule. So sad, never mind.

I will break it down into a few, easily digestible, points.

The Christian West that we live in is the most enlightened society that has ever lived. The one where individuals have the most free will. The one where you can have a job and live a life without being the property of a man.

The Muslim world (if you'd watched the video I linked to, it would have given you a lot of good historical context if you can't be bothered to do research) has been on a genocidal path since Mohammad died in the 600s. Europe has been a battleground between Christianity and Islam for the last 1500 years.

I personally would prefer to live in a Christian nation than one that thinks that I am half the worth of a man.

If you think that the west is morally bankrupt, maybe go try living in one of those non-western countries and see how you get on.

No, it seems that China emits the most carbon. We don't know about Russia as their numbers can't be trusted. They have this tendency of executing their head statisticians if the government doesn't like their results.

In Pakistan women are lucky if they get arrested after they get raped as that might save their lives. The new thing now is that if the men who commit a rape films the rape, the rapist can then blackmail his victim forever as she will get killed and nothing or very little will happen to him if the tape gets out. Smart, isn't it? He can make her sleep with him or anybody, get money and jewellery from her etc. A bit difficult to be more morally corrupt than that.

Who presumably live all across the USA...

Thank you for assuming I'm popular enough to have 75 million friends....joking aside.

How would you choose to solve the issues you brought up? I'm honest enough to hold my hands up and say I don't have the answers but I do at least understand that anger isn't the answer either

Perhaps an Iranian National Guard Bot?

@Elrae Please do not put words in my mouth or assume my political beliefs.

It's clear you haven't read my posts.

No one has a definitive answer to a better future but condemning 75 million people certainly isn't going to help.

By taking the stance that those people are bad and irredeemable you are ironically driving them further towards the things you dislike.

Ok so whereabouts do you live?

Are you in Gambia?

Oooo the monthly slag off the UK thread. Jolly good.

@Elrae you seem a little immature and formulaic. Are you for real? Or just bored? Your opinions are pretty sophomoric.

As for countries being immoral, wasn’t it Reinhold Niebuhr who argued that individuals can be moral, but nations cannot by their very nature? Moral Man and Immoral Society

Sure the UK and USA are not moral. Nor is any other country on earth. It’s a virtue you can ascribe to individual people, but not large groups.

That's incredibly sad. All your current way of thinking will do is continue the status quo or usher in and even worse future.

So are we all, thanks to the rapist in chief and his friends

Maybe go for a walk, get some fresh air.

Condemning 75 million people is morally bankrupt at best. They may have voted for someone you don't like but until you take a step back and try to understand why rather than resorting to anger you'll only push that number higher.

You think the whole of the US is full of disastrous people?

The UK has been one of the safest places to live for centuries - no predatory animals or plants for a start; no 'tribal lords' to kill us and religion hasn't been too important for most of us for quite some time. Even the climate is mild.

Due to this we are very tolerant and I don't blame anyone for wanting to come here. But then no one should blame any UK person, historically or now, for feeling a bit adventurous and wanting to seek warmer climes.

Every country has been 'colonialist' in their history, at least the UK gives some credence to this with the Commonwealth and the granting of certain rights to people that are part of it.

I'm as pissed off with things as anyone here is but am also so sick of hearing of 'historical' reasons of why I or anyone could be.

It's the here and now we deal with and just getting on with it is how the UK works. If anyone is looking to live differently to that needs to either be mighty rich or find some other country more suited to their 'values' to live in.